Christian terrorists release Defensive Action Statement, justify political assassination

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by Wobbly Anomaly
Likewise abortion is about freedom of the parents, not the life of the baby.

i'm confused
was this sarcams?

If not, what did you mean exactly?

Yes, that was sarcasm. Ive never had to explain humour as much as i have on ATS (apart from when ive been to Sweden). I guess it's a cultural thing, either that or people tripping over themselves with self righteousness whilst the whole gamut of possibilities and empathy slide by into the night.

No, i dont know what that means either

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I also think abortion is wrong.

Luckily I have a penis, and so will never have an abortion, so my morality will remain intact for a long time to come.

'Course, regardless of my plumbing arrangement, it's not my call to tell someone else what to do with their bodies.

So here I am. Anti-abortion, pro-choice. Go figure

what?
what does abortion have to do with pro-choice?

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox

So here I am. Anti-abortion, pro-choice. Go figure

You are not alone.

I know many anti-abortion - - pro-choice supporters.

Some people really do understand the individual's RIGHT OF CHOICE - RIGHT OF BELIEF.

Not everyone has the need to dictate to others.

I am very pro-choice, but I have never had an abortion. I made that choice and it was right for me.

I find it interesting though that because we are speaking of Christian Terrorists that there are is no anger coming from the masses. Does that mean that it is okay to terrorize someone as long as you are Christian?

Originally posted by canadianmouse
I am very pro-choice, but I have never had an abortion. I made that choice and it was right for me.

I find it interesting though that because we are speaking of Christian Terrorists that there are is no anger coming from the masses. Does that mean that it is okay to terrorize someone as long as you are Christian?

I think it means that no-one in their right mind would take the phrase 'christian terrorist' seriously. misguided terrorist, terrorist that claims to believe the bible, god fearing terrorist etc etc maybe, but not christian terrorist.

How many political assassinations have these Christian 'terrorists' carried out? There are nutjobs all over the net full of bravado and unfulfilled threat; free-speech- at least in the US allows it.
There are murders committed daily in the name of Islam; how many in the name of Christianity? Comparing the two is apples to oranges.

Originally posted by stevegmu
How many political assassinations have these Christian 'terrorists' carried out? There are nutjobs all over the net full of bravado and unfulfilled threat; free-speech- at least in the US allows it.
There are murders committed daily in the name of Islam; how many in the name of Christianity? Comparing the two is apples to oranges.

Islam or at least the Koran says it is ok to kill non believers, just like the old testament. Jesus didnt say it was ok so you cant kill someone and actually be a christian....you can say you are a christian, but you wouldnt be.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by Sky watcher
I fear we will see this phrased used more often " Christian Terrorist ".

Actually it was used more often in the past

Originally posted by Sky watcher
Funny how we have to now call Muslim terrorist who kill hundreds at a time "Extremist"

Ummm, no i'm pretty sure they also called terroist
perhaps a google search would help you out

Originally posted by Sky watcher
now but they will not shy away from calling Christian Americans Terrorist if they do not support the government sanctioned mass murder of babies.

Govt. Sanctioned?
Do you even know what that means?

Congressman suggests calling a terrorist a terrorist
'I think it is a disservice to not speak with clarity about the enemies we confront'

Referring to the term "enemy combatant," he said, "Courts have dealt with that term for quite some time. If we throw that term out, and no longer say we're going to call them enemy combatants, it would create new legal uncertainty about their status and treatment."

According to the Washington Post, the Obama administration has issued an order that the phrase "global war on terror" no longer be used.

The memo came from the Defense Department's office of security to Pentagon staffers.

"This administration prefers to avoid using the term 'Long War' or 'Global War on Terror' [GWOT.] Please use 'Overseas Contingency Operation,'" the memo ordered.

Obama has used rhetoric for some time already that follows the guidance.

www.wnd.com...

