something strange happened last night

reply to post by guardstarr


Agree totally!

IGNORE - no value...derailing thread for everyone else...

What do all those negative scores mean on his profile...and why is he still around to comment? It's not like he says anything interesting...

A troll in a hoodie!

If one guy has been put off legitimately adding to ATS as a result, then that's just not fair.

I cant see what value a bloody pair of knuckles would have...it would all have to be anecdotal and our conclusions on anything paranormal need to be based on trust. Not on a picture that could be of anyone's knuckles..

So therefore, it aint important...unless you are seriously just trying to grab onto something to prove a point that's driven by an inadequate ego.

Mods...are any of you going to deal with this guy?

Originally posted by chillpill
I cant see what value a bloody pair of knuckles would have...it would all have to be anecdotal and our conclusions on anything paranormal need to be based on trust. Not on a picture that could be of anyone's knuckles..

You can't see what posting a timestamped image of a pair of ragged knuckles would have done for the credibility of the OP?

1. It would have been evidence that SOMETHING happened. Of course, this would only be evidence of his knuckles being battered, not that he did it during the incident.

2. The idea that the OP himself suggested that he could post faked images instead of posting actual images indicates that OP externalizes the imagery of the knuckles. Would someone who is being honest back himself up with claims of other ways he could be tricking us instead of merely showing the evidence?

3. His story comes on the heels of Paranormal Activity being the #1 movie.

In OP's story, there is a couple experiencing the paranormal originating in their bedroom. He reports standing by the bed with no memory of the event. Also report to have spoken to wife with no memory. Area above bed is a focal point of his story. He has a physical confrontation that ends in blood.

In Paranormal Activity, there is a couple experiencing the paranormal originating in their bedroom. Woman is seen standing by bed with no memory of event. Woman speaking to Man with no memory of event. Area above bed is a focal point of this movie. There is a confrontation in the movie that ends in blood.


Is no one else seeing these similarities?

reply to post by HankMcCoy


I am not getting at you Hank McCoy...I take your point there may be similarities between this and a film...but what ghost story doesn't?

It could be pure coincidence...it could be a barefaced lie...but I see no reason for the guy to lie...and see no real evidence of it.

It is absolutely appropriate to speculate that you believe it may be a direct parallel to a film...however, with respect to liquidsmoke, he aint speculating objectively.

I did a search on bruised knuckles to see if I could source a load of photos from the web...and yes, they are easy to source and hence easy to fake.

I still purport, that this would not be incontrovertible evidence of an event. Noone on ATS will put their face on a photo...so it could be from anywhere. It's wasted effort and is not adding anything...

This story may have parallels to a film. However, generally, there's very few subjects in film that are totally 'original' as the inspiration is often from life.

The amount of times I have been awoken by shadow people, or the bed shaking is pretty often...I have had poltergeist experiences...and this happens in films too.

Waking up, thinking you are fighting someone doesn't sound too far fetched to me - I woke up on all fours, growling and snarling like a dog at an entity I thought was in the room with me one night. (no, I am not certifiably insane...just a little psychic and seem to ask as a magnet for night-time visitors)...


Just because some of my experiences would be common to a film, doesn't mean to say I am lying about it.

It could be Fatdad may have seen the film and replayed it in his subconscious...it coming out in a dream in a "sleepfighting scenario". It could be he has a negative attachment playing with him...it could be anything...


I am taking this guy at face value (metaphorically) - I feel he has been unfairly attacked by another ATS "guiser".

Hank - am a fan of your posts. I offer you respect.

[edit on 3-11-2009 by chillpill]

reply to post by chillpill


Please do not take the remarks directed at you as anything other than finally seeing something posted in this thread that was worthy of discussion. You raised a point, and just in the way you did it, you helped me to formulate some of my own thoughts in a way that could be easily shared.

However, let's get back to the topic at hand!

