Squadron Of UFOs ! awesome video 2009 USA

Originally posted by Silicis n Volvo
just another unclear UFO vid to me...once again it happens in america and nowhere else...and once again all you see are unclear dots that could be anything. nothing out of the ordinary

Where did you get the idea that UFO's only happen in America??? Seriously, on what planet did you hear this little fallacy??? That is honestly the most poor argument I have EVER heard, short of the flashlight theory.

WOW!!! UFO's are a world-wide phenomenon. Are you pissed because it happened in America and not ANTARCTICA??? Should it have happened in France for it to have more credence??? Whew...The logic that some people come to the table with.

reply to post by and14263


Um...evidently you didn't watch the video well enough. They didn't all come from the same location or source.

Try it once more.

reply to post by Brainiac


My dogs don't bark every time that I get excited. Do yours??? That would be alot of barking. I mean, seriously...If my dogs barked every time that my voice raised, or my heart rate increased, they wouldn't have much of a bark left...WOULD THEY???

I could throw in tons of insults, kind've like your post...but, you might not be intelligent enough to understand them.

So...welcome to your opinion. Unoriginal, not very well thought out, but, it certainly reflects the mainstream. Very revolutionary on your behalf!!!

Originally posted by thesaint
If aliens ever do decide to show themselves this is exactly the kind of reaction i hope humans will give them. I half expected people to be shooting into the sky but no!!!!!!

Anyway i personally believe them to be lanterns. Last week in the UK was bonfire night where everyone sets off fireworks etc. I saw 25+ of these lanterns through the night and they looked very similar

Regardless it is still a cool video anyway

Some of them are flashing.

Do Chinese lanterns sometimes flash?

-rrr

Cool video. Incidentally while looking up the location you find that Dundee is (self-styled?) UFO Capital of the world. I had never even heard of this place but apparently it's chock full of sightings and action.

reply to post by Karrotz


Ahem...well, sorry if you felt offended. However, it seems to be the same old story with all of the debunking and it also seems that the debunkers all seem to read the same manual.

First and foremost, the first tactic of a debunker is to cleverly put in their OPINIONS by insulting those who may have beliefs that are not their own. They use sarcasm and tout the same explanations over and over as a means to demean those who fall in the "believers" category. If you don't believe me, maybe you should go back and read any thread posted in the forum of UFO's.

Then when they encounter someone of equal or greater intelligence than themselves who can spin that same sarcasm against them, they scream "Ad Hom" and run to their mommies (I tend to call them mods) so they can get the support that they feel that they deserve.

Regardless, if you don't like my responses to the sarcasm that is spewed on these forums constantly, then maybe you should approach fellow "debunkers" and tell them that there is a more constructive way of showing their opinions other than insults and a stream of lol's. Most people hate it when what they have done to others, is in turn, done back to them. Its only when people are on the "giving" end of the equation that it is okay. As soon as they are on the receiving end, that is when an injustice has been perpetrated. Since you made no attacks, I apologize for my post to you. However, it is quite easy for me to group all of you in the same category. Many of you call names and love to use the word "hoaxer," which is nothing short of calling someone a liar. Many of you create what you believe is a plausible explanation and use this to down the opinions of others who look beyond that supposed "plausibility." Some of you will come up with the most ridiculous ideas like, "Flashlights" in order to insult the intelligences of those who believe, and others straight up start the posts with direct insults so that it reflects a false sense of security and superiority in themselves.

So...there is my explanation.

I do not believe this video to be a hoax of any kind. I have had friends who filmed genuine and similar activity in the sky only to be ridiculed by the likes of small minded individuals who have nothing better going for them in their lives than to attack someone for what they filmed. These people are looking for genuine explanations for their experiences, while on the sidelines, little children who are determined to keep their worlds small and compact throw insult after insult to shut them up. Its the same old and tired story.



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I find the second light to be the most un-lantern like. It is strobing very brightly, much brighter than I would think a flame would do. It's also very constant, as if in a pattern, not just random flickering (intermittent).

It is also stationary during the flashes, then it moves much quicker than I would think a lantern would go. Keep in mind that the lanterns are moving by virtue of the current air, and the same air would cause the flickering flame. So... it's flickering wildly, which would indicate a whole bunch of activity (wind-wise), and yet, it's not moving at all. Then the flickering calms, and it moves quickly from left to right, not rising.

It certainly did not react in a manner I would expect a balloon to, which essentially is what your lantern is.

It reminds me of the test the ufo hunters did. Those released lanterns did nothing like that second light. Did not look the same, did not react the same.

Do you think you could replicate that second light with a Chinese lantern? I doubt you could.

