People are starting to die...

Well I'm starting to get really confused about all this!

Now Switzerland has banned all vaccinations for ALL children and adults over 60 years of age - only people between 18 to 60 could be considered for the vaccine.

The Swissmedic -organisation said that they do not know enough about this vaccine to allow it for all, , therefore you can have the "Pandemrix" vaccine only if you're between 18 and 60 years of age, and NOT PREGNANT!

www.tagesanzeiger.ch...

Switzerland forbids "swine flu" vaccine for pregnant women, young and old!

Swissmedic, the authority in Switzerland that gives permission for the use of drugs, today announced that the "swine flu" vaccine Pandemrix will not be allowed to be injected into pregnant women, children or young adults (below 18 years of age) or elderly (above 60 years of age). The very same vaccine is now injected through an unprecedented mass vaccination campaign into hundreds of thousands if not millions of people in Sweden. No restrictions are made in Sweden and the authorities there express surprise about the Swiss decision. "There is no reason to make such a decision here in Sweden", says Jan liliemark, a professor working for the national Medical Products Agency. The many deaths so far in Sweden from this vaccine are "still under investigation".

theflucase.com... id=41%3Ahighlighted-news&Itemid=105&lang=en

This is getting weirder by the day!

I recently, actually talked with a Government health official here where I live - and she was more confused than I about this

I pointed out for her, our reaserch from the published papers from the 'Swedish biological military NBC branch' and the 'Swedish Karolinska institute' and she was astonished and shocked to read the facts in black and white from the tests on rats and ferrets regarding that "Squalene" was proved to cause an autoimmune disease - she was just rambeling; this can't be true -please tell me this isn't happening right now.

She promised to call me back when we left the coffey place - she have not yet responded - and this was early last week?!

My level of trust for the authorieties is unfortunately really running low now! - only the engineers and scientists of "Big Pharma" will have the answers we so desperately need - But how do the heck should we get them? (the answers?) - kidnapping and interrogation of corrupt corporated scientists ?

I don't think they will tell us by free will! heck! most of them are so damn scared of loosing their jobs, so they keep real quiet - but it may change soon if just one brave soul of them are willing to give a public statement.

I mean, they can't all be rotten souls? or are they?

EDIT: added the flucase link


[edit on 2-11-2009 by Chevalerous]

It would be nice if somebody would keep track of the railroads, and those mass graves that local officials were supposed to be scouting out to put dead flu victims. If people really are dying in large numbers, please get the news out. We can't rely on the media for anything anymore. If people are really dying in large numbers the government could be hiding the bodies in mass graves or shipping them off to incinerate them. We didn't know anything about Katrina victims for a long time. The stopped people from leaving the area when they could have just walked away. But they made them stay in the superdome and people died that wouldn't have. There is a story that law enforcement people in Illinois are supposed to corral people who try to escape the Chicago area and herd them into Fema camps. The is a picture of a gas tower on Youtube in a camp in Missouri that is not a water tower. If our government weren't so closely tied to the Nazis from WWII, the Rockefellers financed and sponsored Hitler, and the CIA was organized by their employee, Allen Dulles, and brought over thousands of Germans not just scientists but SS & Gestapo, then we would think our government not capable of mass genocide but the way things have been going...

Originally posted by m khan
It would be nice if somebody would keep track of the railroads, and those mass graves that local officials were supposed to be scouting out to put dead flu victims. If people really are dying in large numbers, please get the news out. We can't rely on the media for anything anymore. If people are really dying in large numbers the government could be hiding the bodies in mass graves or shipping them off to incinerate them. We didn't know anything about Katrina victims for a long time. The stopped people from leaving the area when they could have just walked away. But they made them stay in the superdome and people died that wouldn't have. There is a story that law enforcement people in Illinois are supposed to corral people who try to escape the Chicago area and herd them into Fema camps. The is a picture of a gas tower on Youtube in a camp in Missouri that is not a water tower. If our government weren't so closely tied to the Nazis from WWII, the Rockefellers financed and sponsored Hitler, and the CIA was organized by their employee, Allen Dulles, and brought over thousands of Germans not just scientists but SS & Gestapo, then we would think our government not capable of mass genocide but the way things have been going...

Listen my friend! there will not be any "mass killings" with this vaccine!

People need to understand this so they are not cluttering up all forums with unimportant chatter!

The dangers lay in the adjuvants and additives which can cause severe problems to many people.

