We're headed for Full Enlightenment!

Originally posted by autowrench
reply to post by DragonriderGal

 

I don't think the Greys brought us into what we know as life, or sentience, but I do think the Grey are creations of those who created our human bodies. I think it was the Sirius Race that offered Spirit to these bodies, at the behest of, wait for it...the Dolphins, who happen to be the highest order of beings on this world.

Well, maybe it wasn't the greys, but it sure looks like the greys in the 'garden of Eden' (in the racial unconscious) to me. They were worried about going extinct and wanted to store their little unwilling-to-reincarnate spirits somewhere where they could still get some work out of 'em, so they brought us humans into sentience in the process of creating a body they considered adequate for that purpose. Gives you a micro-glimpse into the problem though, doesn't it??

In my connection, I usually don't get names for things or places. Even the Jue-sah's name was given to me by the greys that I talk with out in the spirit realm. So as to who is from Sirius or the Pleiades's (thus far the correlation of information seems to make that the blues) or whatever is something I don't usually know. I just know the various physical characteristics, their histories, that sort of thing about the aliens, but not usually the planet/constellation's name they come from.

I can see the dolphins being brought here from one of the elven worlds. They were escorted here in what look to be big, almost opaque, white containers on some sort of floating device. But yes, they are highly intelligent and definitely sentient! They were delighted to get a whole new and beautiful world to play in, and the water buffers them from getting sucked into human bodies; always a plus.

The way it was shown me is a wave coming from the center of our Galaxy toward planet Earth. This wave will change everyone at one time. All of the human race will "die" in an instant, and will suddenly enter the Spirit World. Things will be different here, folks, make no mistake about it. What you THINK, IS at once. Think of an orange, one will appear in your hand, ready to peel, and eat. Think of a Demon, one will appear, ready to torture you, or whatever you believe it will do to you. Beginning to get the picture?

Definitely yes, I see the idea of instant manifesting. Once we make full enlightenment, that will be how it is. There is a problem in the world? We will simply think it dealt with and it will be, that sort of thing, right?

I don't see the higher energy frequency thingy moving much though; it is more that we are moving into it, and then out of it again, and then in a couple of eon back into it again. I don't think humanity was sentient the last time this planet went thru it. From what I see/sense, this is a repeating cycle, like from a rotation of the galaxy thing.

If your emotional body is dragged down with anger, greed, strife, sloth, or religious beliefs, you will not last long here. In one vision, I saw a church, and inside were all of the parishioners being tortured by their own demons, each one had a little pitchfork in hand, just like the pictures I used to see in Sunday school class.

Hum... not that it wouldn't be delightful if that were the case, since so many of those religious types are soooooo exceedingly annoying, unfortunately I don't see it being so drastic. I am always a bit leery of information given thru an external and alien source. I never quite trust the aliens to be truly objective or altruistic. Because, from anything I can see, they aren't. If I were you, I would ask how giving you this information is for their benefit as well as ours. If they can't or won't answer, or get 'offended' or try to brush you off, be more than a little suspicious, eh?

Several good points made here, DragonriderGal. I have counselled many women, and helped to empower them, and have seen the damage rape and abuse does to a female. I blame directly religion for making woman the servant of man, and making woman the bearer of all things evil. The ones who thought this concept up is destined for something rather hot and smoky, I'm afraid. It is time to place the Goddess, represented by womanhood, back on her Throne.

I think definitely it wasn't in the NWO's best interest to allow women to be honored because they could see into the spirit realm much more easily than men. We are so much better connected to the right brain which is where the racial unconscious and spirit realm is connected. So they had to discredit and minimize women and their intuition. Voila! A male god and the men are god's representatives here on earth. Problem take care of. Blah.

I too am afraid the fundamentalist religious types will never make it to the after life of any of it's joys. I was shown that the soul material from most humans upon death is collected. and made to be neutral. The term "Well of Souls: came from this. Have you seen some of these new Churches? The look like a fortress designed to keep people in, not out. Cameras and everything.

And nope, that type won't get anywhere in their efforts to be more spiritual and make enlightenment. The religion was very specifically designed to prevent that, and to keep as much of western civilization's population as submissive and docile/biddable as possible.