While I would not proclaim it alien in nature without more research, I also would be very hesitant to call it a lantern. That has become the fast and easy excuse when CGI can't be used to bebunk something.

Originally posted by Solomons
reply to post by Mr Mask

 

They don't *have* to be alien in origin...i'd say all good,well documented ufo footage is terrestrial in origin. In any case, i'd say this video is either an unintentional hoax or intentional. I just don't get a genuine vibe to it...not very scientific but the best i can do. Not convincing to say the least.

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Yet, your reaction is precisely because you don't believe. Does an 'alien' have to eat your face off to get a different reaction from you?

As one POSSIBLE interstellar traveler said, "Either you believe or you don't." Nothing will ever change your mind. Literally you could see a ship five miles up and 100 miles across in broad daylight and you would walk away.

You have no proof of a hoax, except a belief in the stupidity of mankind. You will have to do better. Period.

reply to post by GideonHM


That was an excellent post. Great delivery and well thought out. I'm glad that others are trying to logically break down the constant debunking tactics that are rampant on ATS. It was a pleasure to read your post. Keep it up.

Originally posted by rickyrrr

Originally posted by thesaint
If aliens ever do decide to show themselves this is exactly the kind of reaction i hope humans will give them. I half expected people to be shooting into the sky but no!!!!!!

Anyway i personally believe them to be lanterns. Last week in the UK was bonfire night where everyone sets off fireworks etc. I saw 25+ of these lanterns through the night and they looked very similar

Regardless it is still a cool video anyway

Some of them are flashing.

Do Chinese lanterns sometimes flash?

-rrr

When they're burning out, or catching on fire, then yes, they'll start to flash.

It seems to me that these are lanterns. Every time you see one flash, it goes out. Also, I didn't see any uniform formation, or any kind of crazy maneuvers. They just seemed to be blowing in the wind, and flashing when some caught on fire and burned out.

reply to post by EvolvedMinistry


These self proclaimed skeptics just use the term they hear in order to decry their opponents perspectives.

We have every right to our opinion and you have no right to yours as it is obviously stupid for bothering, yet we aren't stupid for wasting our time to begin with by telling you how stupid this Chinese lantern is.

I bet the reaction of "IT'S A LANTERN, STUPID" has gotten to the programming point for the drones on ATS. Some may be plants, others are typically the enslaved who think that it is logical to believe that everyone from before the 1800's were all delusional and stupid.

If it were possible to leave society as it is for another 20 years, these same people would truly defend the cheap, poisoned products made overseas by enslaved children as just being a part of life. You must be stupid to not want what our government tells you to buy and do. Tell the police!

This attitude of non belief in ANYTHING is destroying our species. All you can get is a snideful scoff and nothing much else.

reply to post by Brainiac


Mass stupidity? Thanks for your 5$ psychological approach and blatant over estimation of your own intellectual capacity. When people look down on others like you do and proceed to display an absolute spectacle of ignorance, I cannot resist poking at that inflated ego with a few sucker punches.

Very well timed firework? Need I say more? And you call people stupid?

This can, and might well be, a Hoax or a misunderstanding of a natural or artificial phenomena. But discarding this with such weak arguments is shameful.

"Now I'm a skeptic, which is the healtheist frame of mind to be in, i do believe there is life elsewhere in the Universe, since we are HERE, this is proof that it is possible.

I'm also aware of how rare life seems to be in regards to the rest of the Solar system, and the Universe. "

Now, I'm not going to do an estimate on your mental maturity. But you say you are a skeptic.... and at the same time say you believe there is life elsewhere in the universe? How can a Skeptic make such a comment?

I'm a skeptic, but I know THIS for SURE!

Bravo.

"The last thing I'd like to add, that i always say is that if we indeed were being visited by Aliens from another world, we would know about it. There would be no "just out of reach " mysteries to solve or light phenomen riddles to try to piece together.

WE WOULD KNOW. "

More butter on that ignorance? Ketchup maybe? Do you want me to list a number of things that were hidden from the population and ARE KNOWN TODAY? How mentally lazy must you be to think that the people know about everything?

You are a perfect 1984 candidate. Keep it up.





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reply to post by Prolixite


That's what I'm saying!

Exactly dead on.

No skeptic here I know they are lantern by the way the acted and you can buy them in 3 packs. Like I said before go buy some lanterns and try it yourself. Just keep out of northwest Indiana thats where I'm having my fun.

First 2 minutes I was surprised; but after a second thought and sinking of the objects and clapping by the crowd, I could not help but to laugh at such appalling set up.

It's at night -- could be anything. Why do people see a lights in the sky and immediately think "OOH, a UFO!"??

