Fort Hood Conspiracy

reply to post by kosmicjack


Sorry man, but your sig line is a confusing, rambling mess. WTH are you trying to say? Is there a "routine" serial killer's are supposed to follow? I mean, I heard there are breakfasts of champions but what does a breakfast of serial killers make up?

He is a very smart individual who knows how to manipulate people. For Christ's sake, he has a degree is psychology. I'm pretty confident he knows what to say to make you feel a certain way. He studied his target (military training), knew the base didn't allow soldiers to carry their weapons (gave him time to do the most amount of damage) and found the place that soldiers would be fatigued, less likely to respond or would hide (remember, this place was for those coming or going into combat, not a special forces dojo).

Are muslims "trained, conditioned" a certain way to post online? What about those that have snapper or have a damaged mind? Nah, we can play games and chase ghosts but in the end, he did this on his own. I agree that there is more to it but we are looking in the wrong direction. The spotlight is guiding our eyes...

Originally posted by Walkswithfish
What you don't know can't harm you.

Whether there is a conspiracy or not the truth is that which they decide to make you believe in the end.

Any time the FBI is called in and the story changes you can safely assume that something went wrong, very wrong... Unless it was all planned from the beginning.

Hey, we can make it look like it was the Muslim guy's plan.

The silence death provides has advantages when people at the bottom of the food chain know too much and start talking.

Jeeeze... I need to get the hell out of Texas while I can.

Your move.

I wonder what are the chances that some of the victims and the shooter are taking some secrets to the grave. If a psychiatrist for the military wanted to harm the military, why would he not just leave the country and write a tell all book. A Doctor would be welcome in most countries. This smells like something other than an Islamic attack.

reply to post by JJay55

Islam? What in the name of Allah does Islam stand to gain from having a muslim American start shooting up a US military base?

reply to post by HappilyEverAfter

nice imagination. Completely impossible but nice imagination.

My X-Wifes niece is getting married to a Fort Hood officer. They were their when this happened.
She just told me that during the lockdown, all of their cell phones were "offline"

They were still on but had no signal and were unable to make outgoing or receive incoming calls.

Just a bit ago, they were told, by the groom that they have technology on the base that jams cell phones, which is why none of their phones work.

Not a huge conspiracy, jamming technology isnt unknown but thats the first time ive heard about it being implemented on that large a scale and on a military base on US soil.

reply to post by Kr0n0s


Kronos, they have been playing with that for a few years. It is really cool when they do tests, you can see it on the weather Radar.

Ft Hood is one of the bases that gets the new things to test before going out into the field.

I know this is a conspiracy thread, but please don't forget to send some healing thoughts to Central Texas, we are really hurting today gang.

Originally posted by eradown
This smells like something other than an Islamic attack.

What you are smelling is highly refined bullpoo.

It has a quality unlike any other bullpoo out there, it is used exclusively in cases like this where a convenient cover-up is immediately necessary.

Not to worry, the odor will fade quickly as more and more people fall for what is being fed to the mainstream news media.

In the end, the truth is usually extremely lethal so be happy you do not know that truth.

Soon even you will believe and, this will all be forgotten.



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Originally posted by Kr0n0s
My X-Wifes niece is getting married to a Fort Hood officer. They were their when this happened.
She just told me that during the lockdown, all of their cell phones were "offline"

They were still on but had no signal and were unable to make outgoing or receive incoming calls.

Just a bit ago, they were told, by the groom that they have technology on the base that jams cell phones, which is why none of their phones work.

Not a huge conspiracy, jamming technology isnt unknown but thats the first time ive heard about it being implemented on that large a scale and on a military base on US soil.

I'm sure its safe to say that the jamming technology was turned on so that the suspect couldn't call anyone, You have to understand that they didn't know at the time how many suspects were involved and if anymore were coming.