Government Sanctioned Murder
Imagine you are 20 years old, 8-1/2 months pregnant with your first child. Your new husband is away on business and you are staying with your in-laws. Suddenly a group of armed police break down the door, abduct you, take you to a clinic, hold you down, rip your clothes from your body, drive a huge needle into your belly killing your unborn child then they rip the dead infant from your body with forceps, leaving you sterile.

Horrific? Barbaric? In China, that is NORMAL!

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Is Our Government Poised to Sanction Murder?
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Main Entry: 2sanction
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): sanc·tioned; sanc·tion·ing \-sh(ə-)niŋ\
Date: 1778
1 : to make valid or binding usually by a formal procedure (as ratification)
2 : to give effective or authoritative approval or consent to

synonyms see approve
www.merriam-webster.com...

Apparently you don't know the meaning because your academia is just like your post, WEAK!! You should try spell check next time as well!!

Originally posted by MattMulder


Glad to hear that terrorism is ALSO used for christian extremists.

Killing in the name of God is the worst thing ever because you kill for someone who NEVER EXISTED. God is an invention , a farce, created by the biggest hoax-makers of mankind.

Following the "meanings" of a book written by a dozen illuminates 2 millenaries ago is the worst excuse for killing someone. Christians and Muslims should be ashamed of using fear and death as a weapon of mass conversion.

now deconstruct my post whichever way you want, I said what I had to.
Cheers.

Well im glad to see your happy to have come from Apes. Two years from now you will be eating those words. Trillions of people have beleived for thousands of years because JESUS IS REAL. Trillions of Christians, Muslims and Jews alike through out history know he walked the earth but you think not.

Do you think that George Washington is just a hoax as well?

Well isnt that special. Next time keep your petty life to yourself instead of bashing my God. Now go beg for mercy because in the end your going to need it with that post.

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that was a joke right?
If So
If Not


Historians have spoke of G. Washington, how many spoke of Jesus?

Originally posted by Sky watcher

Government Sanctioned Murder
Imagine you are 20 years old, 8-1/2 months pregnant with your first child. Your new husband is away on business and you are staying with your in-laws. Suddenly a group of armed police break down the door, abduct you, take you to a clinic, hold you down, rip your clothes from your body, drive a huge needle into your belly killing your unborn child then they rip the dead infant from your body with forceps, leaving you sterile.

Horrific? Barbaric? In China, that is NORMAL!

Situations like this have happened in China - - but they are NOT NORMAL. And they are condemned by the official government. Just like here and every country - - there are rogue officials taking the law into their own hands.

In China you are required to obtain a license to have a child. You must be married and show you can support a child before being licensed. Not Really a bad idea in my opinion.

China has a valid reason for the One Child law. Are you condoning breaking the law?

TERRORISM/EXTREMISM - - control by fear

Wow, this is what it all boils down to. The Murrah Building bombing was supposed to give them an excuse to go after the Christian homegrown militias that didn't exist, now you all want to buy into this nonsense. I doubt that anybody, Muslim, Christian or Budhist would jump up at this point and claim to be a terrorist with us surrounded by salivating DHS and ready and waiting Fema camps with gas chambers. You want to be part of the "misinformation" that the "christians" are the "new enemy" go for it.

Originally posted by m khan
Wow, this is what it all boils down to. The Murrah Building bombing was supposed to give them an excuse to go after the Christian homegrown militias that didn't exist, now you all want to buy into this nonsense. I doubt that anybody, Muslim, Christian or Budhist would jump up at this point and claim to be a terrorist with us surrounded by salivating DHS and ready and waiting Fema camps with gas chambers. You want to be part of the "misinformation" that the "christians" are the "new enemy" go for it.

I agree. There is a theory that says our brains are hardwired for spiritual beliefs and the need for a tribal identity. Seems a lot of people want to adopt the 'us and them' approach....whoever 'them' turns out to be.

Maybe we should be asking the question 'why are we terrorists and why do we do these things to each other (born or unborn)

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I find it interesting though that because we are speaking of Christian Terrorists that there are is no anger coming from the masses. Does that mean that it is okay to terrorize someone as long as you are Christian?

