Number of victims to unknown virus growing! State of emergency to be imposed in Ukraine?

reply to post by Fromabove


Yes, but also I read that the pneumonia vaccine only protect for bacterial pneumonia no from viral pneumonia so the swine flu is a virus that will make the pneumonia viral.

I am a littler bit confused here.

reply to post by Koyaanisqatsi


Yeah. Because if *I* was going to release a created biological population control death virus, the place I would put it is the UKRAINE. A place known for the thousands upon thousands of people Globe trotting in and out of it daily, after they intermingle with people from all over the globe.

Or - I'd pick a winter holiday destination, and watch it spread throughout the World before anyone developed a cough.

But maybe I am just a much better evil genius.

Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by Fromabove

 

Yes, but also I read that the pneumonia vaccine only protect for bacterial pneumonia no from viral pneumonia so the swine flu is a virus that will make the pneumonia viral.

I am a littler bit confused here.

Possibly... but from what I understand the secondary complication is not viral but bacterial due to an over worked immune system and the shock to the body, leaving the body open for otherwise opportunistic pneumonia bacteria to get a foot hold.

reply to post by marg6043

Thank you.

Yes, I read about those cases from Fort Dix. Odd and very suspicious all round, that was.

We all know that the military use their own for guinea pigs, after all.

I wasn't implying in my post that no viruses are produced in labs by genetic engineering. After all, there is plenty of stuff on-line about this sort of work. So, there could well be dirty dealings going on.

It was just the poster's absurd, all-encompassing and ignorant statements that got to me...

You know how it is.

I know someone who claimed to having the swine flu, and she said that it came "with" pneumonia it was so fast.

reply to post by Fromabove


Thanks for the info, I think I will be making an appointment for that pneumonia vaccine after all, taking into consideration that is probably safer than the swine flu vaccine.

Ok,....for the fifth time I'll provide a link to the latest info on the situation in the Ukraine. NOT Swine Flu

RSOE EDIS Epidemic Hazaed in Ukraine

Situation Update No. 4
On 30.10.2009 at 12:16 GMT+2

05:39 p.m.

Doctors are calling on citizens not to vaccinate against influenza, because such vaccination in the midst of the epidemic may injure the health, coordinator of epidemic influenza in Lviv Miron Borysevich claimed at a press conference, proUA.com reports. "When an outbreak of influenza begins, nobody is being vaccinated. From the point of view of epidemiology this can not be done because it is harmful. It may harm the patient," - he said. At the same time, doctors advise not to communicate with people who are sick. If you have to contact with sick people, use flu masks.

A closed meeting has been held in Ivano-Frankivsk, at which participants agreed that epidemic of the so-called "pneumonic plague" is being spread throughout Ukraine. But the problem is its form is unknown, it is ATYPICAL nobody knows how to treat it.

PNEUMONIC PLAGUE has an acute course than other forms, over and is accompanied by a very high mortality rate. The incubation period of primary pneumonic plague rarely exceeds more than 1-4 days. It begins, as a rule, suddenly - with shivering, fever, headache, myalgia, weakness, nausea. The symptoms of pneumonia - cough with phlegm, chest pain, shortness of breath - usually appear on the second day of the disease. Blood spitting, growing respiratory disorders, heart failure, respiratory failure, shock are being observed. In primary pneumonic plague phlegm usually is watery or mucinous, foamy, with blood or visibly bloody. A secondary pneumonic plague occurs as interstitial pneumonia. Phlegm is scanty and more dense and viscous than in primary pulmonary plague. It is believed that in this regard, patients are less contagious.

As a reminder, yesterday, and on October 28 flu epidemic in the Ternopil Region, which had appeared a week ago, mowed down nearly 10,000 of residents. Moreover - unknown virus has already killed seven people. Ministry of Health has confirmed 20 deaths from pneumonia in Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk and Lviv Regions.

reply to post by JustMike


No, problem you know I have been following the history of the swine flu since 76 to today and more and more information keeps coming out of how we got back then and how the similarities and groups involved keeps showing up.

Sure, and I'll requote that it is.

Originally posted by Aeons
Lethal flu epidemic registered in Ukraine - Health Ministry

The A/H1N1 highly pathogenic influenza epidemic has been registered in Ukraine, Health Minister Vasyl Kniazevych has told the press on Thursday.
Two laboratories have confirmed this diagnosis: 11 cases out of 33 tests are recorded.

Kniazevych noted that out of 21 tests that have been examined at the Yanovsky Institute of Pulmonology and Phthisiology, seven A (Н1N1) cases are confirmed. Out of 12 tests studied by the Sanitary Epidemiological Service, four A (Н1N1) flu cases are confirmed.

Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by Fromabove

 

Thanks for the info, I think I will be making an appointment for that pneumonia vaccine after all, taking into consideration that is probably safer than the swine flu vaccine.

Good choice, but remember that they will insist you take the swine shot right then and there like they tried on me. The pneumonia vaccine has been tried and tested under the old standards and used for decades now. It's pretty much safe, and it will last ten years.

Heres a new interview with the preisdent of Ukraine on the situation.

www.isria.com...

If i was russian, like putin i would try to make sure that ukraine knows this has something to do with america.

We all know it does.

reply to post by SpaDe_


Perhaps this story provides some illumination:
www.ukranews.com...

I had referenced this Ukrainian news site because the English is far more readable than the other site. I was under the impression that a lot of the concern in this thread may come from a poor translation.

Poland closely monitors Ukraine flu epidemic

UPDATE - As 81,000 are diagnosed with flu in Ukraine and over 2,000 hospitalised, Poland’s health authorities are monitoring the outbreak carefully and ready to tale emergency measures.

www.polskieradio.pl... ws/international/artykul118988_poland_closely_monitors_ukraine_flu_epidemic.html

reply to post by Bcs8484


From your link.

Question number two, which I think is the result of failures in the question number one, particularly the failure to establish the Flue Center, is determining the type of the virus. Today only one thing pulls the Health Ministry and effective system of actions back – determining the type of the virus. In many cases this question remains unanswered. There are even experts, who suppose it is another modified virus - the differentiated virus between the "bird flu" and the "pig flu". But only the operative analysis would answer that. The flu, which the risk group is suffering from, should be identified.

They don't know yet what virus it is...

The President of the Ukraine states in the interview given that they have no idea what this epidemic is. YES they do have confirmed cases of the swine flu but that's not what thousands of people or the 33 that died from had. They DON'T know

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reply to post by marg6043


I just wanted to let you know that I found an article describing the pneumonia that accompanies the swine flu, it is bacterial and listed as a complication to the virus.

www.msnbc.msn.com...

Right folks - time for a typical Parallex review on this to stop you all from chasing your tails, and anything else you see that looks 'shiny'.

Listen up and listen good.

We have 4 point of interest here -
1) The Ukrainian elections are impending in January. From now until then is the key campaigning time for opposition parties to make their case. A crackdown on movement and civil liberties in the name of 'containment' is highly useful right now. If you all cast your memory back a few years, you will remember the massive civil disturbances that the Ukraine had, with the 'Orange Revolution' and the assassination attempts on good old Yuschenko.

2) 'Pneumonic Plague' was reported in a large-scale infection in a western Chinese city not long ago. Reports about the infection suggested the Chinese government put a MILITARY blockade all around the city, cutting it off completely. There were suggestions that the impact of this infection was terrible, especially given the fact that a media blackout ensued shortly after it happened and we haven't heard much since. Could it be that the disease that infected people there wasn't 'Pneumonic Plague' as such, but rather something more similar to what we are seeing now in the Ukraine and Sweden? The opposite could also be true, that the main culprit here is something more akin to Pneumonic Plague, and not the 'everyman' virus that seems to be H1N1 (the construct that it is).

3) As previously mentioned, the Ukraine has a good relationship with the west. I also remember from a previous thread that a ??Baxter?? Corp. laboratory in either Ukraine or Kazakhstan was tasked with producing a 'future' strain of the virus to use in developing a 'future-proof' vaccine. I beg the question, is there a connection in location, timeline and content of this subject?

4) As 'ButcherGuy' alluded to in his post, this forum post on FluTrackers -

www.flutrackers.com...

contains some interesting information. There appears to be attempts at 'Crop-Spraying' style biohazard containment. Allegedly they have been spraying from aircraft something that acts as an Anti-Viral. Now, I know for a fact that is complete bull - anti-virals from an aircraft for something like flu? That wont work, and even silly people could understand that.

Given that people have been quarantined inside their homes, and contained within special areas, could there be something else going on that noone is meant to see? This concerns me greatly, and I think we need more information from the ground on this subject - confirm or disprove.

Summary -

This isn't a good situation, as it presents 3 serious outcomes -
1) Is this a 'dry-run' martial law experiment for western governments to hone their skills upon? (Using Swine Flu as a patsy to justify it.)
2) Is there really a nasty, "I'm going to kill you all" disease out there?
3) What else has happened that is localised in the 9 quarantined oblasts? Nuclear radiation leak? (Hence the spraying?) Alien infestation? I guess noone can really know yet.

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reply to post by JustMike


OBVIOUSLY you didn't even go to the link and READ anything.

