Ultimate evidence on NASA faking Moon landings (VIDEO)

Here is another example on what seem to be air bubbles rising up apparently from underwater. This is from the Chinese space mission, and points out some other things as well suggesting that the footage was faked:


The following video goes into further details on how the Chinese space mission was faked:


To me it does look suspicious and there are some valid points put forth, showing how space missions can be faked using underwater hoaxing.

There is no way in heck those could possibly be filmed under water IX. I think we can put this to rest now.

**edit** never mind i figured out how to use the youtube function on the post. I guess maybe i didn't figure it out. Here is the link. If anyone can U2U me and tell me how to find a video number i would appreciate it.
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Actually I did check the official underwater training videos before posting the other ones, and i found them very similar. The main difference is the lack of bubbles which one see in standard diving videos, this could be due to using a system that does not intentionally let the bubbles out into the water but rather sucks it back in perhaps through a hose as seen in many of the videos from space. This seem to be what they do in the video you presented as well, as the bubbles there mainly comes from the diver swimming around the astronaut.

In fact, the video you just showed me rather seem to give more credits to the possibility of faking the space videos underwater in a similar way, than taking away such possibility. The similarites are very strong, and just changing the surrounding some, having a larger tank, and putting up some space like scenery would make it look quite like being in space - and the addition of video effects and computer technology would easily improve such fakes to look more real.

Also, there were several other issues addressed in the above videos than just the air bubbles, did you check the videos?

PS: To embed a video, you have to copy the code following the "watch?v=" part of the URL to the video (direct url, copy from the right information box in the original youtube page so you dont get a url with additional info after the "watch?v=" part. As an example, to embed your video, you would take the url www.youtube.com/watch?v=514x069FWvo , and copy the "514x069FWvo" part and paste it into the Youtube VIDEO button dialog here in ATS.

-Maggador

[edit on 20-11-2009 by IX-777]

I can't say I believe in the hoax. But I can't say it is totally convincing either..

Originally posted by IX-777
Actually I did check the official underwater training videos before posting the other ones, and i found them very similar. The main difference is the lack of bubbles which one see in standard diving videos, this could be due to using a system that does not intentionally let the bubbles out into the water but rather sucks it back in perhaps through a hose as seen in many of the videos from space. This seem to be what they do in the video you presented as well, as the bubbles there mainly comes from the diver swimming around the astronaut.

In fact, the video you just showed me rather seem to give more credits to the possibility of faking the space videos underwater in a similar way, than taking away such possibility. The similarites are very strong, and just changing the surrounding some, having a larger tank, and putting up some space like scenery would make it look quite like being in space - and the addition of video effects and computer technology would easily improve such fakes to look more real.

Also, there were several other issues addressed in the above videos than just the air bubbles, did you check the videos?

PS: To embed a video, you have to copy the code following the "watch?v=" part of the URL to the video (direct url, copy from the right information box in the original youtube page so you dont get a url with additional info after the "watch?v=" part. As an example, to embed your video, you would take the url www.youtube.com/watch?v=514x069FWvo , and copy the "514x069FWvo" part and paste it into the Youtube VIDEO button dialog here in ATS.

-Maggador

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IX-777 your logic is flawed to a point of no return. A phenomenon which looks like a spec of dust, and being suggested by a youtube video, to be a bubble of air in water, is making you seriously question tons and tons of HARD evidence. You are taking it to such an extreme that the goddamn spec of dust(whatever) has got you seriously considering the possibility of a conspiracy that involves all space nations. As if all this space travel is nothing but a fraud.

I can see how John Doe who completed 10 years of space training finally gets an assignment of going into space :"YEAH! Finally i am going to live my dream of exploring space!" NASA: "No actually you're going to jump in this pool of water and you're gonna shut up about it!".

Next you're going to tell me the ISS which we can see with the naked eye is made of cardboard paper.

Dude you're so open to suggestion and affected by it that i'm thinking you've been hitting the wacko tobacco too hard. Lay off. Noone is trying to trick you, only those damn videos which are made by people out to sell a lame book about their lame theories.

JustAThought:

I have been studying and practising Hypnotherapy for almost a decade so I know my share about mind control, brainwashing, and in fact my own involvement with this is what has helped me see things in a broader perspective and realize how much we are influenced by these things every day in our lives, so no I have to disagree about me being very open for suggestions.