The idea that Moslems are "ready to kill for their beliefs" is a lot of garbage. All through history the Moslem conquests, like a lot of the Christian ones, were for gain first and religion second. Look at the history of India. They used religion when it served their purposes. Look at Akbar, he married a Hindu because he needed the Rajput support.
The "fanatic" Moslems who were supposed to have perpetuated 911 were hardly Moslems at all. They drank! Alcohol is forbidden to a devout Moslem. (My belief is that they were CIA-employed) And if you meet any devout Moslems, they are extremely peaceable people, strict but peaceable. They are a lot like Jehovah's witnesses. The big push behind being a fanatic Moslem is "Am I a good person?" Another big push is "Will my children be good people?" There they get really fanatical. That I don't argue with.
You want to know what religion is really behind any conspiracy in our country today, including Fort Hood, and you will find the really bad people are the satanists who party at Bohemian Grove, who rule our country.
You may consider this off topic, but I think it is right on. This discussion of how did this happen at Ft Hood is running toward "Those crazy Moslems did it and they will do it again!"

Originally posted by kenochs
reply to post by JJay55

 

Islam? What in the name of Allah does Islam stand to gain from having a muslim American start shooting up a US military base?

Their duty is fulfilled. It is the obligation of muslims to participate in fard ayn. If they complete this they are serving Allah.

reply to post by Prove_It_NOW


I will try to answer as many questions as I can but first realize, I am not arguing with you on this. Seriously. I am just throwing things out there so don't take offense. We will get much further working together then snipping.

So what? Last time I checked being a Muslim wasn't a crime in itself.
And you are right. What I was trying to get to was whether it had been determined he was or not. If he was, it would be safe to say, IMHO, that he maybe more sympathetic to the Muslim cause if he was Muslim

Muslims usually don't hand out Korans to neighbors unless they are interested. Muslims don't usually prosthelytize. But so what, it means nothing in itself. I disagree. It would go to mindset. If he is following the Koran, it would go to being sympathetic to the Muslim cause and further put him on the edge of dealing with the infidels

Why aren't you interested in the fact that multiple shooters were reported? Or do you care/know? I do care because I believe he didn't act alone. Those that were killed could have been apart of his "quiet cell". I believe it would be earth shattering news to hear that a quiet cell had been discovered in the Army thus I would like to hear more

Why are you not interested in the forensics of the case thus far? Not sure why you ask that. I am very interested in the case and the facts which include ALL of the details about him. Muslim? Christian? Lone gunman? Terror cell? Planned? Mind-controlled? Etc.

Why are you not interested in the logistical inconsistencies of the story? Well, we haven't really been given the whole story and therefore it is VERY premature to say that the "story" we have now is the whole story and anything apart it is "inconsistent". Let's not jump the gun and call this anything until we get more details is all I'm saying.

Are you taking it at face value that this is a lone gunman hocked up on the Koran and Allah? If so why? Are you predisposed to think so for some reason? No. You should know better. I have no dog in this fight. Being a military brat, I have been places and met people who I still talk to who have had experiences in other places I have never been and vice-versa. I believe there IS more to this story but hate to see anyone start saying that there is a massive cover-up or conspiracy until more facts have been released. I contacted a few of them but none have been at this base so I can't speak to that but I do know that this guy was vulnerable. Very vulnerable. Someone/something/some group may have picked up on this and began working that "isolation" against him. They may have gotten information from him and led him to believe this suicide mission was his form of ultimate rebellion against the infidels. That's what I am saying. We may be looking at the wrong conspiracy here in the rush to make it something else.

Hope I answered them all. You asked many great and thought provoking questions and hopefully you realize we share the same objective; finding what this all means. Let's not make this you against I.

Originally posted by JJay55

Originally posted by kenochs
reply to post by JJay55

 

Islam? What in the name of Allah does Islam stand to gain from having a muslim American start shooting up a US military base?

Their duty is fulfilled. It is the obligation of muslims to participate in fard ayn. If they complete this they are serving Allah.

Your simplistic bumper sticker responses do not do anyone justice but further serve hyperbole and fallacy. You haven't stated one fact yet. I'll wait till you do.

