The History of the World According to the Ancient Vedic Scriptures

Originally posted by win 52
I think some of it is almost not possible for us to immagine. That doesn't mean there is no truth in those writings. It just means the stories are unbelievably complex for monkeys. If you see 21st century humans as being the most advanced humans have ever been on this planet, that may be where you are going wrong.

I believe you're correct.
Myths describe events that are almost impossible for us to comprehend yet there is at least a kernel of truth in them all. Making the mistake of accepting a preconceived idea that we are more advanced or somehow better than these ancient people drastically limits any understanding of our past. It is also a mistake to accept an idea that they were more advanced than we are today, lived 1,000+ years or any other time line for that matter. There is plenty of evidence proving their level of advancement so my point is to not accept anything on an assumption. The evidence is what it is and in my opinion a VERY interesting story of human history is unfolding in these myths and testaments.

Science is showing that we are in decline.

Don't go half way on this, once we find errors in scientific assertions then consider all of them suspect until you find evidence either way. Humans are not in decline, we are advancing physiologically.
I hope science is starting to learn how much we don't know and all of the mistakes we are making from our so called technical advancements.

Originally posted by Devino
I am interested in the statement, "This was for our own good". Can you elaborate on this or link a source with more info?

Due to my time limitations and the hinderance that is expected within the world or Dialup Conx, I offer this in respects to your query.

In Brief, I BELIEVE, mankind, in our current state, was REMADE in the image of God and the Angels sometime around 14000 - 20000 years ago. (I choose this timeframe, because I believe the stories the Aboriginies of Austrialia, and their Creation accounts. Their Oral history dates back to about 15000 Years ago or so).

This is the begining of the Second Earth Age, inwhich we currently are in.

We are awaiting the 3rd Earth Age, which brings the Millenium Kingdom.

It is the First Earth Age that is not very clear, but can be investigated, if you opt to do so.

One of the first problems unfortunately falls within the King James 1611 Bible itself. Although being the best bible to study from, it is riddled with "Errors" which have led to misunderstanding since it's creation in 1611.

One simple example is "Thou shall not Kill".

This was never a commandment.

The Commandment was "Thou shall not commit pre-meditated murder", or to "lying in wait".

Many are confused today about this but this is just 1 example I can offer.

Why can I say this is correct? What makes me special? Nothing!!!!

The only reason I can say this is because we can study the 1611 KJV and verify the translation with the Strong's Concordance.

Sorry if this seems out of context with the Vedic and the post, but I feel it doesn't really.

Our Bible, based on the 1611 translation is really poorly translated when the Genesis Account is considered.

The Basic premise in the Original Text was, "In the Begining, God created the Heavens and the Earth. AND IT BECAME A WASTE AND A DESOLATION.

This is not what the 1611 Bible says, nor what any bible since the KJV suggests, but this was the premise of the Original Text.

My Problem always was GOD, and Creation. Sorry, but the GOD I love, and the GOD who gave his son to die on a cross for my salvaltion, at no time has ever produced anything formless and void. Only once, in Genesis 1:2 does the KJV even suggest this.

Study of the Translation and the Original Text will offer the premise I noted above.

This is important, for two reasons.

1st, There was a first earth age, and I believe the expressed commentaries offer in this post reflect this from a culture which is outside of the "Christian" realm of review.

2nd, And we have all, ALL, lived in the First Earth Age. It was in a different form of life, but life none the less. Our Spirit/Soul has existed since In the Begining, and will do so for ever.

My rambling may not be helpful, but I have also reviewed the following link, and despite the sect which is offering the information, I do find they have gone to extreme lenghts to cover this matter completely.

If you have any further questions, I be happy to try and respond, or at least offer some material for you to review.

www.biblestudysite.com...

AND PLEASE.
EVERYONE READING THIS.

I really am not changing the topic, nor have I any interest in doing so. I was only suggesting that despite the Vedic having such information about the earth's history, I believe the Bible also speaks to this, although it is more in passing and breifly. Afterall, the Bible is specific to Jesus, and his ancestory from the Garden. This topic really doesn't belong in the Bible.

Ciao

Shane

reply to post by Shane

I followed your point and I feel the same on many of your comments. What I was referring to was the idea that we lost our memory and that it was "for our own good".

I also believe that the history of human civilizations dates back at least 20,000 years (much more actually) and that there are several Earth ages of man. Each of which had achieved a high level of advancement perhaps much higher than we are currently at. However I think we might be in the fifth age, according to the Maya, and the first four were destroyed. The fifth age of man is of those who "lost their memory" from whatever the cause and I don't think that this was "for our own good".