1. Knuckles.

The inclusion of the knuckle evidence really wouldn't have meant anything empirically, I totally concede that idea. I still think it the OP's attitude is that of someone looking at the situation from outside. As if this is something that is happening to his friend, or (as I am inclined to believe) something he saw in a movie.

2. Movie

Here's the thing, it wasn't that his story was kind of like something in a ghost movie.. I listed several significant plot points that matched flawlessly and those points wouldn't match another ghost movie that I am aware of (Some of them, sure, but not all of them).

However, since OP has decided to vacate, I guess I should too.

[edit on 3-11-2009 by HankMcCoy]

to clear things up a bit..i didnt post a pic of my hands because i honestly didnt think of it until liquid smoke mentioned a picture..but rather than just ask for a picture he attacked me ..i would have posted a picture no problem...i did find blood marks on the carpet i first thought where blood dripping from my knuckles but on looking closer it could be from me punching the floor... i have never seen the paranormal film he talked about and hadnt heard of it until after he mentioned it..i dont go to cinemas... yes im on medication-anti depression tablets etc because my wife has breast cancer for the second time and is receiving chemo.. anyway this is the last i will speak of this thread as i think personal attacks belong in the playground..i just hope anyone with a paranormal story has an easier time...

Originally posted by fatdad
yes im on medication-anti depression tablets etc

DING!

We have a winner.

What is sad about this is that I am really intrested as I can relate to what the op is on about but because some people cant have any respect and come out with stupid coments, Lets here what he has to say before jumping on him.

for god sake, he was seeking advice not personal attacks.

Originally posted by HankMcCoy

Originally posted by fatdad
yes im on medication-anti depression tablets etc

DING!

We have a winner.

WTF! Im on nothing and i had something like tis happen to me.

reply to post by HankMcCoy


You just couldn't stop yourself, could you?

Fatdad - love to you and your wife.

I will have you in my thoughts tonight. I truly hope all goes well and she rids herself of the cancer.


Very best to you.

Originally posted by chillpill
reply to post by HankMcCoy

 

You just couldn't stop yourself, could you?

It's like people don't think before they post...

It's actually Hank's 6th Rule of ATS.

Hank's Book of Rules

 

Rule 6: It's the drugs.

I think this thread needs a little more of this:

grace - n.
1. Seemingly effortless beauty or charm of movement, form, or proportion.
2. A characteristic or quality pleasing for its charm or refinement.
3. A sense of fitness or propriety.
4.
a. A disposition to be generous or helpful; goodwill.
b. Mercy; clemency.
5. A favor rendered by one who need not do so

I love the concept of grace.

"think" on that...

[edit on 3-11-2009 by chillpill]

Originally posted by HankMcCoy

Originally posted by fatdad
yes im on medication-anti depression tablets etc

DING!

We have a winner.

I believe that was out of line, insensitive and a very ignorant comment. You maybe need to research why someone takes these medications and the benefits of taking them. Not everyone who takes them has a mental problem. I believe you owe him an apology. Seriously, you do. You even said yourself "people post things without thinking." That fits you to a tee. It's a wonder how anyone on this site gets any research done with eachother. People like you and liquidsmoke make it almost unbearable to post and communicate about these subjects. Maybe you guys need to learn to sit on your hands to prevent typing of rude, hurtful things. That being said I wish all the best to the OP and his wife and I hope you are able to find answers somewhere. Try the local library. I understand the books are better behaved than some of the posters here.

in case the OP shows back up here...

Just wanted to say keep your head up on this, as it seems you are doing.

It couldve been a million things, and several other posters offered helpful clues.

also, i hope everything works out as far as your wife's health and yours...as someone dealing with depression right now, without medication, i feel for you.

and i see the only reason the depression has anything to do with this is sideeffects of the medicine, not the depression itself.

but keep on keeping on man, and share anything else you may experience....and if you have the thought processes afterwards, get evidence to satisfy the d bags over here. i dont blame you for not thinking to take the pics.

Originally posted by guardstarr

Originally posted by HankMcCoy

Originally posted by fatdad
yes im on medication-anti depression tablets etc

DING!