I think is is recognition of the fact that most Christians and the Christian religion are not dangerous to those not of their faith. Not so with the Muslims.

If you are Kaffir an unbeliever, a Muslim is prohibited from befriending you. He is allowed to lie to you, practice deception and concealment if it is expedient and may conclude peace treaties only while he is at a disadvantage. The treaties are one sided because a treaty is considered broken if an unbeliever attacks Islam with disapproval or criticism or if the Muslims feel they now have the advantage if they decide to resume war. Peace treaties are viewed as "timeouts" and not lasting peace.

FROM THE BIBLE:
Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Matthew 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Luke 6:36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
Luke 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

James 2:13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

John 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.



MUSLIMS:

"The Tuqyah [practice of deception, lying or concealment for expediency]
is allowed until the Day of Resurrection.'' Allah said,

[وَيُحَذِّرُكُمُ اللَّهُ نَفْسَهُ]

The Prohibition of Supporting the Disbelievers

Allah prohibited His believing servants from becoming supporters of the disbelievers, or to take them as comrades with whom they develop friendships, rather than the believers. Allah warned against such behavior when He said,

[وَمَن يَفْعَلْ ذَلِكَ فَلَيْسَ مِنَ اللَّهِ فِي شَىْءٍ]

(And whoever does that, will never be helped by Allah in any way) meaning, whoever commits this act that Allah has prohibited, then Allah will discard him. Similarly, Allah said,

[يأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ لاَ تَتَّخِذُواْ عَدُوِّى وَعَدُوَّكُمْ أَوْلِيَآءَ تُلْقُونَ إِلَيْهِمْ بِالْمَوَدَّةِ]

(O you who believe! Take not My enemies and your enemies as friends, showing affection towards them), until,

[وَمَن يَفْعَلْهُ مِنكُمْ فَقَدْ ضَلَّ سَوَآءَ السَّبِيلِ]

Allah said next,

[إِلاَ أَن تَتَّقُواْ مِنْهُمْ تُقَـةً]

(unless you indeed fear a danger from them) meaning, except those believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers. In this case, such believers are allowed to show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly. For instance, Al-Bukhari recorded that Abu Ad-Darda' said, "We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them.'' Al-Bukhari said that Al-Hasan said, "The Tuqyah is allowed until the Day of Resurrection.'' Allah said,

[وَيُحَذِّرُكُمُ اللَّهُ نَفْسَهُ]

(And Allah warns you against Himself.) meaning, He warns you against His anger and the severe torment He prepared for those who give their support to His enemies, and those who have enmity with His friends,

[وَإِلَى اللَّهِ الْمَصِيرُ]

Allah encourages the believers to show enmity to the idolators and to dissociate from them, affirming that they do not deserve to enjoy a covenant of peace, because of their Shirk in Allah and disbelief in Allah's Messenger .

If these disbelievers have a chance to defeat Muslims, they will cause great mischief, leave nothing unharmed, disregard the ties of kinship and the sanctity of their vows. `Ali bin Abi Talhah, `Ikrimah and Al-`Awfi narrated that Ibn `Abbas said, "Ill means kinship, while, Dhimmah means covenant.'' Ad-Dahhak and As-Suddi said similarly.

[اشْتَرَوْاْ بِـَايَـتِ اللَّهِ ثَمَنًا قَلِيلاً فَصَدُّواْ عَن سَبِيلِهِ إِنَّهُمْ سَآءَ مَا كَانُواْ يَعْمَلُونَ - لاَ يَرْقُبُونَ فِى مُؤْمِنٍ إِلاًّ وَلاَ ذِمَّةً وَأُوْلَـئِكَ هُمُ الْمُعْتَدُونَ - فَإِن تَابُواْ وَأَقَامُواْ الصَّلَوةَ وَءاتَوُاْ الزَّكَوةَ فَإِخْوَانُكُمْ فِي الدِّينِ وَنُفَصِّلُ الاٌّيَـتِ لِقَوْمٍ يَعْلَمُونَ ]

