Questions about an early AP Ft. Hood shooting article

I've got a few questions.

Why did officials initially say that THREE gunmen were involved and that TWO of the gunmen wore military uniforms? Why were these two other soldiers detained as suspects? Why were they released?

How did the gunman go from being reportedly killed to stable condition later in the day? How did he go from stable condition yesterday to being in a coma today?

The civilian policewoman who allegedly shot Hasan was also reportedly killed, only to also survive later. How could reporting from "officials" be this inaccurate after several hours?

I tend to believe the earliest news reports are the most accurate, before the "official story" is presented, where it gets repeated ad nauseum into "facts." Just like the numerous reports of "secondary explosions" on 9/11 by many different people which were never repeated again.

Interesting Prison Planet article:

Everything About Nidal Malik Hasan Screams “Patsy”

Killer’s pre-rampage behavior is completely at odds with the idea of him preparing to massacre more than a dozen of his colleagues.

www.prisonplanet.com...

reply to post by GoldenFleece

I tend to believe the earliest news reports are the most accurate

I tend to disagree, in my experience, the most earliest reports tend to have inaccurate facts. I feel that their a way to many news agencies out their that certain facts get skewed.

reply to post by Scooby Doo

I'll give you two examples of the earliest news reports being the most accurate.

The first was when EVERY news organization on 9/11 reported that "secondary explosions" were heard by many first responders.

Ever see this compendium of 9/11 "secondary explosion" news stories that were never reported again?


The second example was when EVERY news organization at the Oklahoma City bombing (even the governor of OK) reported that two additional powerful explosives devices were recovered from the Murrah Federal Building. This too was never reported again, even though every military and law enforcement agancy at OKC that day noted the removal of two additional bombs in their daily incident reports.

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And here's an example of first reports being wrong:



I agree with Scooby Doo, with news reporting becoming almost instant these days, there's no time to fact check details, they just get it out there and worry about the facts later.

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Its just the MSM at it again. You must keep the public asleep and the best way to do that is by keeping them in the dark... its sad but that is just how the machine works until someone throws a wrench into it.

reply to post by Chadwickus

Nothing inaccurate about your "Balloon Boy" story. The hoax was perpetrated by his parents --which was reported that way by the media. It has nothing to do with military and law enforcement officials at Oklahoma City, 9/11 and Ft. Hood releasing wildly inaccurate information hours after an event -- information that's never challenged or further explained.

Hell, your "Ballon Boy" story received more public questioning and scrutiny than the secondary explosions at 9/11 or the additional bombs found at Oklahoma City!

Originally posted by GoldenFleece
Nothing inaccurate about your "Balloon Boy" story. The hoax was perpetrated by his parents --which was reported that way by the media.

Firstly it's not my balloon boy story, secondly it is a perfect example of the media jumping all over something before finding out the facts.

It has nothing to do with military and law enforcement officials at Oklahoma City, 9/11 and Ft. Hood releasing wildly inaccurate information hours after an event -- information that's never challenged or further explained.

One could say that 9/11 and Oklahoma City has nothing to do with Fort Hood, it seems you're desperately trying to make connections between these things.

Hell, your "Ballon Boy" story received more public questioning and scrutiny than the secondary explosions at 9/11 or the additional bombs found at Oklahoma City!

Again, not my balloon boy story and it certainly isn't my fault that it may have garnered more attention than your (lol) secondary explosions at the WTC.

Originally posted by Chadwickus
One could say that 9/11 and Oklahoma City has nothing to do with Fort Hood, it seems you're desperately trying to make connections between these things.

Uhhh... they're called false flag operations, where the initial information doesn't match -- and sometimes contradicts -- the official story.

BTW, you're the one who sounds desperate -- desperately starring every post that disagrees with me and bringing up a ridiculous "Balloon Boy" example.

Have you ever met an official story you didn't like?

Originally posted by GoldenFleece
Uhhh... they're called false flag operations, where the initial information doesn't match -- and sometimes contradicts -- the official story.

Oh so Fort Hood is a false flag now. A false flag for what exactly?
Kicking Muslims out of the armed forces?