We have a winner.

I believe that was out of line, insensitive and a very ignorant comment. You maybe need to research why someone takes these medications and the benefits of taking them. Not everyone who takes them has a mental problem. I believe you owe him an apology. Seriously, you do. You even said yourself "people post things without thinking." That fits you to a tee. It's a wonder how anyone on this site gets any research done with eachother. People like you and liquidsmoke make it almost unbearable to post and communicate about these subjects. Maybe you guys need to learn to sit on your hands to prevent typing of rude, hurtful things. That being said I wish all the best to the OP and his wife and I hope you are able to find answers somewhere. Try the local library. I understand the books are better behaved than some of the posters here.

Totally agree. People in glass houses and all that!

Mmmm…it seems that the situation is one of four things:
1) the OP is full of feces (doubtful, as he and his wife seem sincere)
2) the OP and his wife were both hallucinating (a possibility)
3) the OP and his wife were both having a simultaneous nightmare (a possibility)
4) it happened as the OP said (doubtful but anything's possible in any given person's reality)

fatdad – I wish you and your wife all the best…

Originally posted by HankMcCoy

Originally posted by fatdad
yes im on medication-anti depression tablets etc

DING!

We have a winner.

Usually Im one to call people out on hoaxes, but Im also on anti-depressant medication, have been for almost a year. They do not induce hallucinations or any mental side effects I know of, neither does depression

By the way OP, next time you have a story like this it should probably be posted in the "my story" forum. Just a heads up

[edit on 4/11/2009 by OzWeatherman]

reply to post by OzWeatherman


Anti-depressants can cause effects in some people, not directly but the brain chemistry can go a little wrong as i'm sure you're aware. My own aunt started seeing flashes of light after taking an antidepressant for 2 months.

Response to everyone who posted nasty comments


The factis that we seem to have an answer, maybe it was the medication and yet the poor OP was trampled all over. You will see me in all sorts of threads like this questioning the OP but the way people rip into someone needs to stop. If people don't believe a thread then they should question it logically or just leave it alone.

I'm getting really tired of the people who respond to trolls but more tired of the way any story, which can be explained if people are allowed to approach it logically without interruption by idiots, is ripped apart.

Its a shame, this was an interesting story the op was telling.

This may have been caused by the medication. The anti-depressants I have been on have had side-effects such as weird dreams. But this also may have been a real paranormal experience. None of us really know for sure.

Originally posted by guardstarr

Originally posted by HankMcCoy

Originally posted by fatdad
yes im on medication-anti depression tablets etc

DING!

We have a winner.

I believe that was out of line, insensitive and a very ignorant comment. You maybe need to research why someone takes these medications and the benefits of taking them. Not everyone who takes them has a mental problem. I believe you owe him an apology. Seriously, you do. You even said yourself "people post things without thinking." That fits you to a tee. It's a wonder how anyone on this site gets any research done with eachother. People like you and liquidsmoke make it almost unbearable to post and communicate about these subjects. Maybe you guys need to learn to sit on your hands to prevent typing of rude, hurtful things. That being said I wish all the best to the OP and his wife and I hope you are able to find answers somewhere. Try the local library. I understand the books are better behaved than some of the posters here.

Are you even reading what you post?

Are you honestly trying to say that he could be taking PSYCHOTROPIC MEDICATION for something other than a mental condition? Because if you are, you need to explain what else he could be taking PSYCHOTROPIC MEDICATION for.

Think about what you are posting before you post it.

I do not owe him an apology, as I have said nothing wrong, save for pointing out the very real idea that his PSYCHOTROPIC MEDICATION could be the reason for his problems. And if pointing out apparent flaws in others is wrong, then by that logic, you owe ME an apology as well.

Also, just because it seems to have been overlooked..

He is not only on Anti-Depression Medication. The Anti-Depression is merely one of the medications he is on. Too bad he wasn't a little more clear. I'm betting he hasn't been taking his latest medication all that long, and I bet it is a sleep aid.