The Fourth Kind: Beware of "abduction" prop/agenda.

reply to post by DoomsdayRex

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex

What is up with the videos you presented?

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Since you've asked:

The two videos I've posted provide an impression of
some of my personal conclusions based on researching
a giant Butterfly crop circle which appeared not far from where I live
in the Netherlands on the 7th of August 2009.

Exactly three months ago.

I have been posting part of my research and findings
here on ATS in the days and weeks after.

A thread dedicated to a discussion about this crop circle
was posted on the 7th of August, where you can find the information.

Da Vinci Crop Circle ( The Netherlands )

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The annotated video below contains a brief summary (1:58min)
of the basic conclusion of this discussion:

- There exists no evidence nor proof that indicates
the Butterfly would be made by Earth Humans.

Therefore, it is a genuine unexplained crop circle.

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reply to post by Sol12


defotograaf.smugmug.com...

Enjoy.

Originally posted by HankMcCoy
reply to post by Sol12

 

defotograaf.smugmug.com...

Enjoy.

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My advice: Read!

www.abovetopsecret.com...

(And enjoy)

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reply to post by Sol12


Oh, so you know the reality of how it was created, you just choose not to accept that because it clashes with your view of the universe.

How religious of you.

Originally posted by HankMcCoy
reply to post by Sol12

 

Oh, so you know the reality of how it was created,
you just choose not to accept that because it clashes
with your view of the universe.

How religious of you.

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Are you bating "me" to go off-topic?

If you want to discuss the Butterfly
you can visit me in the other thread?

Read.

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reply to post by Sol12


Its a movie, its only agenda is profit. If there are any out there gulible enough to believe in alien abduction on the basis of a fictional movie that is their problem and is not the doing of the filmmakers. Same as any who will come out of the upcoming 2012 movie believing in all the malarkey surrounding that simply because it was in a movie or they read it online.

You're right that hypnosis is not science but it certainly isn't black magic either. You're wrong when you say what comes out of hypnosis is subjective while other things are objective. Human beings lack the ability to be subjective 100% of the time not just when hypnotized. Human beings describing things in a hypnotic trance are just as reliable as human beings outside of one in that they are describing things subjectively from their point of view.

I sincerely hope this movie doesn't convince anyone abduction is real and only serves as a thrilling movie going experience however just because the movie is fiction doesn't mean the abduction phenomenon is. And I have serious doubts about an agenda of fear, unless of course you mean the normal fear felt while watching a horror film.

Originally posted by Sol12

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Are you bating "me" to go off-topic?

If you want to discuss the Butterfly
you can visit me in the other thread?

Read.

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These types of statements make me question your cognitive abilities.


1. You posted videos of your Butterfly Man in the original post, making it PART of the topic of this thread.

2. You went on to discuss the topic with another poster in this thread.

3. If discussion of Butterfly Man is part of this thread, discussing how Butterfly Man is actually Project Atlas is also relevant to this thread, and as such, is not off topic.

4. What IS off-topic is you trying to derail this thread by telling me to stay on-topic. Nice distraction, but ineffective, considering my original point about your inability to understand logical thought still stands.

reply to post by Titen-Sxull


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Originally posted by Titen-Sxull

"You're wrong when you say what comes out of hypnosis is subjective while other things are objective."

I didn't say that, did I?

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
Human beings describing things in a hypnotic trance are just as reliable as human beings outside of one in that they are describing things subjectively from their point of view.

It may appear 'true' from their personal perspective,
it certainly isn't a basis for scientific/psychological truth,
therefore, these statements (in a hypnotic trance) are not "just as reliable".

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reply to post by HankMcCoy


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I am not the subject of this thread.

You add/ask nothing substantial.


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Originally posted by Sol12
reply to post by HankMcCoy

 

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I am not the subject of this thread.

You add/ask nothing substantial.


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I guess that makes two of us.

reply to post by Sol12


You said that

- Statements made under hypnosis are considered NON-objective,
and therefore, they are treated very differently to the statements
that are made in a normal non-hypnotized state of mind.

All statements in and out of hypnosis would be non-objective. I merely meant that human beings are consistently subjective whether hypnotized or not.