BTW, you're the one who sounds desperate -- desperately starring every post that disagrees with me and bringing up a ridiculous "Balloon Boy" example.

I haven't starred any posts...what is your obsession with stars anyway?

Do you have star envy?

Have you ever met an official story you didn't like?

Yeah, the balloon boy story, that's why I mentioned it.

Since the base was locked down the media would have used other sources like what someone heard on a police scanner and from someone inside by cell phone.

Then you have jokers that will feed bogus information to the media for fun.

Back during the Vietnam war I was in the navy and many of us did not like the media and when we ran into reporters we would feed them totally bogus information.
Sometimes our commands told everyone that we could not report our ships movement because the north Vietnamese used the media reports to track what ships were off there coast.
After being given these orders many of us started telling the reporters some very tall tales
In many cases these stupid reporters believed what we told them and would put it in the papers or on TV.

Originally posted by ANNED
Since the base was locked down the media would have used other sources like what someone heard on a police scanner and from someone inside by cell phone.

Except all information and quotes from the initial articles were attributed to Army "officials" and Ft. Hood "spokesmen."

Originally posted by ANNED
Back during the Vietnam war I was in the navy and many of us did not like the media and when we ran into reporters we would feed them totally bogus information.

You mean like that totally bogus attack in the Gulf of Tonkin? Where LBJ is quoted in NSA archives saying, "those Navy boys were shooting at a bunch of flying fish!?"

reply to post by Chadwickus

I have an idea -- why don't you cyber-stalk someone else? Please take your Balloon Boy silliness and pro-government rhetoric to another thread or better yet, start your own. An Aussie who's obsessed defending official stories by the U.S. government. Strange indeed.

Originally posted by GoldenFleece
I have an idea -- why don't you cyber-stalk someone else? Please take your Balloon Boy silliness and pro-government rhetoric to another thread or better yet, start your own. An Aussie who's obsessed defending official stories by the U.S. government. Strange indeed.

Get over yourself.

Are you so insecure with your life that you can't handle when people disagree with you?

I'm not stalking you...how many threads have you and I posted in at the same time? maybe 4-5 over what, a year?

Talk about paranoia!

Why don't you stop acting like a spoiled brat towards me, just put me on ignore if what I say bothers you so much, otherwise cut the ad-hom attacks and debate things like an adult.

Originally posted by GoldenFleece

Except all information and quotes from the initial articles were "attributed to Army "officials" and Ft. Hood "spokesmen."
This is a common thing newsman quote when they have information that they get from unreliable/unoffical sources, most is lacking in facts.
Also any public affairs officer with the military, police, or fire departments always gives out there name to be quoted.
When its "attributed to Army "officials" and Ft. Hood "spokesmen." that means that nether a official or army spokesmen gave out that information or they would have given there name. These are clues that this info came from unofficial sources without military permission to release the info.
No reporter wants to be beaten by another reporter in breaking a story so they pass a lot of unchecked breaking stories and then blame others when they turn out to be bogus. The common blamed people are "Unnamed" officials and spokesman.
I know because i worked for a newspaper before i went into the navy.

Originally posted by ANNED
Back during the Vietnam war I was in the navy and many of us did not like the media and when we ran into reporters we would feed them totally bogus information.

You mean like that totally bogus attack in the Gulf of Tonkin? Where LBJ is quoted in NSA archives saying, "those Navy boys were shooting at a bunch of flying fish!?"

We could not talk about even being in the gulf of Tonkin with reporters because that was classified information. Ships movement was classified so they did not get it form us. so we told them of being other places torpedoing whales from our minesweepers. or chasing subs with our minesweepers.
(our minesweepers never had torpedoes or sub hunting equipment.)
but these reporters never checked a simple to find book called Jane's fighting ships to find that out

So anything the reporters claimed came from other sources then navy sailors.
Most of the navy press releases in those days came from politicians in Washington.




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reply to post by ANNED

You missed my point. You wouldn't even have been in Vietnam if the U.S. government hadn't fabricated a false-flag attack in the Gulf of Tonkin. It's widely supported by NSA archives and accepted by historians that this "attack" never happened. Totally made up, which is why people don't trust the government. We've been lied to and deceived too many times.