Indeed I could go on and say the very same to you, you are so open for suggestions that you blindly follow what you are served by your governments, media and so on. Personally I am skeptical and if I see something that seems odd I prefer to check it out and get it explained properly to rather than just ignore it and maintain to a belief. This goes both ways mind you, I do not automatically accept all "moon hoax evidence" as credible or even plausible, I question these things to see if there are any logical explanations to things I personally find illogical. Is that not a proper way to research something, then I do not know what is.

In fact I have never stated that people never have been in space, or on the Moon, quite on the contrary. The coverup I am discussing here have to do with completely different reasons.

Also, did you even bother to actually take a look at the videos above? How do you explain those things, such as the bubbles - that you seem to think is some kind of dust, yet it flies up and around on its own - what propelled it to move around like that? Why does it behave like bubbles, expanding and floating up? And why do the writing and symbols etc on the space shuttle and rocket change, as if different models are being used? Also, what about the background issues raised regarding the Earth and its position, and the clouds etc, and so on? I am referring to the two videos I posted on top of this very page.

Best regards,
Maggador

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Maggador, ..

all i can say is your my new Apollo/NASA hoax hero, along with the the other here that have been on the tireless end of debunking what is normally called..

'moon missions' .. yea right.. Capricorn 1 gvid

wouldn't work so i link the entire url..

enjoy.. and yea.. pretty absurd .. isn't ..

as for the 'dust' flying 'around'.. hmmm...... right.. it's a bubble guys ..

www.howstuffworks.com...

thx Maggador~!! do Not stop the logic ~!!

Thanks for the comment and for the Capricorn One link. I have been wanting to see this one for a while, never got to do it before but it seems to be a movie worth watching.

I will help you embed it as a video that can be played off here:

Google Video Link

CLICK HERE FOR FULL-SCREEN VIDEO

Here is plot information from IMDB.com:

"The mission was a sham. The murders were real. A NASA Mars mission won't work, and its funding is endangered, so they decide to fake it just this once. But then they have to keep the secret..."

I notice a remake of the movie seem to be coming out next year as well.

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I'm confused. This thread started out being "ultimate" proof of "faked" Moon landings. (BTW, that assumption has been shown to be incorrect).

But now the discussion has expanded to the ISS??? And, its credibility is called into question as well???

How do you explain those things, such as the bubbles - that you seem to think is some kind of dust, yet it flies up and around on its own - what propelled it to move around like that?

You seem to be, in that quote, referring to the video of an STS mission EVA, correct?

Problem is, in space, there is no "up". Oh, I guess on orbit you could arbitrarily define it as any line that connects the object (like the ISS) and the Earth's center, but since the spacecraft in orbit are constantly moving, this is purely relative. In other words, from the POV of the orbiting platform (whatever it is) "down" would be directly toward the Earth's center. Again, this is actually irrelevant, in orbital mechanics calculations, and for navigating and orientation purposes.

Also, any particular camera shooting the video can be oriented in a total spherical 360-degree position...any appearance of the "bubble" moving "up" is pure coincidence. I would venture that the person who posted that particular YT video spent HOURS searching for just that one instance, ignoring anything else that showed particles of debris moving through the camera's view in other directions.

Why does it behave like bubbles, expanding and floating up?

Well, again...I've explained that it is NOT a bubble, not in the vacuum of space. I saw no 'expansion'...what I saw was something very close to the lens, out of focus because of its proximity. It would be like you, videoing something in the distance, and a small insect flew in fromnt of your camera, very close. It would appear to move unusually faster than normal, and because of being out of focus, appear disproportionately large.
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adding here, because I was referring, initialy, to other videos calling into question the STS mission to the ISS...but I see NOW we're on to the Chinses mission anomalies.

This is making me further confused...

The thread title is accusing NASA of 'fakery'...AFAIK the Chinses don't answer to NASA.

However....this has been spotted before, and in the Chinese video; yes that does resemble a bubble that leaked from the suit...implying that the CHINESE, not NASA, decided to fake their accomplishment.

I could find that very plausible.

And why do the writing and symbols etc on the space shuttle and rocket change, as if different models are being used?