CHAPTER 2: THE SPANISH INFLUENZA EPIDEMIC OF 1918 WAS CAUSED BY VACCINATIONS

As has been stated before, all medical and non-medical authorities on vaccination agree that vaccines are designed to cause a mild case of the diseases they are supposed to prevent. But they also know and admit that there is no way whatsoever to predict whether the case will be mild or severe - even deadly. With this much uncertainty in dealing with the very lives of people, it is very unscientific and extremely dangerous to use such a questionable procedure as vaccination.

Many vaccines also cause other diseases besides the one for which they are given. For instance, smallpox vaccine often causes syphilis, paralysis, leprosy, and cancer. (See the chapters on smallpox and plagues.) Polio shots, diphtheria toxin-antitoxin, typhoid vaccine, as well as measles, tetanus and all other shots often cause various other stages of disease such as post-vaccinal encephalitis (inflammation of the brain,) paralysis, spinal meningitis, blindness, cancer (sometimes within two years,) tuberculosis, (two to twenty years after the shot,) arthritis, kidney disease, heart disease (heart failure sometimes within minutes after the shot and sometimes several hours later.) Nerve damage and many other serious conditions also follow the injections.

When several shots are given (different vaccines) within a few days or a few weeks apart, they often trigger intensified cases of all the diseases at once, because the body cannot handle such a large amount of deadly poison being injected directly into the bloodstream. The doctors call it a new disease and proceed to suppress the symptoms.

When poison is taken by the mouth, the internal defense system has a chance to quickly eject some of it by vomiting, but when the poisons are shot directly into the body, bypassing all the natural safeguards, these dangerous poisons circulate immediately throughout the entire body in a matter of seconds and keep on circulating until all the cells are poisoned.

I heard that seven men dropped dead in a doctor’s office after being vaccinated. This was in an army camp, so I wrote to the Government for verification. They sent me the report of U.S. Secretary of War, Henry L. Stimson. The report not only verified the report of the seven who dropped dead from the vaccines, but it stated that there had been 63 deaths and 28,585 cases of hepatitis as a direct result of the yellow fever vaccine during only 6 months of the war. That was only one of the 14 to 25 shots given the soldiers. We can imagine the damage that all these shots did to the men. (See the chapter on What Vaccinations Did to Our Soldiers.)

The first World War was of a short duration, so the vaccine makers were unable to use up all their vaccines. As they were (and still are) in business for profit, they decided to sell it to the rest of the population. So they drummed up the largest vaccination campaign in U.S. history. There were no epidemics to justify it so they used other tricks. Their propaganda claimed the soldiers were coming home from foreign countries with all kinds of diseases and that everyone must have all the shots on the market.

The people believed them because, first of all, they wanted to believe their doctors, and second, the returning soldiers certainly had been sick. They didn’t know it was from doctor-made vaccine diseases, as the army doctors don’t tell them things like that. Many of the returned soldiers were disabled for life by these drug-induced diseases. Many were insane from postvaccinal encephalitis, but the doctors called it shell shock, even though many had never left American soil.

The conglomerate disease brought on by the many poison vaccines baffled the doctors, as they never had a vaccination spree before which used so many different vaccines. The new disease they had created had symptoms of all the diseases they had injected into the man. There was the high fever, extreme weakness, abdominal rash and intestinal disturbance characteristic of typhoid. The diphtheria vaccine caused lung congestion, chills and fever, swollen, sore throat clogged with the false membrane, and the choking suffocation because of difficulty in breathing followed by gasping and death, after which the body turned black from stagnant blood that had been deprived of oxygen in the suffocation stages. In early days they called it Black Death. The other vaccines cause their own reactions — paralysis, brain damage, lockjaw, etc.

When doctors had tried to suppress the symptoms of the typhoid with a stronger vaccine, it caused a worse form of typhoid which they named paratyphoid. But when they concocted a stronger and more dangerous vaccine to suppress that one, they created an even worse disease which they didn’t have a name for. What should they call it? They didn’t want to tell the people what it really was — their own Frankenstein monster which they had created with their vaccines and suppressive medicines. They wanted to direct the blame away from themselves, so they called it Spanish Influenza. It was certainly not of Spanish origin, and the Spanish people resented the implication that the world-wide scourge of that day should be blamed on them. But the name stuck and American medical doctors and vaccine makers were not suspected of the crime of this widespread devastation — the 1918 Flu Epidemic. It is only in recent years that researchers have been digging up the facts and laying the blame where it belongs.