Maybe this was for our own good and I thought there might be some info on this. Subsequently 2012 is the end of the Maya calendar and the end of the fifth age of man, or so I think. Perhaps this is the end of the time of our lost memory and we will now begin to remember our past.

I would like to add that I find much unity in myth and religion and I am amazed by the correlations between these ancient myths, biblical testaments, gospels and other styles of ancient recordings. I believe that to deny these connections is to accept ignorance.

Whilst this thread is interesting it is interspersed with nonsense which throws the whole subject into question.

For instance: Many references to ancient buildings which even with our present knowledge could not be constructed today? C'mon people - really? Give me a single example.

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According to science....monkeys can't build cities.

Science has proven we are in a state of decline, and have been for thousands of years.

The garbage they try to ram down school children's throats, about our past, is just that.......garbage. The young people know it. Why do you think dropping out of school and absentee numbers are so high. The kids won't buy the crap they feed them.

So.... point your crooked finger, elsewhere.

reply to post by Devino


I also think we are at least equal to the ancients, for the most part. I feel we have the biological machine to house our soul, that is designed to live 1,000 + years. We just lost the knowledge of how to keep that machine working properly.

In reading some of the stories, it is plain that basic survival became the order of the day. It makes sense that we then went into a state of decline. I believe one of the catalysts are "thread worms", amongst others.

Please don't think I have just thrown this out here. I have been working on doing de-tox, over the past two years. Medical science said there was nothing they can do, except have me take pills for the rest of my life. I chose an alternate path. After shedding some "ugly buggers" over the past 2 years, I am spurred on to continue cleansing. It is on-going.

This came while reflecting on the reliefs at Denendera "the egyptian light bulb", they seem to be fitting. This led me to Dr Royal Rife's work. Now, I see parasites (pathogens) as the enemy.

Originally posted by win 52

According to science....monkeys can't build cities.

I'd like to read that paper.

Can I find it at Google Scholar, or did you just make that up like most of the stuff in every post you write?

Harte


[edit on 11/24/2009 by Harte]

Originally posted by vonspurter

For instance: Many references to ancient buildings which even with our present knowledge could not be constructed today? C'mon people - really? Give me a single example.

The Great Pyramid for starters

Scholars still don't know how it was done, given the means of the people of that time.

I'll put all my money on it that our best engineers today couldn't do it with out the use modern day equipment or the wheel.

Care to take that bet?

reply to post by PhotonEffect

This is a debate all its own but regardless of whether this can be proven true or false one question remains. For what reason where the Great Pyramids of Giza built?

There is no proof that they were tombs for the Pharaohs or anyone else for that matter. So it appears that we don't even know what these monuments were built for and this level of ignorance clearly shows the difference between these two cultures, the ancient Egyptians and ours.

So we can debate who built these structures, how and when but the why is almost never debated. The reason 'why' is the first thing to consider in any construction especially for the pyramids. With so much effort, time and cost that went into this endeavor there must have been a very good reason for it.

Originally posted by Devino
I would like to add that I find much unity in myth and religion and I am amazed by the correlations between these ancient myths, biblical testaments, gospels and other styles of ancient recordings. I believe that to deny these connections is to accept ignorance.

I agree with this 100%.

I am sorry people, but IT'S ALL RELATIVE.

It's just perspective that seperates one "Myth" from the other.

Back to the Vedic Tales, I was wondering if a TIME FRAME, was expressed?

What I mean is in respect to the events that led upto the mighty war which occured and caused the destuction to take place.

Was this some 12000 Years ago? 24000 Years ago? 120000 Years Ago?

I may have missed this, and I would appreicate assistance in respect to this.

Ciao

Shane

P.S. There are many places around this planet that modern man could never duplicate. Many such places are found in this hemisphere. Peru has some extremely interesting constructions which are just unbelievable in tolerances.

Also, we could never align a building as precise as the Great Pyramid is in respect to Astrological, Directional, and Symetrical placement, let alone just constructing it.

The real question becomes WHO built them?

Modern Man?

Not likely.

Originally posted by Shane

The real question becomes WHO built them?

Modern Man?

Not likely.

Why not?

As for the time frame for the Vedic scriptures, I've read differing accounts, but most range around the area of 12-10000 BC. You can read about the antiquity of the scriptures in Dr. B.G. Sidharth's book, titled " The Celestial Key To The Vedas".

www.amazon.com...