There are reports of another shooting in Florida but they don't know if there is a connection or not

reply to post by Roadblockx


I wasn't angry at all. I just seem that way when writing in text. There's no feeling of a "you against me" thing here. Just making sure I know where you stand or if you are open to evidence before opinion and speculation.

I get tired of constant opinion based on nothing than personal feelings, so sometimes I sound defensive. I just try to weed out BS'ers before they go on rampages and gain traction with emotion filled responses.

Oh great Orlando mass shooting now.
Stay tuned for more.

The Orlando Fire Departement said eight people were shot and four of them are trauma patients, MyFoxOrlando reported.

Police have surrounded a Florida high-rise after gun shots were reportedly fired.

The Legions Place office building in downtown Orlando was ordered on lockdown Friday afternoon as officers began a floor-by-floor evacuation.

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My "conspiracy" theory

It came to me when I was replying to another poster. Here is my theory:

This major seemed to be a loner. No friends, gf's/bf's whatever his flavor was, doesn't matter. There was no one "special" in his life. Either they left (mention of a woman and child leaving his residence at one time but could have been a friend) or there hasn't been. As he continued down this path, he probably started hating his choices: military, career, no friends.. Now this is where it gets interesting. He is either contacted without requesting the contact or he is online and spends enough time talking to these "muslims" that he hears so much about and wants to talk to them more. They become friends off/online and he begins soaking up all of this friendship and the anti-American seed gets planted. It's their fault for all of the world's problems, their fault he is so miserable and now he has to go overseas and die for his country. The hatred grows, he continues to get his mind flooded and the cycle continues until he rants on this sites about how America sucks and how great muslims are. Maybe he finds some others that are easily influced as well and they all agree to be apart of something "great". Finally, his muslim friends tell him it is time to fullfill his destinty and kill these evil Americans.

Now, what I would be interested to know is; was he approached by this muslim group or did he seek them out? That be the question.

reply to post by Roadblockx


You're wasting your time. There will always be apologists and those who will be left behind or shot in crossfire because they refuse to open their eyes.

In case anyone didn't notice Khomeni asked a couple of days ago for Muslims to start killing Westerners when and where they can. Hello... it is happening and we are still questioning this?

I apologize for continuing with slightly off-topic, but this level of ignorance needs to be denied.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by nepafogo

 

The profession is a scam??? are you saying that bi-polar, OCD, ADHD and other mental illnesses are also scams? My wife has worked in this field for many years and has helped many many people who have mental illnesses. I think that saying the field of pshychiatry is a scam is far from the truth. PLease elaborate on why you think it is a scam and don't give me the "to make money" excuse because we are all guilty of that one.

Please the whole profession is based on Frued's coc aine ramblings and Jungs arguments to their validity!

All of the disorders you have mentioned are just ways to encourage chemical dependence for pharmacutical companies to profit off of and the attending "doctors" who perscribe them instead of something called focus and emotional discipline.

It's all based on encouraging people to believe that their lack of focus and emotional discipline is nothing they have to be responsible for or accountable for because of a chemical imballance.

It's utter tripe!

Freud and Jung?

Dude, Freud died in 1939... think your opinion of Psychology and Psychiatry is WAAAAY out of date.

As a man 8 months from his Master's in Psychology, I just gotta say you are REALLY incorrect, specially for being so adament about it.

Only Psychiatrists (not therapists or Psychologists) prescribe drugs anyway and it's a really small percentage of those practicing.

If you're gonna bash Freud at least bash him for something approriate like his set of clients were nearly all women who had significant issues and he made many of his theories from working with that group.

You are simply ignorant to what Psychology is about.


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reply to post by Happyfeet


I agree with you about the BS feel of the story. Obviously you are former military or AD like me. I am at a Base in Washington (obviously I won't say which) and honestly it would not be hard at all to get weapons on base. But you are right about one thing, it is not feasible at all to fire that many rounds accurately with two handguns. I have been in firefights before and this kind of thing just does not happen! There are many physical reactions to being in a firefight and quite frankly this just does not mesh up with the official story. This whole thing is FUBAR and I really feel sorry for the people that were killed.