We need to seperate these things.

If any! it will be a SLOW death for those unfortunately souls who had the bad luck to develop any autoimmune syndroms!


EDIT: Baahh! I really need to buy a new keyboard - all my posts has letters missing now since I spilled a bottle of coke all over it! - sorry!


[edit on 2-11-2009 by Chevalerous]

I am not surprised that so many people know virtually nothing about the process around vaccine production and yet will take information from anyone who hands it out whether it is wrong or not.

some will even go so far as to postulate on an assumption.

Fox news needs to stop shouting "fire" in crowded theatres and get back to reporting the news, instead of stuff they make up and then call news.

Originally posted by faithkeeper
Why are we so upset and worried? Flu only is contracted in cold climates and with the global warming and the polar bears losing their coat due to the effects of global warming...Why the concern over getting any flu bug? Is it 80 degrees in Denver right now? No virus can grow in this global warming climate of ours.

Keep listening to the main stream media and the government.

I am afraid you are incorrect on this fact. This new flu virus was still active throughout the entire summer months unlike any other flu virus we have seen. That is what is so concerning, this virus can survive at much higher temperatures.

My concern is Not masses dyeing off after taking the H1N1 vaccine, It is the long term effect it will have on those who Did get the shot. What will come from this? Oh you boast proudly...I had the shot and feel fine....BUT thats right now what about later? Otherwise healthy men and women now sterile some months / years down the line, Just long enough to forget to contribute this to the side effect of the vaccine.

Cancer? More Autism, A new disease to be announced and given a name?

We have so many new diseases now or relativly new..AIDS, Autism, ADD, ADHD, lets see what should they name this new one to be born of this vaccine? How about / SCS or Shepards curse syndrom!

Now be a good lamb and take that shot....see it wasn't that baaaaadddd
Baaaaddd

I'm not making light of this, It's serious! people laugh when they hear others using terms like sheeple.....

Oh there crazy or another nut case the governments out to get us...

Watch the news, visit a location where they are giving out the vaccine, look at the long lines and the hours people are spending in them waiting their turn to get their shot....

Just like sheep...being herded up.

The main issue here I believe just may be what will the long term side effects be?

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I'm a little confused. If you currently have Swine Flu, then why have you been advised to get the vaccine after you finish your course of medication? You should already be immune to Swine Flu and giving you a vaccine is pointless.

Sounds very dodgy to me. Maybe some other reason you should be taking it eh?

I've already had swine flu, so I won't be bothering with the vaccine. Not that I would have anyway.

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Originally posted by faithkeeper


The main issue here I believe just may be what will the long term side effects be?

Yes! Like I and many more has posted evidence of - real medical and scientific papers!

Not all will be affected, but if you're having some errors in your genetical code - you could in the worst case develop an autoimmune disease!

it is very difficult for ordinary people to know if their genetical code is 100% intact and fine! - without taking a special expensive test - and if you are unlucky, maybe just your immunesystem can't take it?

Most people will be fine though for a long time, but when they are getting older their DNA strains could have problems leading to autoimmune diseases or cancer when their cells is multiplying and chromosomes are splitted.

It's a case of Russian roulette, if you are unlucky, your chromosome pairs could break up, leading to a severe syndrom (See Gulf War Syndrom for American and British soldiers for more info)


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Originally posted by Chevalerous

My level of trust for the authorieties is unfortunately really running low now! - only the engineers and scientists of "Big Pharma" will have the answers we so desperately need - But how do the heck should we get them? (the answers?) - kidnapping and interrogation of corrupt corporated scientists ?

I don't think they will tell us by free will! heck! most of them are so damn scared of loosing their jobs, so they keep real quiet - but it may change soon if just one brave soul of them are willing to give a public statement.

I mean, they can't all be rotten souls? or are they?

All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing. Those that stay silent are just as guilty as those behind whatever bizarre events are occuring.

So yes ...... they are *all* rotten souls.