[End part one]

Originally posted by autowrench

[Part two]

You will be OK. Those who need it will be cocooned and cared for for a time while the healing can take place. At first there will be many, I think, but as you begin to form your "world" only those whom you wish to keep will remain, along with the "things" you keep to entertain yourself. For myself, I was shown a bedroom, way up high in a very old mansion. The bedspread was very colorful, and I was told that a grandmother from another time and place had made it for me. On the walls were weapons from many times, from bows/arrows to swords to rifles, they hung there like trophys. there were a lot of books there too, but I didn't have a chance to look at them closely. The tree women who showed me these things have been a part of my life since early childhood. I used to call them, "the Aunts," for that is what they seem to be. They work before a very large and highly polished green stone, like a big emerald. I think they guide me somehow. There are other guides too, we al have them. Just most pay no attention to anything that prys they from their comfortable place.You will be OK. Those who need it will be cocooned and cared for for a time while the healing can take place. At first there will be many, I think, but as you begin to form your "world" only those whom you wish to keep will remain, along with the "things" you keep to entertain yourself. For myself, I was shown a bedroom, way up high in a very old mansion. The bedspread was very colorful, and I was told that a grandmother from another time and place had made it for me. On the walls were weapons from many times, from bows/arrows to swords to rifles, they hung there like trophys. there were a lot of books there too, but I didn't have a chance to look at them closely. The tree women who showed me these things have been a part of my life since early childhood. I used to call them, "the Aunts," for that is what they seem to be. They work before a very large and highly polished green stone, like a big emerald. I think they guide me somehow. There are other guides too, we al have them. Just most pay no attention to anything that prys they from their comfortable place.

I do think you are right. I will be ok. But I don't get any sense that there will be any other species there to 'help' us. None of them are going to make enlightenment; it is pretty much up to us to do what we need to do for ourselves as we grow. Your description of that mansion though, sounds almost past life; do you remember any btw??

And it is very interesting that you had the guidance of the tree women. Those are the tree sylphs and they usually work for the elves, which says to me that they are keeping an eye on you. I would guess that you are someone of import to the elder races, if not the elves themselves.

Also, for most, an answer from any being other than look just like the popular depiction of Jesus Christ (brown straight hair/beard, soft dark complexion) then is must be Satanic.
In my lifetime I have tried to tell Christian people of the things I see and hear, and they are all the same. If it wasn't Jesus, it was Satan, or one of his demons, plain and simple.

Part of the appeal for these folks. It is simple; no complex thinking involved. No wrangling with complex spiritual issues, no having to figure out what you really consider 'truth'. Nope. Just take out of the box.. er bible, and use. It is all prepackaged to be easy to do albeit at the cost of your very self-hood.

I commend you for such a good post. It is time these things were known, and I say let the cards fall where they may. all we can do it tell them, if they refuse to listen, that is their problem, and I shall not worry for them.

Yes, I agree. The NWO wants us all afraid and feeling doomed, and well, I am just not down with that, especially since I can see it is all a lie.

[edit on 29-10-2009 by DragonriderGal]

Originally posted by Tomis_Nexis

Originally posted by unityemissions
reply to post by Tomis_Nexis

 

I know very, very little. The reason I'm trying so hard to break down this guys beliefs

Well I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but I learned something, that I was wrong and you know very little. Just as you know very little about the person who's beliefs you are trying to break down.

What was that motto for ATS, Deny Ignorance? I think they should toss in Deny Arrogance too.

Yes, I agree. That would take out most of the trollish types, for sure! Or at least those who think they know it all and think if you don't agree with their 'NWO spun 'factoids', you must be an idiot. *lol*

Originally posted by Tryptych
Be nice boys & girls

As discussed in several topics on this sub-forum before, I don't actually believe in "total" enlightenment, i think it is a process. We are always heading towards that divine knowledge (or some people the opposite).

That actually keeps me ticking: think about it if enlightenment was some absolute state? Wouldn't that be disappointing?

Running bare foot on water..