Originally posted by serbsta
Why not?

Well, Show me the last thing Modern Man has built that will be around in 2000 Years?

CN Tower? Sky Dome? Hoover Dam? Empire State Building?

Not Likely.

Reviewing some material, I thought I would offer the following for review.

It is the book Hindu Mythology, Vedic and Puranic by W.J. Wilkins
www.sacred-texts.com...

It offers some insight into who the Deities are and how they evolved into what they are.

As for the time frame for the Vedic scriptures, I've read differing accounts, but most range around the area of 12-10000 BC.

Thanks. That sort of places TIME within the span of the age of Leo, if I am not mistaken, and also within the period Donnelly, and more importantly, Solon is to have suggested Atlantis was around and/or being destroyed. I believe there is a similiar downfall found here as placed out there in the Vedic Scriptures.

And here's something that maybe of interest.

www.sacred-texts.com...

CHAPTER X. THE ARYAN COLONIES FROM ATLANTIS.
When we turn to that other branch of the great Aryan family, the Hindoos, we find that their gods are also the kings of Atlantis. The Hindoo god Varuna is conceded to be the Greek god Uranos, who was the founder of the royal family of Atlantis.

In the Veda we find a hymn to "King Varuna," in which occurs this passage:

"This earth, too, belongs to Varuna, the king, and this wide sky, with its ends far apart. The two seas are Varuna's loins; he is contained also in this drop of water."

Again in the Veda we find another hymn to King Varuna:

"He who knows the place of the birds that fly through the sky; who on the waters knows the ships. He, the upholder of order, who knows the twelve months with the offspring of each, and knows the month that is engendered afterward."

and

We have seen that Zeus, the king of Atlantis, whose tomb was shown at Crete, was transformed into the Greek god Zeus; and in like manner we find him reappearing among the Hindoos as Dyaus. He is called "Dyaus-pitar," or God the Father, as among the Greeks we have Zeus-pater," which became among the Romans "Jupiter."

The strongest connection, however, with the Atlantean system is shown in the case of the Hindoo god Deva-Nahusha.

We have seen in the chapter on Greek mythology that Dionysos was a son of Zeus and grandson of Poseidon, being thus identified with Atlantis. "When he arrived at manhood," said the Greeks, "he set out on a journey through all known countries, even into the remotest parts of India, instructing the people, as be proceeded, how to tend the vine, and how to practise many other arts of peace, besides teaching them the value of just and honorable dealings. He was praised everywhere as the greatest benefactor of mankind."

Hope these submissions offer some details generally overlooked and not directly spoken about.

IT'S ALL RELATIVE

Ciao

Shane

Originally posted by Shane

Originally posted by serbsta
Why not?

Well, Show me the last thing Modern Man has built that will be around in 2000 Years?

CN Tower? Sky Dome? Hoover Dam? Empire State Building?

Not Likely.

That's because today, things aren't built to last for millenia... unfortunately. Buildings are constructed for business and residential purposes in the most financially beneficial way and can later be rebuilt or repaired. For what reason would someone in today's world want to pay the money to quarry stone and erect a monument? For tourism? Please..

And yes it would fit into the Age of Leo (roughly 11000-8000BC), it would account for some of the catastrophic events as it was a period of intense solar activity and global warming.

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Originally posted by serbsta
That's because today, things aren't built to last for millenia... unfortunately. Buildings are constructed for business and residential purposes in the most financially beneficial way and can later be rebuilt or repaired. For what reason would someone in today's world want to pay the money to quarry stone and erect a monument? For tourism? Please..

I think you might be missing the point here Serbsta. The reasons you describe why buildings today do not stand up through time are the same reasons that prove we are not as advanced as the ancient builders were. There is much more to this idea than I could discuss here.
What has been the purpose of all of the modern day constructions?
Commercialism and war.
What was the purpose of ancient constructions? -This is what I think the real question is.
If we can understand what the purpose was/is for these ancient constructions then maybe we can then understand how to build them, who built them and when.

Originally posted by Devino

Originally posted by serbsta
That's because today, things aren't built to last for millenia... unfortunately. Buildings are constructed for business and residential purposes in the most financially beneficial way and can later be rebuilt or repaired. For what reason would someone in today's world want to pay the money to quarry stone and erect a monument? For tourism? Please..