Allah says, if the idolators with whom you conducted peace treaties for an appointed term break

[أَيْمَـنِهِمْ]

(their oaths) meaning, terms of their treaties, and covenants

[وَطَعَنُواْ فِى دِينِكُمْ]

(and attack your religion...) with disapproval and criticism, it is because of this that one who curses the Messenger, peace be upon him, or attacks the religion of Islam by way of criticism and disapproval, they are to be fought. This is why Allah said afterwards,

[فَقَـتِلُواْ أَئِمَّةَ الْكُفْرِ إِنَّهُمْ لاَ أَيْمَـنَ لَهُمْ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَنتَهُونَ]

Therefore, strike the swords upon the parts that contain the devil, for by Allah, it is better to me to kill one of these people than to kill seventy other men. This is because Allah said,

[فَقَـتِلُواْ أَئِمَّةَ الْكُفْرِ]

(then fight (you) against the leaders of disbelief.)''

[أَلاَ تُقَـتِلُونَ قَوْماً نَّكَثُواْ أَيْمَـنَهُمْ وَهَمُّواْ بِإِخْرَاجِ الرَّسُولِ وَهُم بَدَءُوكُمْ أَوَّلَ مَرَّةٍ أَتَخْشَوْنَهُمْ فَاللَّهُ أَحَقُّ أَن تَخْشَوْهُ إِن كُنتُم مُّؤُمِنِينَ - قَـتِلُوهُمْ يُعَذِّبْهُمُ اللَّهُ بِأَيْدِيكُمْ وَيُخْزِهِمْ وَيَنْصُرْكُمْ عَلَيْهِمْ وَيَشْفِ صُدُورَ قَوْمٍ مُّؤْمِنِينَ - وَيُذْهِبْ غَيْظَ قُلُوبِهِمْ وَيَتُوبُ اللَّهُ عَلَى مَن يَشَآءُ وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ ]
(See www.tafsir.com...)

Muslims on the subject of Peace treaties:

What this essentially means is that Muslims living in the West can pursue a course of peace with their unbelieving neighbors since the latter clearly outnumber the former. Yet when the Muslims muster enough power and wealth to overcome the "infidels" they will be forced to abandon peace and seek to conquer the disbelievers instead.

In particular, this Islamic teaching destroys any basis for trust in peace treaties made by Muslims. They are never thought to be lasting but only until such time as the Muslims feel strong enough that it is to their advantage to break the peace and attack the unbelievers again. For this reason Islam does not know genuine peace treaties with non-Muslims, i.e. peace treaties that end war once and for all, but only temporary truces that can be dissolved at any time. Is it any wonder that Muhammad is quoted as saying that war is deceit!

the Quran permits Muslims to accept a peace treaty from the unbelievers whom they are fighting:

But if they incline to peace, you also incline to it, and (put your) trust in God. Verily, He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower. S. 8:61 Hilali-Khan



So be not weak and ask not for peace (from the enemies of Islâm), while you are having the upper hand. God is with you, and will never decrease the reward of your good deeds. S. 47:35 Hilali-Khan

Muslims are commanded not to seek peace with the unbelievers, provided that they are the more dominant party! As the tafsir of Ibn Abbas states:

(So do not falter) do not weaken, O believer, upon fighting the disbelievers (and cry out for peace) and it is said this means: for Islam before fighting (when you (will be) the uppermost) when you are the victorious and the ultimate consequence will be in your favour, (and Allah is with you) He helps you to defeat your enemy, (and He will not grudge (the reward of) your actions) and He will not diminish the works in which you engage during Jihad. (Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs; online source; bold and underline emphasis ours)
See www.answering-islam.org...

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You've inspired me to create a new thread as the old testamnet is just as violent as the Koran (BTW i'm not disagreeing with the points you make) www.abovetopsecret.com...