All I know is that there are huge lines of people lining up to get the H1N1 where I live. It's been deemed safe and the only reason our kids didn't get one is because the line was too long.
And while I generally respect people's personal opinions on these things I will tell you this, when Polio, Whooping Cough, smallpox or any of the other illnesses that caused so much misery before vaccines came round start showing up again because you didn't get your kids vaccinated, I'm going to be upset and I for one will be happy to go to my PTA meetings and urge my School Principal to not allow unvaccinated kids into the classroom.
Spread our your vaccinations, your pediatrician will be happy to work with you on this, make sure you vaccines don't have Thimerosol, whatever it takes to make you comfortable with the idea but PLEASE, please get your kids vaccinated, to not do so is immature, irresponsible and just plain ignorant, and in this day and age it borders on abuse.
KE

My husbands Aunt whos over 60+ just went to get it (the swine flu vaccine) about 2 weeks ago now i believe, and shes been bed ridden, but alive since.. just not in good shape at all..

reply to post by kenochs


maybe instead of getting your kid shot up with a mysterious poison you should work on a nutritious lifestyle so there immune to these sicknesses? If your so unhealthy that you need to worry about swine flu or even any flu for that matter you have serious health problems.

Animals in nature don't get sick unless tampered with by humans, this should tell you something

Originally posted by praxis

Originally posted by Chevalerous

My level of trust for the authorieties is unfortunately really running low now! - only the engineers and scientists of "Big Pharma" will have the answers we so desperately need - But how do the heck should we get them? (the answers?) - kidnapping and interrogation of corrupt corporated scientists ?

I don't think they will tell us by free will! heck! most of them are so damn scared of loosing their jobs, so they keep real quiet - but it may change soon if just one brave soul of them are willing to give a public statement.

I mean, they can't all be rotten souls? or are they?

All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing. Those that stay silent are just as guilty as those behind whatever bizarre events are occuring.

So yes ...... they are *all* rotten souls.

Yes I am afraid that you could be totally right on this!

Maybe I am a little naive, thinking that they actually HAD souls to begin with


[edit on 2-11-2009 by Chevalerous]

Originally posted by kenochs
All I know is that there are huge lines of people lining up to get the H1N1 where I live. It's been deemed safe and the only reason our kids didn't get one is because the line was too long.

It's been deemed safe? You're kidding ..... right??

Do you actually trust these people? They can't even report honest numbers of cases. Look at the propaganda being distributed.

Originally posted by kenochs
And while I generally respect people's personal opinions on these things I will tell you this, when Polio, Whooping Cough, smallpox or any of the other illnesses that caused so much misery before vaccines came round start showing up again because you didn't get your kids vaccinated, I'm going to be upset and I for one will be happy to go to my PTA meetings and urge my School Principal to not allow unvaccinated kids into the classroom.

Spread out your vaccinations, your pediatrician will be happy to work with you on this, make sure you vaccines don't have Thimerosol, whatever it takes to make you comfortable with the idea but PLEASE, please get your kids vaccinated, to not do so is immature, irresponsible and just plain ignorant, and in this day and age it borders on abuse.

If we had integrity and honesty in government and big pharma, that would be one thing. Unfortunately these characteristics jumped ship long ago.

I'd say it is definitely abuse to inject poison solutions into your children's body when they contain unknown numbers of adjuvants and contaminates -- not just Thimerosol. Our children's immune systems and mental capacity are being challenged and wrecked by the barrage of garbage being produced by big pharma and sanctioned by an out-of-control government.

If you want to limit how far your children can go in life .... just keep pumping that poison into them. You can even have 'my' share.

Nurse Dies in Evansville Indiana

After reading this thread I went to our local paper and saw this article about a nurse that just died in Evansville with possible H1N1.

The question that I want to know is whether this nurse had the vaccine.

reply to post by whattheh


People does die every day and is not from vaccine, but people does die also after vaccinations and historical facts of the 76 mass vaccination for the swine flu tells that during the mass vaccination of 76 people started to die and become paralyzed in higher numbers than usual, prompting the government to stop the mass vaccination.

So yes the swine vaccine is been prof that it can cause sudden death and paralysis, still we have been mass vaccinated again 30 years later because the last generation doesn't remember.

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if you do a search there is more than just opinions i think, even doctors and the guys who run things say they are not getting it.
i seen him on fox news on you tube forgot his name and when the flu comes the vaccine is useless as its already mutated or so ive been told ,this is my opinion but their is proof

I would put a beton today with a bookie that all these kids who have had the course of vacs . wont c 35 years old without full blown something a diesease ,bet they all will be under a specialist those that are still here .. they are makeing sure health care will have a huge turnover in the future with perscriptions and doctor visits(just my gut feeling )

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So what should I do as far as having asthma? I'm talking hit the inhaler 2 - 4 times a day, every day type of asthma. Do I get the shot or don't I? Either way I feel as though I'm f*cked.