I think you might be missing the point here Serbsta. The reasons you describe why buildings today do not stand up through time are the same reasons that prove we are not as advanced as the ancient builders were. There is much more to this idea than I could discuss here.
What has been the purpose of all of the modern day constructions?
Commercialism and war.

But see, you are answering your own question. The reason that current buildings don't stand the test of time is because they are not designed to. Now i am not saying that we could replicated the Great Pyramid through a stone quarry, but that is not the question here. With proper funding, a stone building could be erected as a monument.

You go onto ask the purpose of ancient mega-structures. Worship? A monument to a person/event/pharaoh? Why do these answers have to be such a taboo for supposed 'truth seekers'?

Originally posted by serbsta
But see, you are answering your own question.

I believe I was answering the questions of others.

The reason that current buildings don't stand the test of time is because they are not designed to.

Great costs are put forth to construct buildings so they will stand the test of time. I think that this point could be argued either way.

With proper funding, a stone building could be erected as a monument

I believe that we could build such monuments like the pyramids of Giza and other such megalithic structures found around the world but not without first understanding their purpose. The mere fact that we do not replicate such structures today is evidence that we do not understand their purpose and therefore cannot replicate them no matter how much funding is available. This is a kin to saying one can always quit drinking when ever they wish, they just don't wish it right now. I further believe that once such purpose is understood then there will be no obstacle that can stop these constructions.

I have read a little about the construction of these ancient megalithic structures and there is far more here than meets the eye and what we have been told. The precision of level and alignment to the Earth and the heavens as well as the geometry within tells a story of their own. Perhaps they can be viewed as a type of language that has recorded historical events. Whatever their purposes were tombs for dead kings is not one of them.

[edit on 11/29/2009 by Devino]

Originally posted by Devino
Great costs are put forth to construct buildings so they will stand the test of time. I think that this point could be argued either way.

I'm talking in comparison to stone quarried mega-structures such as the Great Pyramid.

Originally posted by Devino

I believe that we could build such monuments like the pyramids of Giza and other such megalithic structures found around the world but not without first understanding their purpose.

Why not?

Originally posted by Devino

The mere fact that we do not replicate such structures today is evidence that we do not understand their purpose and therefore cannot replicate them no matter how much funding is available.

The mere fact that we do not replicate such structures today is evidence that we have no use for them in the modern age.

Originally posted by Devino
I have read a little about the construction of these ancient megalithic structures and there is far more here than meets the eye and what we have been told. The precision of level and alignment to the Earth and the heavens as well as the geometry within tells a story of their own. Perhaps they can be viewed as a type of language that has recorded historical events. Whatever their purposes were tombs for dead kings is not one of them.

The ancients did have some knowledge of astronomy, and knowing for a fact that each civilization had a fascination with the stars as being the place where the 'gods' came from places the importance level on it. Why is it therefore so hard to understand the precision that was undertaken in the contruction and alignment of the monuments? Would the Catholic Church today decide to build a small, shabby little Church or would they construct something grandeur as it was a gratification to God?

Originally posted by serbsta

Originally posted by Devino
I believe that we could build such monuments like the pyramids of Giza and other such megalithic structures found around the world but not without first understanding their purpose.

Why not?

I can not think of any planned construction that was done without a known purpose but this is not what I mean.
The structure itself tells of its purpose and we have not figured it out and until then there is no reason to replicate it. When we are talking about the Great Pyramid of Giza, Khufu or Cheops then I fail to see how this can fall into the reason of religious servitude or pious contribution. Actually I don't see how the Giza pyramids compare with anything religious except for some of the very poor explanations for their purpose.


However I think we are arguing for the same point overall.

The mere fact that we do not replicate such structures today is evidence that we have no use for them in the modern age.

Agreed and good point.

The ancients did have some knowledge of astronomy

I also agree with this but I consider it to be an understatement. The ancients had a vast knowledge of astronomy and it is possible that it was superior to ours today, this is reflected in these ancient structures and I guess this is the bifurcation into archaeo-astronomy.

Originally posted by serbsta
The ancients did have some knowledge of astronomy, and knowing for a fact that each civilization had a fascination with the stars as being the place where the 'gods' came from places the importance level on it.

But I do believe THIS IS the Post Subject, in a manner.

What occured? The Destruction of a Previous Earth Age.

And who's knowledge was it?

It is clear "many" had such knowledge.

This verse would seem to furnish additional proof that the Vedas were written by a maritime people; and in the allusion to the twelve months we are reminded of the Peruvians, who also divided the year into twelve parts of thirty days each, and afterward added six days to complete the year. The Egyptians and Mexicans also had intercalary days for the same purpose.