It will just be a new state to grow from. The lessons don't end; we just graduate out of grade school type lessons.

I had a strong end-of-the-world kind of dream last night. I dreamt there was a great storm that destroyed everything, and eveything of value on earth, like precious metals like gold and silver, were being "drawn up" in large vortixes of energy. It's a bit hard to explain, but it was very understandable at the time. We were all a bit scared, but it was like we weren't really hurt and were flying around in the air like spirits watching it all. Everything was destroyed, except from movies and photographs, and I explained to someone it was because they were recorded in some way.

Well, that was what my subconsicence made up, but I honestly don't know what is going to happen. There seems to be so many conflicting messages given to us at this time it's impossible to know which one is right and no one seems really clear about it.

Originally posted by DragonriderGal

I do think you are right. I will be ok. But I don't get any sense that there will be any other species there to 'help' us. None of them are going to make enlightenment; it is pretty much up to us to do what we need to do for ourselves as we grow. Your description of that mansion though, sounds almost past life; do you remember any btw??

And it is very interesting that you had the guidance of the tree women. Those are the tree sylphs and they usually work for the elves, which says to me that they are keeping an eye on you. I would guess that you are someone of import to the elder races, if not the elves themselves.

[edit on 29-10-2009 by DragonriderGal]

Actually, I made a typo there, should have been "three" women, not tree women. I don't think they lived in a tree. The house, or mansion i spoke of is from a past life, a long way back there. It is a family home, and my real family is legion, for we are many. The Aunts do not really guide me, more like appear to keep me from trouble, and the oldest one, a red head of about 60 has done on numerous occasions. As I also said, there are others, but those I will not go into, for it lends nothing to the post. We all have these family spirits, they are with us always. I have to agree on the Elfin Race bringing the Dolphins here. Modern civilization has forgotten the Elfin Race of people, but they were here long before we were. I have never actually seen a Dolphin, but I feel an affinity for them.

Yep.... full enlightenment, talking to an indian, going on shamanistic journeys with your power animals....

And yet you still talk about the NWO and their attempts to thwart our full enlightenment....

I propose that you, sir, are leading yourself on a very powerful delusion.

The NWO ain't nothin'. They certainly aren't supressing your ability to become enlightened. If anything, they've showered all forms of media with little hints and clues, for anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear. Anyone is welcome to join Masonry or any other Order and learn their "secrets". Matter of fact, you don't have to join even! You can just research and pretty much initiate yourself into the mysteries.

The NWO theories are the anti-thesis of this chance we've been provided here in America to enlighten ourselves. You know what's the only thing that kills enlightenment? Ignorance, and fear of discomfort in the process. Not many pople wish to truly change their way of being. Change requires death of old things, and pain, loss, and acceptance of new things. People don't like that.

The "people at the top" range from nefarious to saint-like... and ya know what? The nefarious only prey on the gullible. The saint-like stay quiet because frankly, good riddance to the gullible. They would just as soon kill Jesus, the gullible, than hear what he had to say.

I know because every time I have attempted to tell someone that they are not a victim, they slash back at me like I just killed their baby or something. Their little baby victimhood. The only people who will bring about an Orwellian State are the ignorant fools who wish to become victims of it to justify their distaste/lack of motivation for the current system and the limited novelty it provides them with. Innstead of taking responsibility for what THEY have caused to come about, they weave together a complex web of lies which they bring into existence simply to spite themselves, so they can continue looking for a savior who isn't coming... because if the savior were to save the ignorant, the only good a savior would be doing is postponing their lesson in truth for another maybe century or so. So eff the dam savior.

The truth hurts. We're willing to feel hurt when we can blame it on shadowy make believe myths and stay exactly as delusional as we once were perhaps in a different flavor....

But the fact that we only hurt ourselves ALWAYS with NO EXCEPTION TO THAT RULE is a little too inconvenient for most to bear.

You choose to react.... or you choose to act. Light working is not enough. Your power animals can't magically fix the fact that decent people are not taking physical action towards uniting and creating their revolutions. We're all just supposed to wait til "enlightenment" is granted upon us by some so said benevolent gods from space.

