Alcohol being legal is a conspiracy...

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thats the exact same thing as marijuana, why doesnt that argument work for it?

Originally posted by born yesterday
alcohol are called spirits for a reason. they invoke demons to enter the body and make you act like a clown to a monster. depends on what enters you through the pineal gland.

some just want to feel sex again and others just want to destroy you.

don't drink alcohol unless you want to be possessed by demons. and the same goes for any excess of emotion.

we are not alone and there are many dimensions existing together with many different lifeforms who travel in a variety of ways.

First of all, not all alcoholic drinks are spirits. Spirits are your Vodkas, Tequilas, Whisk(e)ys (Bourbon, Scotch, Canadian Whisky, Irish Whisky ...), Cachaça, Gin, Rum, etc. Straight "hard liquor". Beer is not a spirit, nor are wines. Liqueurs are spirit based drinks with different flavours added, that were originally used for medicinal purposes many, many years ago. For example, "Southern Comfort" is a Bourbon based liqueur with peach and orange flavours added.

More to the point, spirits got the name "spirits" because of the distillation process. When the fermented liquid is in the still, it gets heated to 78.3 degrees Celcius, which is the temperature that alcohol boils at. The vapour that contains the alcohol then rises in the still, leaving behind all the water and most other by-products, and is cooled and condensed at the top of the still into a much stronger and more concentrated spirit.

The term "spirits" was coined from when the alcohol rises in the vapour, like a human spirit ascending to heaven.

No demons involved, just a lot of really interesting history and complex processes.

I agree that alcohol can be harmful to the human body, but so can absolutely anything when you consume too much of it. You should never have too much of a good thing.

I've seen first hand what alcohol can do to a person when they regularly drink it over a long period of time, and it is really sad and scary. But I've also seen people who can enjoy it without turning into a "clown" or a "monster" and still live happy, healthy lives, which I think is the vast majority.

As a bartender, I've often used the term "regulars" to sugar-coat what those certain people really are, which is "alcoholics", and it's actually inspired me to drink less, but I still appreciate alcohol for what it is.

Just do some research into the history of alcohol and read about the monks and the alchemists all playing their own part in making alcohol what it is today. It's truly fascinating and there is so much hard work and dedication in bringing all those (hopefully) perfect drinks to people.

Alcohol will never be banned, even if you forget about the history and how many thousands of years it's been used, there's just too much money in it. Probably the same reason smoking is still legal, and poker machines.

Originally posted by obamalivechat
Why is it legal when it harms and kills so many every day.

Because that is what they want.

Cigarettes are legal because they want you to smoke. Alcohol is legal because they want you to drink it.

It's called "deception".

Then they pretend to be the good guys telling you what you already know, that it harms you. But knowing you are addicted, or rely heavily on it to socialise, they know you will do it anyway. And they'll make big bucks.

Imagine a heroin dealer that told you, "you really shouldn't touch this stuff, it will really do serious damage to your body". You would be suprised how many of his "clients" would say he was a very caring person.

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Well done for actually saying it. Quite frankly, I didn't have the balls...



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I love alcohol, it's a wonderful substance and always makes my weekends better.

It's just a shame some idiots ruin it for the others, I think there should just be EXTREMELY harsh penalties for alcohol related crime.

But why is it legal?
Tax, plus alcohol is too easy to make.. I mean if they can make it in prison it can't be that hard.

Originally posted by whateverponcho
reply to post by mimer

 

thats the exact same thing as marijuana, why doesnt that argument work for it?

right?

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marijuana was america,s first cash crop ( FACT )

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It is legal because its effects don't make people smarter. '___' is illegal due to the fact that makes people kind of tribal in a way. It gives people perspective that can turn people against their gov't. Alcohol actually makes you dummer in a way. That's what the power brokers want. Weed makes you "happy with where you are at". Can be seen as lazy. However it does give perspective. That is why it hasn't been opened up all the way. Its risky for the power brokers to do so, but most people who want to smoke weed smoke it anyway. WE THE SHEEPLE must be controled. Alcohol helps this matter. It is legal.

Originally posted by obamalivechat
Why is it legal when it harms and kills so many every day. Who do they pay... How is it still legal...


excuse me why I go

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Making it illegal in the first place to jack up the price was the conspiracy.

There is no conspiracy at all...

Alcohol is legal for clear and present reasons.

1. It makes some very wealthy people stay that way.
2. Tax procured from sales are critical to the goverment.
3. People went nuts durring prohibition and underground 'thugs' became rich and powerful (Think Capone) filling the undying need/want.

As for marijuana, there is a simple reason for it being illegal. Back when the western study of marijuana came to fruition, it was found and expected that hemp would put the logging industry out of business due to the many practical purposes of it (paper for starters). In the early 1900's some of the richest men were in the logging business and they would not stand for this. So a mass negative propaganda was put in to place stating that mexicans were all rapests, molesterers, and killers because they all smoke dope. Not to mention several other avenues of fiction. In the end they got the votes needed to outlaw it.