And I had noted this before, but it bears repeating.

We have seen in the chapter on Greek mythology that Dionysos was a son of Zeus and grandson of Poseidon, being thus identified with Atlantis. "When he arrived at manhood," said the Greeks, "he set out on a journey through all known countries, even into the remotest parts of India, instructing the people, as be proceeded, how to tend the vine, and how to practise many other arts of peace, besides teaching them the value of just and honorable dealings. He was praised everywhere as the greatest benefactor of mankind." (Murray's "Mythology," p. 119.)

www.sacred-texts.com...

Who taught the Ancients? The gods.

Book of Enoch Chapter VIII.

And Azâzêl taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals 〈of the earth〉 and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all colouring tinctures.

And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways.

Semjâzâ taught enchantments, and root-cuttings,
Armârôs the resolving of enchantments,
Barâqîjâl,(taught) astrology,
Kôkabêl the constellations,
Ezêqêêl the knowledge of the clouds,
Araqiêl the signs of the earth,
Shamsiêl the signs of the sun, and
Sariêl the course of the moon.

And as men perished, they cried, and their cry went up to heaven . . .

www.sacred-texts.com...

This is an other example of WHO was teaching this "Knowledge" to MAN.

The gods. Pickem, it doesn't really matter. They are the same figures just with different congregations in various locals on Earth. Greece, Roman, Babylon, Egypt, Peru, India, ............................ (where to stop?).... Norway.

And they taught man this knowledge of the Stars.

Look at the Dogan of Africa. They knew and had rituals based on the Orbit of a Celestial Body which MODERN MAN had no idea about until the late 2000 Century. How? They where taught.

MAN is not stupid. We can learn. It's an ability we do have, but all must go to school to learn. Problem was our teachers.

Why is it therefore so hard to understand the precision that was undertaken in the contruction and alignment of the monuments?

Because of our devolution, the shortening of our lifespan, and the loss of these teachings since the Flood, we can not duplicate the precision, let alone fabricate the materials required.

We could of course cut stones, but nothing in the scope of size the Ancients did.

Would the Catholic Church today decide to build a small, shabby little Church or would they construct something grandeur as it was a gratification to God?

Oh, but this is slightly different. Of Course man today, can build beautiful structures and dedicate them to whomever they wish. The Church of course would do so for GOD, or one would expect them to anyways.

It is the PRECISION and SCALE that is beyond our abilities.

We could FORM the site, and Pour Concrete for years to duplicate say, The Great Pyramid. We would not be able to align the bulding with the Stars, the Planet, and geometrically on Earth, like the Great Pyramid, nor could we build it using the same materials. We lost that ability, and until the teachers/gods are set free, we are unlikely to again be able to do such things, in a timeframe that is "Timely"

[As an aside, the teachers maywell have been released, but have not yet strived to attain the posts they had in the days of the Ancients. But 3 1/2 years is not enough time, even for them.]

I hope this works in getting the thought across.

Ciao

Shane

P.S. I did note Greece and Rome above in being taught by the gods. In these cases, they had access to the recorded knowledge of the Ancients, since by then, the gods had been removed.

Originally posted by Devino
When we are talking about the Great Pyramid of Giza, Khufu or Cheops then I fail to see how this can fall into the reason of religious servitude or pious contribution. Actually I don't see how the Giza pyramids compare with anything religious except for some of the very poor explanations for their purpose.

It doesn't have to be religious servitude or pious contribution, but the purpose is still related. I'm sure you are aware of the two shafts leading from both the King's and Queen's chambers, they alone hold the most importance on the true purpose of the Great Pyramid. And if you look at it, it was more spiritual, than say, religious.

Originally posted by Shane

What occured? The Destruction of a Previous Earth Age.

Where is the proof of this? Let's not jump to conclusions no matter how obvious it may seem to you.

Originally posted by Shane

Look at the Dogan of Africa.

Yes, that is indeed an interesting case.

Originally posted by Shane
It is the PRECISION and SCALE that is beyond our abilities.

We could FORM the site, and Pour Concrete for years to duplicate say, The Great Pyramid. We would not be able to align the bulding with the Stars, the Planet, and geometrically on Earth, like the Great Pyramid, nor could we build it using the same materials.

Again i don't see how either precision, scale or alignment are out of our abilities. We have great knowledge of the heavens, your reasoning baffles me.