What a goddang cryin shame! Instead of expressing their will in this world, most "enlightened" people choose to wank around in their own false inner delusions.

You don't have to be some magical clairvoyent wizard battling some shadowy supergovernment to be enlightened. Just frickin be in this world to a higher standard than the mediocre and apathetic, and slowly but surely... that will be enough.

No council of light required. matter of fact, pleasae do not take counsel from anyone other than your own understanding.... okay? If a light being comes along and reiterates something you allready knew to be relevant in the first place, you can exhert your Will and say to that redundant piece of crap "I already knew that. I don't need you or your powers to save the world. I don't even need to save the world or preach the good word or shoot lasers from my hands. I just need to be, to have a motivation to do something positive, and to lead by example and compassion."

End of story.

The devil wears prada.

[edit on 29-10-2009 by dunwichwitch]

EDIT: the OP did not mean to offend. I think I may have called you sir when you are actually a madame.

[edit on 29-10-2009 by dunwichwitch]

Originally posted by unityemissions
reply to post by DragonriderGal

 

My apologies. I misinterpreted what you wrote. It's obvious we're not going to change each others mind. I'm willing to agree on disagreeing.

Take care.

Btw, facts are independent of any one individuals perception. That's just not true. If data were a belief, it would be an assumption. Facts are not assumptions.

Lastly, I've decided not to comment on any further threads that include enlightenment or spirituality. I don't mean to be arrogant or put my views above others. I'm simply very concerned with what the factual data points out as our probable future.

[edit on 29-10-2009 by unityemissions]

You are right. You aren't going to influence me with the same old lines of 'no proof', and "I have all the 'facts'". Man, it is like you guys all run off this same old script. I can't tell you how many times I have heard that old saw, almost word for word. If not intentional, then it should point out how brainwashed and locked in the same box you all are.

AS for there ever being proof that validates any of this, the NWO will not allow the technology to be developed to 'validate' any of the psychic/spiritual stuff. Period. So, ultimately, realizing that what is allowed to be 'proven' is actually being controlled every bit as much as the news media controls what we 'know' about everything else, you need to get over the idea that 'proof' actually is 'proof'; it is just more manipulation. It is the new 'religion' for the 'educated' masses, but with the same message underlying it; don't question things. Just believe what your local priest.. er I mean scientist tells you! It can't be PROVEN because I, your local expert/scientist/talking head/authority figure, say SO! You need look no further than the tobacco industry 'research' debacle to see how that sort of thing works.

And anytime something runs thru your head, what comes out is strictly your opinion about whatever 'fact' you may be espousing. Data is always processed thru your head and the filters of beliefs therein, and such it will always your opinion. Sorry. And just because a lot of people hold the same opinion doesn't make it right; it simply makes it common, probably because it is what the NWO wants people to believe.

And what seems lacking is your understanding of the information you are basing this all on. You have been taught not to question, so I guess you can't be blamed, but the info you are using is totally biased and spun by the NWO bunch aka Illuminati aka neo-zionists aka masons aka U.N. aka all sorts of other top level organizations they have gained control over. If you realize they have been at this particular plan since the early 1900s, that they have gotten so deeply entrenched in so many power positions isn't that surprising, or at least shouldn't be.

But that's enough for now. I will be back, tomorrow to address the rest of the stuff.

Good Night!

Yawn. These 'enlightenment' posts are all the same. No proof, you guys use the same crap that the Pope does to push your agenda - faith. Oh that's right, I am negative and have too many dark spots on my soul so I won't be vibrating into the next dimension with the rest of you guys. What a burden it is to live in the real world, and require a shred of evidence to believe something to be true.

Come on, let's hear the standard pat responses. You can't show me your newfound powers of enlightenment because my negativity stops you from flowing the positive energy to do your yoga bouncing. My need for evidence is proof of just how much the NWO has conspired with the Grays to pollute our spirits with this silly 'science' nonsense.

reply to post by KaiBosh




We all have dark spots on our soul. The ultimate corruption comes from not embracing your dark side and understanding that you, too, ARE the psycho killer.

