Number of victims to unknown virus growing! State of emergency to be imposed in Ukraine?

If this flu is anywhere (which it is), it will be everywhere. In 1918, the Great Pandemic swept through almost every country, including very isolated ones that had little traveling to them. The reason why this happened is not known, but it could be that some animal - such as birds - carried it throughout the world.

Older people - past 50 - may have some immunity from an epidemic in 1957. It wasn't a severe epidemic, but apparently it was H1N1 flu. Lots of people got sick from it, and those people are likely to have some protection against this strain.

The reason that so many cases of H1N1 flu involve respiratory problems is simple. Flu is an upper respiratory infection. It hits you in the lungs. Some people wind up going into pneumonia after being weakened by the flu. Others (younger, healthier people) may experience a cytokine storm. That happens when the H1N1 causes the body's immune system to attack the patient's lungs. If this happens, severe damage can be caused by the body's immune system, instead of the virus. That's why young and healthy people are so vulnerable to that particular problem. Their immune systems are stronger and can do more damage.

As for the infections in Ukraine, I'm not convinced that they're not H1N1. Maybe they're not, but it just seems kind of funny that with H1N1 going around, suddenly we've got yet another upper respiratory illness that's spreading and killing people. Seems to be a bit of a stretch to me... but of course, I'm not a doctor, so my opinion doesn't have a whole lot of weight.

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Well I saw this but I thought we were looking for something related to the "unkown" virus not H1N1.

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I realize this is my first post, and I'm sorry for repeating it, this thread is not about the single swine flu death, it's about the 35 or so that have died from an unknown flu like virus, which could in fact turn out to be a mutated swine flu or something worse or might just be swine flu having a worse effect there due to some region specific reason.

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This is alarming because what if it starts popping up in other areas as well.

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Thanks Op this is very scarey.
Be well.
S&F the thread and posted to keep it at the top.

I found this ...

"Seven flu deaths have been reported in the Ternopol region, the only Ukrainian area having a flu epidemic, head of the regional health department Bogdan Onyskiv told a Tuesday press conference. Doctors explained the deaths of young and physically fit persons with flu complications. The flu epidemic in western Ukraine started two weeks ago, yet the type of the virus is still unknown. “It is possible to name the type of the flu only in ten days. Ukrainian and British doctors are making tests. The final results will be announced once a London laboratory confirms them,” Onyskiv said. The Ternopol region has over 10,000 flu cases. Public events are prohibited, and 109 schools with 42,000 students are under quarantine. Experts explain the early cold and flu outbreak with a sharp drop of temperatures a week before the beginning of the heating season. The region did not have flu epidemics for the past five or seven years. The local residents had no immunity from flu. An increase of the cold and flu rate was reported from all the Ukrainian regions, but the situation is generally stable, a source at the Ukrainian Health Ministry said. The rate is high in Chernigov, Lvov, Kiev, Vinnitsa, Dnepropetrovsk, Donetsk, Zaporozhye and Kharkov."

hisz.rsoe.hu...


Not quite as scary as some of the previously posted information.

So how many more people will take vaccines over this one?

Let's see...

- seasonal flu vaccine mercury + h1n1 vaccine mercury + this one vaccine mercury... lots of mercury in your system... lots of bad reactions causing deaths and all sorts of handicaps... + all the softer sides effects of cancer + Alzheimer increases...

I'm sure the eugenicists will be happy.

Just found this on whatreallyhappened.com

Link

He's got a couple other articles up about it too.

EDIT: Oh and move the map so you go WEST (LEFT) a ways

Holy sh...

EDIT: Another article about the situation this one with some pictures.

Link

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www.polskieradio.pl...

As 81,000 are diagnosed with flu in Ukraine and over 2,000 hospitalised, Poland’s health authorities are monitoring the outbreak carefully and ready to tale emergency measures.

Ukraine’s health minister has announced a state of emergency after thirty-three people died from an unknown flu virus in western Ukraine, near the Polish border.

Almost 1000 people, mainly from the Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk and Lviv Regions, infected with the virus have been hospitalized, including almost 500 children. Hundreds of people have been referred to medical centres and clinics with flu symptoms.

In 1918 they did not have the immunizations that we all have been given. Have these so called experts put any thought into that one?
Instead of scaring everyone. Those long lines for those flu shots are crazy. Peopke wait and then only to be told we ran out, sorry.

Now what are they going to do make another vaccine?

Why don't they just admitt that taking animal parts and putting it into humans can cause diseases from animals into humans. We were warned about this.

They won't stop using the valve from a pigs heart it is still being placed in humans.

Just think of all of the people out there who have a pigs valve and what they are going through.

Well this is great.
Can tell this is going to be a fun winter.

I bet it was Aunt Marysia's cruddy stew killing them all off. She should stay out of the kitchen!

I'm from Chisinau, the capital of Moldova, country bordering Ukraine. We had one lethal case of H1N1 recently. A man came from Poland and passed away. We're very close to Ukraine so there is a possibility of things getting bit uncomortable but, so far, everything is as per usual.