Hypnosis is Psychologically interesting and has been shown to assist in recalling things however those recalls can be unreliable if the person being hypnotized is lead to believe something that isn't true. Even if taken with a skeptical grain of salt the results of these abduction tests prove something weird is going on, whether that something is all in the heads of the hypnotized is up for debate but its definitely interesting and should not be dismissed out of hand.

I am curious if any of you have seen this movie at all or just dismiss it all just because of preconceived notions?

I just watched the movie tonight and I thought it was worth my money. I am not sure if I will say its good or bad, I just don't know how to categorize it. It disturbed me greatly, I will say that much. I think it is worth watching regardless of your current feelings. It is probably not going to make you a believer but if you can give any credibility to documented audio and visual recordings then you will most likely find it interesting in the least.

give me some secret documents,

Nobody who want secrets documents should ever prompt people to give them to him over forums like this.

Why are you so eager to facilitate a national security violation?





[edit on 8-11-2009 by Exuberant1]

reply to post by Exuberant1


I was merely making an example. my point was that there was to many people jumping to the propaganda conclusion with out giving enough good evidence.

I saw the movie and don't see it as fear mongering. The fact that they use actually video and audio from the case in the movie is compelling evidence that the underlying agenda is more likely pushing disclosure, rather than propagating fear. I just hope this doesn't turn out to be another Blair Witch style hoax.

I find hard to believe that the members of this site weren't lined up for the premier Seriously, everyone should see this movie.

reply to post by Titen-Sxull

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
"All statements in and out of hypnosis would be non-objective.
I merely meant that human beings are consistently subjective
whether hypnotized or not."

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If someone performs the moonwalk while under hypnosis
that does not mean he/she is factually Michael Jackson?

You see?

Your point is interesting though
from a philosophical angle.

One can even argue that the Universe is a subjective manifestation.

However, that is not the subject here.

Hypnosis is certainly an important and interesting area of research
to learn about the human psyche.

It is not an actual valid scientific method to obtain facts/truth.

To clarify:

One point here is that the 'abduction' theory hinges on outdated assumptions
about the validity of hypnosis as a method to obtain facts/truth.

Where is the actual evidence/proof re 'abduction' by extra-terrestrials?

It does not exist.

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well i thought it was a good movie :\

Originally posted by smarteye
I saw the movie and don't see it as fear mongering. The fact that they use actually video and audio from the case in the movie is compelling evidence that the underlying agenda is more likely pushing disclosure, rather than propagating fear. I just hope this doesn't turn out to be another Blair Witch style hoax.

I find hard to believe that the members of this site weren't lined up for the premier

Seriously, everyone should see this movie.

You haven't been reading these forums. If you bothered to read any of the previous threads and any of the reviews you would know that the whole movie is a thriller which is totally fictional. The "authentic footage" is just other people acting the same script. None of the movie is real just like Blair Witch and Paranormal Activity.

The purpose of the movie is to make money. It is hilarious that anyone thinks this has anything to do with "disclosure", other than the disclosure that the movie maker apparently has failed to impress the majority of the movie goers who have bothered to see the movie. If you got scared, I guess the movie was at least partly worthwhile.

I will not bother to see the movie because:
1) I am not a fan of poorly produced thrillers
2) I dislike being conned by producers who lure the public by falsely claiming the movie is using documentary footage, when it is all just bad acting.

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Good points.

Originally posted by bluestreak53
2) I dislike being conned by producers who lure the public
by falsely claiming the movie is using documentary footage,
when it is all just bad acting.

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Originally posted by sputniksteve
It is probably not going to make you a believer but if you can give any credibility to documented audio and visual recordings then you will most likely find it interesting in the least

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Originally posted by smarteye
The fact that they use actually video and audio from the case in the movie is compelling evidence that the underlying agenda is more likely pushing disclosure, rather than propagating fear. I just hope this doesn't turn out to be another Blair Witch style hoax.

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Anything that comes from Hollywood is audio/video?

Anything presented on TV is audio/video?

Does this imply it is factual?

Key word: subliminal mind programming.

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The point is:

Believe what?

Why?

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