How can you be 'pro-life' and 'pro-war'

With all the uproar over the potential for state funded abortion, I was wondering where are all these 'pro-lifers' are with regards to the US state funded terrorism in Afghanistan and Iraq? What about the real Iraqi and Afghan children that US tax dollars are killing and injuring in the thousands? I think when God said 'thou shalt not kill' he also meant dont bomb the s@%t out of people. I for one am sick of the hypocrisy!

reply to post by washingtonsghost


yeah, its a bit like how in todays age do we be pro-democracy, and pro-freedom?

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Good question. Even better one is

How can you be pro-death penalty but pro-life?

How can you be anti-death penalty but pro-choice? This one really bugs me, so we're willing to kill something before its technically human, when its so innocent it can't fight back but once a human has been born and had a chance to murder someone God forbid we put that person to death. So the innocent are slaughtered and the killers just get life in prison. Wrap your brain around that one

Me, I think the government has no place in any of them. Only a primitive society has such low levels of sexual and moral responsibility that we need abortion and the death penalty. Sometimes I wish the human race would grow up and sometimes I wish Mother Earth had opted to abort us.

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Ive often wondered how some people could be for the death penalty but against abortion or for abortion but against the death penalty.

As you can see there is major hypocrisy on both sides of the issue.

Because they aren't "pro-life". They're "pro life" in the same way that the Democratic Republic of Congo is Democratic. It's a nice little name to call themselves.

The truth is, "pro-lifers" are more interested in restricting women. Many of them honestly see pregnancy as a punishment from god for an immoral lifestyle, and oppose abortion because it's "defying god's will" - they're nuts, in other words.

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
reply to post by washingtonsghost

 

Good question. Even better one is

How can you be pro-death penalty but pro-life?
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easy; one is innocent one has been convicted and sentenced

Originally posted by crw2006
Ive often wondered how some people could be for the death penalty but against abortion or for abortion but against the death penalty.

As you can see there is major hypocrisy on both sides of the issue.

Well, first, I have yet to meet anyone who's "for" abortion. Lots of people think it should be legal, but that's a different thing than being pro-abortion.

And there's nothing hypocritical about supporting legal abortion while being against the death penalty. A born human is an independent being, who has experience, hundreds of relationships, dreams, aspirations, talents, skills, and knowledge to share. An unborn foetus ha s none of that. You can replace the foetus easily, but the born person is irreplaceable.

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Hmmm or heres another theory instead of the bigoted one you posted.

Maybe they are pro life because they think that killing a defenseless unborn child , and robbing him at a chance of life is wrong.

Weird!

P.S to your other post, the corrupt criminal is easily replaced by a fetus that could grow up to be a productive member of society, OR he might not, one cannot tell, HOWEVER one thing is sure......the criminal ISNT

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personaly i am pro life, but i don't think i have the right to tell someone else what i believe is right for them.

as for pro-war, i am if there is a good enough reason based on worlwide facts as opposed to propaganda,offuscation and distortion... this war is not ours as a nation, if you look at the facts before and after and what have we accomplished through this war. (have they even defined what victory is? do they honestly believe they can achieve it? i know somewhere some old russian is laughing.)

I am pro-life .. but there are circumstances were the woman has the right to abort (rape, incest, fetus and/or mother in danger, etc..)

.. and i am a pacifist...

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
reply to post by TheWalkingFox

 

Hmmm or heres another theory instead of the bigoted one you posted.

Maybe they are pro life because they think that killing a defenseless unborn child , and robbing him at a chance of life is wrong.


[edit on 16-11-2009 by ManBehindTheMask]

You are missing the point. Why are the same people 'morally' against abortion, but in favor of war? Let's worry about the already born children, that are being killed and born with birth defects from our tax funded wars, then we can deal with the as yet, unborn. Have you ever seen what agent orange does to a human baby? I have. It's sick. Let's deal with saving living babies, then deal with the potentially living babies. You can't be pro-life and pro-war. It's impossible.

I've never understood any of this.