What I am about to add is the honest truth. My friend from work was awakened on Wednesday around midnight by her neighbor. Her neighbors 36 year old son had been sick with flu like symptoms. That was last Wednesday and by Friday was admitted into the hospital. He was rushed to a bigger city hospital and promptly quarantined with the H1N1 virus. By the Sunday he was in critical condition as his lungs had shut down. They injected him with Tamiflu and it broke the fever but his lungs had already shut down. Last I heard, he was on life support with machines basically keeping him alive. The doctor told his mother that he had never seen anything like this virus before and had no idea what to do!! Apparently his body is twice the size as normal because of all of the fluids in him. Heres the kicker- I live in Woodstock Ontario, about an hour West of Toronto. It is spreading like crazy. Maybe all of the mass graves will be used after all.......Population control is in full swing. Also, not sure if its common knowledge or not, and forgive me if its been posted already, but apparently all native americans (and native Canadians) are having severe reactions to the Tamiflu. Seems like the government is attacking the lower classes first.........

Originally posted by mkross1983
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Well I saw this but I thought we were looking for something related to the "unkown" virus not H1N1.

The article is very deceptive - as the picture is a person with a mask that says H1N1 and the article states it is an unknown virus. It's good to keep the people confused and guessing don't ya know...
mignews.com.ua...

Hype folks this is all hype. Agencies have stopped testing people for H1N1 and are being told to call every infection H1N1. The citizens are panicking and running to the hospital even if all they have is a runny nose. With all of these people showing up it looks as though thousands have it because they are all being told they do (without tests)

These hospitals are being overcrowded and some patients are getting

Hospital-acquired pneumonia Main article: Hospital-acquired pneumonia Hospital-acquired pneumonia, also called nosocomial pneumonia, is pneumonia acquired during or after hospitalization for another illness or procedure with onset at least 72 hrs after admission. The causes, microbiology, treatment and prognosis are different from those of community-acquired pneumonia. Up to 5% of patients admitted to a hospital for other causes subsequently develop pneumonia. Hospitalized patients may have many risk factors for pneumonia, including mechanical ventilation, prolonged malnutrition, underlying heart and lung diseases, decreased amounts of stomach acid, and immune disturbances. Additionally, the microorganisms a person is exposed to in a hospital are often different from those at home . Hospital-acquired microorganisms may include resistant bacteria such as MRSA, Pseudomonas, Enterobacter, and Serratia. Because individuals with hospital-acquired pneumonia usually have underlying illnesses and are exposed to more dangerous bacteria, it tends to be more deadly than community-acquired pneumonia. Ventilator-associated pneumonia (VAP) is a subset of hospital-acquired pneumonia. VAP is pneumonia which occurs after at least 48 hours of intubation and mechanical ventilation.

en.wikipedia.org...

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Beefcake, if its all hype then how do you explain what happened to my friends neighbor?

Another big thank you to the OP for providing such great info . Stay level-headed and informed mate.


Highly speculative idea here but is this virus possibly linked to the meteorite that touched down in Latvia this week?

I initially found it strange that on the doomsday date of Oct 26, a meteorite fell to earth and a guy was there with high quality camera to film it all.

Now im thinkin that with only 1,000kms (approx), Lithuania and Belarus separating Latvia from the Ukraine, that perhaps a strong downwind or some other anomalous cause could have carried a 'space bug' into the Ukraine resulting in this outbreak?


Kinda stupid in a way i know, but still, doesnt hurt to consider it.... Thoughts?

Originally posted by Jerbowski
Beefcake, if its all hype then how do you explain what happened to my friends neighbor?

Hype is causing the Hospital-acquired pneumonia and that is what people are dieing of. Because of the hype people are freaking out even if they only have a standard flu then they go to the hospital and catch Hospital-acquired pneumonia after being put on ventilators taht are full of bacteria and they die from it.

You didn't even read my post and you give me a line about your naighbour. Well sir i know at least 20 people who got this swine flu and it was nothing. So it comes down to my examples vs yours.

Some posters are always talking about personal experience and people they know i never do because first of all you have no idea if i am telling the truth or if i a work for drug companies and am coming on forums and scaring people in hopes it will get more people taking vaccines.

I don't believe any poster that talks about "a guy they know" or " a dude on their street" or "they work in a hospital and this happened"

I can only believe facts not what a random guy on the interweb said he was told. With most of these deaths coming from Pneumonia and there are a slew of people rushing to hospitals with the flu and being told it swine flu and never tested for it then to me it looks like Hospital-acquired pneumonia.

Read up on Hospital-acquired pneumonia there is tons of info on it and to me it looks like this is what they are dieing of.

Would it be better if i said

"A doctor i talked to told me it is Hospital-acquired pneumonia" there i guess it is truth now because i know a guy who said it."

Read my post next time before responding.

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Thanks you very much for the personal information, I don't want the swine flu vaccine as I know that is going to be worthless against the flu. But the pneumonia vaccine has been around for so long that I imagine the risk were already weighed.

But now I see that even the additives on vaccines are all the same so is not way to go around that one.

I guess I will be very careful now about my choices.