Another factor here is that it can be grown by anyone almost anywhere and that made it very hard to tax. And would also put a dent in the alcohol and tobacco industry as studies showed at the time. So, even though it is deplorable that alcohol is legal and marijuana is not, the reasons are clear and I see no real conspiracy.

Originally posted by HomeBrew
There is no conspiracy at all...

Alcohol is legal for clear and present reasons.

1. It makes some very wealthy people stay that way.
2. Tax procured from sales are critical to the goverment.
3. People went nuts durring prohibition and underground 'thugs' became rich and powerful (Think Capone) filling the undying need/want.

As for marijuana, there is a simple reason for it being illegal. Back when the western study of marijuana came to fruition, it was found and expected that hemp would put the logging industry out of business due to the many practical purposes of it (paper for starters). In the early 1900's some of the richest men were in the logging business and they would not stand for this. So a mass negative propaganda was put in to place stating that mexicans were all rapests, molesterers, and killers because they all smoke dope. Not to mention several other avenues of fiction. In the end they got the votes needed to outlaw it.

Another factor here is that it can be grown by anyone almost anywhere and that made it very hard to tax. And would also put a dent in the alcohol and tobacco industry as studies showed at the time. So, even though it is deplorable that alcohol is legal and marijuana is not, the reasons are clear and I see no real conspiracy.

Well you would say that 'Mr Home Brew' .

Totally agree with all your posts apart from the missing factor of how hemp would but the oil and fuel industry to bed aswell.

I will admit, after growing up at my dad's restaurant and sports bar, I have no interest in drinking once so ever. My parents drank too, and even though didn't show many issues from it, I always had a bad opinion about it.

Now I am not religious, I am not straight edge, I have researched and enjoyed our history revolving around prohibition and moonshining ushering in nascar and muscle cars. So remember that Mustang fans.

But Alcohol is pretty dangerous, and time and time again we seem to just ignore the issue that it decreases the ability to mentally preform as a normal human being in any situation. We have issues daily due to it, yet we still feel that self regulation is the best means.

What really got me growing up was, Drinking and driving is stupid, yet we have bars? forget the Designated driver, why even have these places of drink away from homes? I understand how the traditional bar started as a tavern in a village. But when you have people drinking at a public place, then limiting their ability to preform as a normal human, aren't bars just bound to cause issues always then?

Yes people need to be understanding of what they are doing, but it's like having the drug dealer hanging outside the drug addiction meetings. Why are you even allowed to get drunk at a public place like a bar? And if this is allowed why don't we have Opium dens and such still? Let alone the concept of legalization towards the ability to use other illegal things?

I've seen drunken people bite people before.

Originally posted by obamalivechat
Why is it legal when it harms and kills so many every day. Who do they pay... How is it still legal...


excuse me why I go

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It may be legal and it may be harmful.... But it's a load of f*ckin fun!!

Source: A bottle of Jack Daniels everyday for X amount of years & still in great health.

Originally posted by born yesterday
alcohol are called spirits for a reason. they invoke demons to enter the body and make you act like a clown to a monster. depends on what enters you through the pineal gland.

some just want to feel sex again and others just want to destroy you.

don't drink alcohol unless you want to be possessed by demons. and the same goes for any excess of emotion.

we are not alone and there are many dimensions existing together with many different lifeforms who travel in a variety of ways.

My God, you are just plain dumb. Ignorance like this is part of the reason why the world is the way it is.

Grow up, kid.

Obama will probably do something about the marijuana laws before the election. i mean he's already supporting same sex marriage and making logical choices regarding immigration laws. marijuana reform would be a great move for him since it would help the economy by quite a bit. it can be used to make fuel, food and so much more.

Hemp paper doesn’t require toxic bleaching chemicals. It can be whitened with hydrogen peroxide, which doesn’t poison waterways as chloride and bleach--the chemicals used in making wood pulp paper--do.

Paper made from hemp lasts hundreds of years longer than wood-pulp paper, which decomposes and yellows with age. Hemp paper resists decomposition and does not yellow with age.

The Library of Congress found that, “While the hemp paper in volumes 300-400 years old is still strong, 97% of the books, printed between 1900 and 1937 on tree paper, will be useable for less than 50 years.” Hemp paper can be recycled 7 to 8 times, compared with only 3 times for wood pulp paper.

The USDA reported in 1916 that an acre of hemp produced as much paper as four acres of trees annually , yet 70% of American forest have been destroyed since 1916.

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I find it funny how marijuana is illegal, when alcohol and tobacco do much more damage to your health in the long run.

Not only that, but alcohol has the potential to cause some very socially unacceptable behavior. Has anyone ever seen marijuana do that? Also, before anybody decides to call me a stoner loser: This is coming from somebody that doesn't even use weed.