We all have demons living inside of us. The difference between insanity and balance is integration of both poles of the spectrum. Focusing on one pole exclusively results in a tailspin...

It's like building a tower with complete disregard for gravity. Doomed to collapse into ruin and chaos. The higher you go without taking the gravity into conideration, the harder and deeper the fall will be.

Originally posted by KaiBosh
Yawn. These 'enlightenment' posts are all the same. No proof, you guys use the same crap that the Pope does to push your agenda - faith. Oh that's right, I am negative and have too many dark spots on my soul so I won't be vibrating into the next dimension with the rest of you guys. What a burden it is to live in the real world, and require a shred of evidence to believe something to be true.

Come on, let's hear the standard pat responses. You can't show me your newfound powers of enlightenment because my negativity stops you from flowing the positive energy to do your yoga bouncing. My need for evidence is proof of just how much the NWO has conspired with the Grays to pollute our spirits with this silly 'science' nonsense.

It's a kind of impossible to PROVE spirituality. It comes from within your self and it's different for everyone. This thread is about dragon's intuitive feelings/idea's about the new jump in our evolution. I don't know why people must be so judgmental about this subject. Personally I DO believe something positive is going to happen. I hope this thread hasn't drained your energy dragongal, try to keep your vibration up girl! Don't give in to very many responses to this thread, they'll bring you down.

unityemission, I bid you good luck in your quest for extinction. We are all entitled to our own self created destinies, so have fun once in awhile, smile some buddy. Because we just might not make it!

Love & Peace to all you ATSers.

Omnipresence

Although your post is interesting, I would have to say, that its quite disagreeable.
I dont think it comes down to religious choice. Jeez, if that were the case, then a rather high percentage of us on this Earth will definitely not make the shift. And, to me that defeats the purpose of this whole experience.
As stated by a previous poster, everyone has "dark spots" on their souls, and to be frank, that is how we learn. If everything was roses for us, then what was the point, what would there be to experience, to learn.
To be honest, from what I have read, and experienced in my dreams and from meditations, I see things differently. To me it comes down to what and who you are.
Love will bring us all through, and larf as much as you like, to me this is the truth also, amongst many other things.
But, I also feel that the experience for each and everyone one of us, even though connected as brothers and sisters in soul, certainly will be an individual experience.
I once read about a wise man, that had passed onto the other side. He was quite old, and was coming to talk about the experience of passing on, and I would like to compare this to the shift, if I may.
He talked about religion and belief, and that this is what makes a huge impression on us when it comes to passing over and the experience we will have.
If your belief structure is based on the notion that when you pass on there will be a bright light down a long tunnel, then that is what you will get. But on the other hand, if you see a life in Valhalla, then that is what you will experience, and so on. Until you reach a point where you its time for you to move onto the next level....
So in turn do you not think, that the experience of this shift would be very different for everyone, based on what their belief structure has taught them - whether or not it was taught by the nwo, to me, its not based on what you believe its the person you are.
That said, it was again, an interesting post.

Originally posted by DragonriderGal
Now the NWO knows this is our destiny, and they are doing their damnest to block it happening for us, because if you have been reading my other threads, you will know that they believe they should have us for their servants/slaves because they were promised us by the greys, who brought us into sentOriginally posted by DragonriderGal

First off, 20 responses before threading is a real pain in the .. yu know. WOW! I like the blocking part, in a spiritual sense. The NWO is overboard. Limits you to the , well ridiculous authors of the day, who wrote those novels for, yes, profit. You know, to pay bills.

Originally posted by DragonriderGal
They know once we start being able to shift into our light/spirit bodies, they've lost us and going to be liable for failing the contract they signed with our racial unconscious 300,000 + years ago. It is gonna get ugly for them; actually the tribulation in the bible is THEIR tribulation because of that failure to enslave 80% of humanity. So, if we just stay out of the way, we should be fine, for the most part, especially if we manifest personal safety and safety for those people and things we value.
Originally posted by DragonriderGal

Have you ever tried to stay out of the way of an 88mm shell? Doesn't work well. How about a .308 rnd? Thats the tribulation in the Bible, in a nutshell of course. Where do you get the 300,000+? I like the plus. I get the spiritual shift - bad guys have to stop that from happening and all that, but you still preachin "curl up in the corner and no one will kick you" philosophy.