Here, there is a mistake, conflating two different things. You said the "Space Shuttle", but you refer to the videos "at the very top of this page". Those videos are discussing odd things seen in the Chinese
video footage.

Please provide documentation of American Space Shuttle "writing and symbols" changing.

Back to the Chinese...while i consider it plausible that they may have faked this manned launch and EVA video, you can be darned sure that NASA knows it, if true.

However, although, if that IS the case, and the people at NASA are chuckling behind their hands, it would be very, very politically incorrect to embarass the Chinese by revealing their secret, wouldn't it?

Not to be off topic, but although we may disagree with China's politics, in the larger view they are vital to our economy. Let' em have their little "day in the sun"...their propoganda moment. IF they had to 'fake' it, makes the USA more secure knowing that China is not that much of a competitor in space, yet. (Although, I expect they will be soon...)





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Interesting that you find it plausible that the Chinese faked their mission while NASA did not, even though the similarities are striking regarding the possible underwater footage. This goes for ISS too, and this one seem more like a real bubble similar to the Chinese one as it expands and floats up.

Regarding camera angles etc, obviously they could turn the cameras in any direction they wanted, regardless of them actually being in space or a water tank. So possible bubbles floating any other direction than "up" would not matter here at all, as they certainly would be expected to turn the camera at different angles to fake various aspects of their footage in the first place.

The reason I pulled in ISS and China is simply due to the fact that they seem to have been orchestrated in the very same way, if all these videos really show underwater footage, indicating that there may be even more to the story than I originally realized, perhaps a more global coverup than simply a US / NASA one.

If that would be the case, the question would be why they cover it up, and what are they really doing, is it because of what is "out there" that they do not want us to see, or because they have problems actually getting out there at all?

You believe the US managed to get people out there, and all the way up to the Moon and back and so on, yet you doubt the Chinese can manage to even get their people up in space now 40 years after - kind of odd that it should be so hard for them but not for NASA. Also, the whole fact that no one else ever got to the Moon is itself rather suspicious in the whole Space Adventures subject worldwide. Half a century later and not one single nation managed to get any person up to the Moon, not even the US whom allegedly managed it back then.

I do feel these last couple videos are quite on topic - and even makes the whole thing fall into better perspectives at it seems to me now that it is not only NASA faking their space missions, but other countries as well, something I was not aware of initially when I started this thread but obviously such a discovery is more than worth including. If what we see in both the China and the ISS video is air bubbles under water in faked footage, then it certainly is reason enough to assume that it is quite plausible that those NASA videos 40 years ago also showed similar air bubbles in water and were faked in the same way.

And in the same way people keep claiming Russia would have "told" if the US faked the missions - why are no one telling anything about the Chinese faking THEIR missions now, when we have even better technology to monitor eachother and what we are doing in space? So, if they faked it, it does indicate a global conspiracy here rather than jus a local one by NASA / USA.

Unfortunately I can not change the title of the thread to something that would be more suitable by now, such as "Evidence for global faked space missions" or so.

EDIT: I noticed you somewhat addressed why no one have told about China faking their mission, assuming they did. Perhaps the reason NASA do NOT tell is because they would be told back at from the Chinese, assuming they too faked their missions. And if there is a global conspiracy going on with the space programs, that could explain things even further.

-Maggador

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I didn't see the guy picking up something on the NASA video site. On the Youtube site you can clearly see a white "halo" around the guy on the right. It looks like bad video embedding to me, i.e. faked. It's kind of funny to think fakers calling NASA fakers, but maybe they just don't have real evidence. Getting to the moon isn't that hard, it's mid 20th century technology starting with the V2. We haven't gone back because the US doesn't have a good reason, yet, to send men to a barren rock. Even the idea of a space telescope on the darkside doesn't make sense anymore because we can put a space telescope in a Lagrange point and still get the same results at much lower cost.

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This site sucks or I am stupid, took forever to find back this tread after login.

If anyone finds the whole unedited clip of this I be gratefull (it was on youtube but offcource removed by now.. :/)



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Just skip to 1.15 in the timeline!

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From a friend who worked in media back then. Many factors involved in critical footage. Government concerns for giving away information that might be useful to their competition. In some cases concern for sabotage acts of terrorism.

Also many times footage is run through for corrections, clean-ups, enhancements. Sometimes at source, sometimes by broadcasters.