Some of the soldiers may have been in Spain before coming home, but their diseases originated in their own home-based U.S. Army Camps. Our medical men still use that same dodge. When their own vaccines (required for travel) cause vaccine diseases abroad they use this as grounds for a scare campaign to stampede people into the vaccination centers. Do you remember the Hong Kong Flu and the Asian Flu and the London Flu scares? These were all medically-made epidemics mixed with the usual common colds which people have every year.

Now (1976) we are being worked on again by the vaccine -epidemic makers in their effort to force another multi million dollar vaccine sale caper. Their con men have already talked President Ford into handing over $135 million dollars to start their vaccine racket. Even the insurance companies refused to become involved with such an obviously dangerous and crooked scheme. So, again the medical and drug con men induced the appropriate government officials to guarantee insurance against the, possible billions of dollars in law suits which could be brought against the vaccine promoters if the vaccine campaign is carried out as planned. It’s a good thing Ford was voted out of office. It’s too bad he wasn’t "dumped" before he paid the poison squad the MONEY’ to poison the whole population. However, we don’t yet know if President Carter will be any better. Will he be held in the grip of the medical and drug dictatorship? Or will he investigate — learn the truth — reverse the decisions and make the vaccine makers return the money taken from the taxpayers under false pretenses?

The statement of the swine flu vaccine promoters to the effect that the vaccine is harmless, is false, and the statement that it will protect against flu is false. Fifty-six people died after the shots, some within 48 hours. There is confusion and disagreement among the doctors about all aspects of the vaccine, from the safety and effectiveness to the necessity for it, who should have it and who should be warned against it.

Their scare-head campaign cry is that the swine flu is like the 1918 flu which killed 20,000,000 people. They don’t have any usable and provable blood samples from the 1918 flu epidemic to prove it. That was 58 years ago, and the doctors were just as confused and inefficient then as now. However, one thing is certain — the 1918 Spanish Influenza was a vaccine-induced disease caused by extreme body poisoning from the conglomeration of many different vaccines. The soldiers at Fort Dix who were said to have had Swine Flu had been injected with a large variety of vaccines like the vaccines which caused the 1918 flu epidemic. The flu epidemic at Fort Dix was in no way related to swine. There were no swine at camp (unless we want to sarcastically call the vaccine promoters who caused the diseases -"swine.")

To add to the confusion, the doctors tell the people that there are a lot of various kinds of flu; the one which the soldiers at Fort Dix had was AVictoria flu, there are other strains of flu virus, and also, that the swine flu vaccine which so many people have taken already will not protect them against the many other types of flu. This will be used as an "out" in case of law suits later on when more casualties begin to show up. The doctors will say that the vaccine failed because it was the wrong kind of flu for the vaccine. Of course, no one can prove it one way or the other because viruses are illusive, invisible organisms which are unstable and unpredictable. One dictionary definition of virus is "a morbid poison." The vaccines injected into the body are poison and cause the typical poison reactions. Virus (poison) does not fly around and attack people.

Therefore, there will be no swine flu epidemic unless the vaccine promoters make one like they did in the 1918 flu epidemic. It will not kill 20,000,000 people unless the people submit to the disease-producing shots. There are also, other causes of disease besides vaccines, such as bad food, which has been devitalized and contaminated with poison preservatives and artificial drug concoctions. There are many more causes of disease but no diseases are contagious(See the chapter on the germ theory).

Vaccine drives come and go as often as the vaccine promoters can cook up the slightest pretense of a reason.n Back in1957 they were trying to stir up a vaccination campaign for what they decided to call Asiatic flu. An editorial in the Herald and Express for August 29, 1957 was captioned, "Fear of Flu Propaganda." Part of the piece is as follows:

"What a tempest in a teapot has been blown up over the probability that this country will experience an epidemic of the Asiatic flu in the fall and winter months ahead.

"Even the United States Department of Health is stooge for the panic — and has issued statements which are frightening the public, rather than reassuring them by pointing out that this epidemic, while widespread, gives no indication of being any more dangerous than our usual flood of influenza-like colds when winter comes on.

"Those who read between the lines even wonder whether the whole thing might not be a bit of super salesmanship on the part of those who are making and selling the vaccines which are being prepared.. . ."

Could be bad, but take into consideration the population density of Ukraine, at 75 million. 30 deaths seem insignificant by comparison. That would be comparable to 150 deaths in the US.

Current fatality rate for H1N1 worldwide is reported to WHO at 1.29%. www.who.int... with 5700 deaths worldwide. Normal seasonal flu in the US kills 37000 per year. H1N1 is reported to be slightly higher than seasonal flu. www.bio-medicine.org...

If the Ukraine viral infection is unique, we will know soon after results from London.