Originally posted by Chadwickus

Originally posted by GoldenFleece
Uhhh... they're called false flag operations, where the initial information doesn't match -- and sometimes contradicts -- the official story.

Oh so Fort Hood is a false flag now. A false flag for what exactly?
Kicking Muslims out of the armed forces?

Oh, not much -- just a couple of trillion-dollar wars that were based on massive lies and deception. Perhaps you've forgotten about those Iraqi "weapons of mass destruction?" How many Aussie soldiers have died in this debilitating quagmire that we were promised would end if Obama was elected? How many innocent civilians have been killed by "collateral damage"? A million? Two million?

Yeah, I'm sure none of this has occurred to you -- another pathetic apologist for lies and war.


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Well you're just putting words into my mouth, saying I haven't thought of these things.

If I had it my way, no troops would have been sent to Iraq and Afghanistan, the reasons given are absurd.

As for Obama withdrawing not withdrawing them? Well it's easier said than done, leaving these countries now would be almost as worse as invading them in the first place.

However, Australia don't need to keep troops there, so I say bring them home, it aint our war!




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Why would they shut down cell phones at Ft. Hood? I would think that people would be anxious to find out if their kids were ok, loved ones shot and nobody could get through.

Texas Governor Rick Perry: "There Were Three Shooters"


Just like when the governor of Oklahoma went on TV in 1995 to announce that two additional bombs were removed from the Alfred P Murrah Federal Building.

But it didn't stop the government from setting a land speed record in executing Timothy McVeigh. Hey, what's a couple extra bombs or shooters when a patsy needs to be executed?

I love this post:

Happy Panties Reply:
November 7th, 2009 at 2:03 pm

By HAPPY G. PANTIES, Sheeple News writer

FORT HOOD, Texas – Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the “dead” terrorist, is suspected of killing 7… no, 9… no, 11…wait, 12… no, 13… or is it 12, again (???) during an act of domestic terrorism at Ft. Hood on Thursday. He acted alone, but may have had up to three accomplices in the massacre, and there may or may not have been more than one gunman at one or more locations (we still haven’t made up… uhm, been given… the official report, here at Sheeple News.) One of these alleged accomplices may or may not have been on the loose, finishing a round of golf at a nearby course, which was why the base remained closed until Thursday evening. Children being held on school campuses, during the lockdown, were given the H1N1 vaccine as a precautionary measure.

Despite the shooting occurring on what is said to be the largest military compound on the planet, where soldiers are trained for combat situations, it was necessary for local authorities to immediately be called in to assess the crisis.

Hasan was killed by a civilian police officer who, upon his own death, was promoted to the rank of military police; until he was miraculously resurrected… as a woman. Coincidentally, Hasan was also resurrected, and we expect a terrorist manifesto from him in days to come (before he dies, again, in surgery.)

Mike Hunt, a local veterinarian, says that he’s operated on cats who have fewer lives than those involved in this incident.

The motive for the shooting wasn’t clear, but evidence suggests that Hasan may have been in league with neo-nazis, and also may have had ties to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. The Department of Homeland Security suspects that Hasan may have been a suicide bomber in a previous life, and consequently had been monitoring his activities. As a result of said investigation, DHS discovered that Hasan’s neighbor’s boss’ nephew’s girlfriend’s landlord’s fat cat had been defecating in the flower-bed of a suspected member of al-Qaeda.

Hasan, was… wait, is… a 39 year-old, 8 year veteran who enlisted upon graduation from high school. He is a lifelong Muslim who had recently converted to Islam.

Achmed, the dead terrorist, Hasan’s estranged brother, was quoted as saying “Silence, I keel [sic] you!”

An Army spokesman suggested that any soldier suffering from the effects of this traumatic event seek the excellent counsel provided by the psychiatric staff at Darnall Medical Center, on Ft. Hood, of which Hasan was formerly affiliated. Civilians affected by this tragedy are encouraged to attend one of the 16,947,334,965,008 prayer vigils being held throughout the community.