Enough with the nighttime lights already. There is NO WAY you can identify anything at night.

reply to post by Mr Mask


Nice post Mr Mask.

Totally agree with you.

If they 'look' like lanterns, move very slowly and low, don't perform any fancy or very fast movements, do not have noise etc. then, yes, the likely culprits are probably going to be lanterns of some sort.

Where i really agree though is with your assertion that you don't know what they are or are not, only what you think they are.

Spot on for being honest, and a star.

Although we have no way to prove that this is a legit UFO siting or not, it still is nonetheless interesting. I don't think it is a video of Chinese lanterns or anything like them. The objects recorded seem to flicker and such, yes I agree, but that doesn't mean they are lanterns or a light being blown by wind. I would like to see other peoples footage of this same event, since I saw in the video others with video cameras (I distinctly saw one person walk by with a camera in their hand on their shoulder), which may help us see what was really in the sky that night.

What I would like to know though is, is where is the footage from the people who had these UFO's overhead of them (since they had to be above someplace directly), or at least footage from people who had them at a closer distance than those people in this video. Unless they were directly above some farm land of some sort, there should be videos documenting the UFO's at a better distance than what we are seeing in the video in this thread.

This goes in my YouTube standard UFO area. Because there is not enough to confirm any particular source for the lights we can't know for sure if it is anything with any data. This is worthy of a UFO classification for obvious reasons though.

One thing observed in the most convincing UFO videos are the non-uniform variability of the lights. Lanterns have no such ability, and even if augmented with lights could not carry an energy source sufficient for such bright lights or a variable brightness, dimmer control circuit unless miniaturized and energy beamed with microwave. Not as likely as an alien really.

The weight a lantern or such can carry is negligible. A few grams and a larger balloon a few ounces, but power and lamps for such are heavy and not really feasible.

Like I mentioned, what convinces me this is at least not conventional, and lends to an unknown status is the particular type of variability in the strobes.

For a truly anomalous rating I would want to see a report, MUFON or otherwise, for location, time, number of people and statements from each. Until that time we only have a video with lights that do not conform to conventional explanation.

And, please, no more Chinese lantern excuses. Anyone who looks at these type of phenomena can class those types of conventional objects as likely. This however does not have the visual indications of such.

I especially appreciate the reactions of the people. Hard to fake that. Possible, yes. Likely? No.

ZG

Although I can't say for 100% sure, as I have NO IDEA what real UFO's look like, I'm thinking lanterns...unfortunately.

I believe the most if not all crowd viewing/recording this event has no idea they are looking at Lanterns, hence the "genuine" reactions of most of them.

Yes lanterns can appear to stop. This I would think... occurs when they are slowly(well unless theres a strong wind they always move slowly)moving directly AWAY from you. That gives the appearance of a stationary object.

Yes lanterns can drop, and go back and forth VERY slowly somewhat: This happens when they are following low air/wind currents.

They also can flicker/flash. This I'd imagine, although I'm not sure might occur when it's raining? (yes laterns can fly in the rain, but they tend to stay low and slow) like the ones in this video. Again though the flashing may be atrributed to something else (read ahead).

And the perverbial nail in the coffin as said by the cameraman himself. "Look how they are all just burning out one by one.

My verdict: A Crowd of unsuspecting people filming 5 Lanterns.

IF these were real UFO's I'd think we'd see more manuevering then just a light following the air currents then burning out. What happens to the crew? and how small is the crew? Seeing as these objects don't appear to be very big at all, by the Camera man and his friend, and the distance they gave, I'd guestimate these aren't big enough to fit a human inside.

If they did some real manuevers, like sudden bursts of speed, and changes in direction, stopping on a dime ect, then I'd throw the latern theory out. But these balls of light don't even do anything special.

Other than the flashing, which might be accounted for by the rain, or even a remote strobe. I mean if you were directly under those say in a football field hoaxing this, these objects never seem to get about 100-200 feet.

We all know about what can be done with RC craft and LED's.

But I think the flashing is just due to the heavy rain, makeing the lantern candle flicker. Perhaps not

Sure anything is possible. It's possible real Alien behave exactly like lanterns for the most part, and a small percentage of these videos (maybe this one) are the real deal. I can't say these are 100% laterns, but most of the evidence seems to fit.

I'd just think First contact would be more like Independance Day, or like the New "V" series. Is anyone watching that btw? Amazing series. I highly reccomend watching it! (not to derail the thread).

Ok back to the orbs/UFO's/laterns, or whatever these might be.

I'd peg these as lanterns and not even had posted if it weren't for the strobe like flashing. This is something that someone would have to take some time to rig up. I'm not so sure rain could cause a strobe effect like that