Maybe they should take a look in the mirror? Abortion? Highest in the red states. Pornography consumption? Highest in the red states. Divorce? Highest in the red states..

Originally posted by reasonable
Maybe they should take a look in the mirror? Abortion? Highest in the red states. Pornography consumption? Highest in the red states. Divorce? Highest in the red states..

Statistics speak volumes. Would you say that certain christian systems actually inspire questionable life styles ? If so where does that inspiration come from ?

Originally posted by maybereal11


If you are to accept that "all disease, accident's and natural occurances no matter how tragic are hardly the work of god" then you must concede that God is not Omnipotent or "all powerful".

If you choose to believe that he is "all powerful", then the existence of "disease, accidents," child abusers..etc. means he is not all good.

If there was no disease, how would you appreciate health and healing?

Without death would any appreciate life, or the time we are blessed with to love one another?

Without pain and suffering none would enjoy the good in life. Without pain there can be no joy, without loss there could be no love.

I have seen death first hand, I have murdered and seen friends murdered. I have seen things that most people don’t even imagine, let alone witness. And yet every day I thank the Lord for all of the bad things in my life, because how else would I be able to see the good?

Assume for a moment that the God of Abraham does exist, and that he is the also the God of the Christ. Ask yourself, if he does exist, how must we seem to him? We would be children. A small child reaching in a fire to pick out one of those pretty glowing embers does not understand why us mean adults pull back his hand and punish him for his attempt to grasp at the beautiful. We are like toddlers when compared to the Lord. We are children throwing tantrums for want of the hot ember, the Lord is the adult keeping us away. If we are good children then we will grow into good adults and know that the fire hurts us. But for now, we have no idea what is really going on in the universe.

How prideful we are, to think that we can pass judgment on the Lord! We know nothing, we spit in his face, yet he continues to try and swat our hands from the flames. What unruly brats we are to continue to reach into the fire, thinking we have knowledge.



A BIT MORE ON TOPIC:

If I see a man holding a shotgun to an infants head, knowing full well that the man has killed other infants before him, am I not morally obligated to do everything in my power to stop him? What if nothing short of killing him will stop him from killing the infants? Am I justified?

To me, and many others as well, an unborn child is just as human as one who is born. After all, the unborn child has his own set of DNA, separate from his mothers. He IS NOT part of his mothers body. The mothers liver and other organs all share the same DNA as the rest of her body. The child does not. Furthermore, the childs DNA will decide how he looks, what color his skin and eyes are, even before he is born. From the moment his own genetic code is decided it can no longer be said that he is anything short of a distinct human being. We must draw the line of what is life and what is not here, where a separate individual is recognizable.

Now I do agree that I have no right to tell a woman what she can do with her body. HOWEVER, she was a willing participant in the creation of the child within her. She invited him in, FORCED him in. If I invite a man into my home but later decide that he is a burden for taking me up on my hospitality, may I then treat him poorly because he is in my home and no one may tell me what to do with my home? What if this guest in my home is an elderly person, who I put in my own home, and then threw outside knowing that this action would kill him? Would I be justified because it is my home?

How about if I put this elderly man in my house because it felt very good physically for an hour but then, when the pleasure had worn off, I realized I didn’t WANT to have an old man in my house for 9 months? Would I be justified in killing him? If I did this repeatedly, would you be justified in taking lethal action to ensure I stop, to save the innocent elderly people?

I have to ask myself what kind of man I am if I would not protect innocent, helpless children who were being slaughtered for convenience. Is it really terrorism to protect the defenseless innocent? What if it was you I protected while you were in your mother? Would you thank me for your life or call me a monster, a terrorist?

One man's terrorist is another's hero.

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You've inspired me to create a new thread as the old testamnet is just as violent as the Koran

I am well aware of that but the old testament is the holy book of the Jews. Jesus turned those teaching around to a more loving stance with the new testament, which is why I quoted from that part of the bible instead.