I am against death being caused. It will happen and we shouldn't hasten it's arrival. In all respects my political beliefs favor life above all else.
This is caused by my spiritual beliefs, and mixing the two is always hard. Does my political belief being based on my spiritual one make me a hypocrite? yes I'd say it does. I have to go with my conscious, and so I'm left to support life.

I can be pro life and pro war easily. You are mixing apples and oranges.

Every human has a right to exist. But every government does not have the right to impose it's will on any other government or try to seek to control its people.

War is sometimes necessary to stop one country from trying to do these things to another country. It is a sad unfortunate fact that people die in war. If I could fight a war and win, without loss of life I would in a heartbeat. The proper idea of war IMO is to do everything you can to stop the attacking country with as little loss of life as possible, And civilians should Never be targeted.

I think the USA dropped the ball on that one with the A-Bomb. I am not saying they shouldn't have used the bomb.. I disagree with their choices of targets.

I believe all modern wars should be fought with surgical tactical strikes and never use infantry. Infantry is just an excuse to let a bunch of men kill other men. I know sometimes you must use them to repel another infantry but I think they should be a last resort not the front line.. only after all surgical strikes are carried out.

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Will all the ladies please chime in ?

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War is an unfortunate undertaking, left up to the masses we could abandon it all together. However this is not the way of the world, and sometimes war is inevitable.

I served as many i know have, and we understand that unfortunately, sometimes you have to sacrifice the lives of a few, for the greater good and safety of the many. Does that account for ALL wars....no, as a civilization we have entered into many needless wars.

However sacrificing the life of a few, for the many, is NOT the same as sacrificing the life of a child, for the benefit of none.

I do understand that sometimes it is to the detriment of the life of the mother, because of complications, and even tho its sad, i can understand that.

Let me simplify, if you want to be pro-life, that's cool. But you cant be both pro-life and be pro-war. that is hypocritical. It doesn't make sense. So why don't people say "Don't use my tax dollars to kill Iraqi babies" with the same fervor that they say "don't use my tax dollars to fund abortion". I don't understand this, its illogical. I RESPECT ALL LIFE!

I don't believe we have the right to kill any creation unless it's in total self defense. That includes abortion, war, and the death penalty. Nevertheless, the lines get blurry for me at certain points. For example, what about women who are raped? I believe the baby/fetus should have a chance at life, but should the woman have the baby regardless? Should we really go to war and kill? Have all of our resources been used for peace? Shouldn't we focus on building our country up, and fixing our problems at home? Shouldn't we be a beacon of peace to the world and only use war as a very last ditch effort to protect our well being? What about the poor and oppressed? Do we have a responsibility to help our fellow man/woman, and should that be a driving force instead of what we have now? Do we really have the right to put someone to death? Personally, I believe we have the right to take them out of society, and lock them up for life to protect our people, but do we have the right to just take their life? As terrible as some crimes are, and as much as it hurts the victims loved ones, does two wrongs make a right? Pursue the convicted, lock them up, make them earn their keep, make them earn any special privileges, etc. Finally, what about bugs? Seriously. I have to even question this. If I find a spider in my home, do I just kill it because it's in the way and bothers me, or do I catch it and put it outside? So confusing really, but if I'm going to claim I believe in not killing unless totally necessary, I've got to ask myself all of those questions from top to bottom.

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There in lies the problem tho, its not logic that youre thinking with, its a bias.

You believe that were over there killing babies, which isnt true, sure bad things happen, but were not over there doing that. We have saved many lives, however misguided things seem to be now.

You cannot draw a comparison between war and abortion and understand the difference when such a hard line bias. Let us think with logic, lest our knee jerk emotional responses lead us a stray....

no offense intended if i did.

How can I be pro life?
I am if its mine!

How can I be pro oil? ....er I mean pro war?
I'll count my money and let you know.

Thought the mood may need lightening a bit!
Good posts! Thanks!
Stars and a flag!
(I wonder about stuff like this too)




[edit on 16-11-2009 by dodadoom]

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Are you going to respect life so much that you let another person or country come over to you and have their way with you?

If you and your family was about to be killed by a madman with a butcher knife and all you had was a shotgun are you telling me you would sit there and let this madman kill you and your family - if so, you sure won't be respecting your families life.

It's the same with governments.