Things like apparent bubbles can often be accounted for by dirt on film, seeming to move tiny gaps in successive video fields, etc.

I'm not up on the jargon, but these things are known to professionals.

The notion of the Chines shooting underwater seems foolish. Why introduce a compromising element when they can just slow down footage, CGI in and out what they want, rehearse actors.

In a few cases admittedly something might be faked because there are no usable moving images.

There are changes and embellishments when stuff is released to the public for PR purposes. But it doesn't mean the actual event were completely faked.


M

may have faked the first one, but I really believe we been to further places than the moon

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Sibrel was very selective with the portions of the actual video which he decided to present, avoiding the ones that demonstrate that the video does indeed show the Earth seen through the window of the CM.

This website shows captures from the footage which Sibrel chose not to show. It also shows that weather patterns on still photographs taken with a Hasselblad match those in the video.
lokishammer.dragon-rider.org...

Here is the footage in question

Originally posted by IX-777
AntiNWO: I guess you must not have paid much attention when looking at videos from the Moon then, or not seen very many. Dust and dirt being kicked around is seen constantly all the time.

Here is one example

Here is another examples, with some extra footage showing how the moon hoax most likely was staged:

Wrong. DIRT is being kicked around, not dust. Dust hangs in the air. Moon dirt doesn't. Show me a video that has dust hanging in the air for several seconds at 2X then I'll be impressed.

Originally posted by PsykoOps

Originally posted by Komodo
LMAO~!! I'd like to know who was dong the zooming with the camera since there were only 2 a-naunts up there .. DOH~!!

What remote tech did we have at that time since remote control was only seriously free of issues by the Y2k !!! LOL..

Omg lol you're right, you've found the definite proof!!! Hey did you know that they have a liftoff sequence on tape when they blast off the moon and the camera pans upwards to follow them? OMG lol lmao they left one guy behind to film it or they did it in studio.

This is just amazing. All you people proved is the ignorance of the "moon hoax" nuts. They had one camera mounted on the Lunar Rover which was remote controlled from NASA!

I remember every one of those landings because I watched them LIVE, and believe me when I tell you, watching beginning to end, unedited, with commentary from science editors and engineers, I got the answers to every one of these rediculous arguments presented in every one of these stupid vids. That's why the posters of these vids have blocked me.

Originally posted by IX-777
I dont know about the cameras controled remotely as I have not looked much into the function of this remote control device. But, if it is true that only around 3 seconds are needed for signals to be sent from Earth and reach the Moon then it is possible at least so I can not say this is much of an evidence for anything. Also, as far I know there was a guy left in the space module itself waiting for the astronauts to get back, I assume he had some things to take care of from there as well which could have been such things as controlling the cameras from close orbit.

But, I have seen myself videos where the communication is instantly received, which should not be possible as it should be 3 seconds delay, yet they do in many places communicate with Houston and instantly answer eachother like on being on a normal phone line without even one second delay. So that is somewhat suspicious to me since there should be a delay. I am still a bit unsure about the technology used back then for this communication, and how it is used today, and why they could communicate faster with eachother than people do today through satellite communication.

Maybe someone have some more information on the satellites and communication methods and technology used back then 40 years ago for further insights into this? Personally I do not know enough about satelliete communication to know what was possible back then in those regards.

Phage - You seem to have put some efforts into this topic, perhaps you can shred some more light on this one? Thanks.

-Maggador

As I stated before, I saw every moon landing LIVE from beginning to end. I was 12 years old in 1969. I remember these all vividly, as I was glued to my seat every minute.

Yes, there was at least one remote controlled camera on the later missions. It was mounted on the Lunar Rover and controlled by NASA throughout the mission. It's a FACT. I remember on one mission (can't remember which one specifically) where the liftoff from the moon was shown live. The camera follows the ascent stage up as it lifts off. I remember the announcers talking about the delay and how the technician at NASA would start the camera panning up before the actual liftoff.

As for the lack of delay in communications, it never happened during live missions. The delay was spoken about frequently by the announcers. If it didn't happen at some point it would have been immediately obvious. What you're seeing are edited versions of NASA videos released with the delays removed.

idk i think it looks kind of fake like added into the video by computer. i just dont think the video is real.