Nope you still gonna get kicked, it's how much meddle you show when you or others are gettin kicked.

reply to post by vincere1


That's a nice set of quotes you've compiled there. Care to comment? I bet he was reading them and was like lol!

Love & Peace ATS'ers

Omni

Originally posted by The_Seeker
Although your post is interesting, I would have to say, that its quite disagreeable.
I dont think it comes down to religious choice. Jeez, if that were the case, then a rather high percentage of us on this Earth will definitely not make the shift. And, to me that defeats the purpose of this whole experience.
As stated by a previous poster, everyone has "dark spots" on their souls, and to be frank, that is how we learn. If everything was roses for us, then what was the point, what would there be to experience, to learn.
To be honest, from what I have read, and experienced in my dreams and from meditations, I see things differently. To me it comes down to what and who you are.
Love will bring us all through, and larf as much as you like, to me this is the truth also, amongst many other things.
But, I also feel that the experience for each and everyone one of us, even though connected as brothers and sisters in soul, certainly will be an individual experience.
I once read about a wise man, that had passed onto the other side. He was quite old, and was coming to talk about the experience of passing on, and I would like to compare this to the shift, if I may.
He talked about religion and belief, and that this is what makes a huge impression on us when it comes to passing over and the experience we will have.
If your belief structure is based on the notion that when you pass on there will be a bright light down a long tunnel, then that is what you will get. But on the other hand, if you see a life in Valhalla, then that is what you will experience, and so on. Until you reach a point where you its time for you to move onto the next level....
So in turn do you not think, that the experience of this shift would be very different for everyone, based on what their belief structure has taught them - whether or not it was taught by the nwo, to me, its not based on what you believe its the person you are.
That said, it was again, an interesting post.

Hey Seeker, excellent addition to the thread! I very much agree with you on your belief about how whatever someone believes will be what they will experience during this "shift." It's going to get very very very interesting to be on Earth during this transition. Think about, all these different people with different beliefs all manifesting into the collective as we head out of duality. Duality has served it's purpose as a lesson for learning, and I'm really ready to experience something else! Lol! Go go 2012!! WOOT!

Love & Peace ATS'ers

Omni

Originally posted by v01i0
Nothing new under the sun. How many people before you in far, far away past have been saying the same? I won't start counting them, instead I just say that this is - or rather might be - a positive collective fantasy in contrast to all the negative collective fantasies we see here on ATS and world generally.

I guess you are positive person and there's nothing wrong with it, carry on with high hopes. I personally doubt full enlightenment, either personal or collective. There will always be idiots as well as decent people, as long as either decides to extinct the another.

I personally head open-minded towards the future, will it be total enlightenment or total extinction - it doesn't matter. We are such small part in vast existence that our destiny doesn't really matter in larger scale. Neither it doesn't make difference for me. The future is then, and what it will be, I cannot but accept it.

-v

very true....
"the night is darkest just before the dawn", and frankly, we aint even close to dawn, cause things can get much worse for us as a species. its a pipe dream that all our problems will be gone in 3 years time. please, we are not talking about a few people, this is the whole globe. No ascension or #fing your "enegry". It is a delusion of the mind. There is no evidence of this and that it even can happen. So unless you show me evidence of it being able to happen, there is no way the globe will be able to do this "magical" thing. Dont tell me your dreams told you...
The OP speaks of asking "all I had to do was ask a question, or wonder about something and direct it towards the racial/collective unconscious, and they would send me answers. " hmm... ok..here goes. "Am i going to be American president?" mmmm....YES! HAHA!!! And im not even american. Sorry guys, Evidence please, as so many thread posters in previous threads have asked for...and none has been provided.
Now, lets move on

Originally posted by KaiBosh
Yawn. These 'enlightenment' posts are all the same. No proof, you guys use the same crap that the Pope does to push your agenda - faith. Oh that's right, I am negative and have too many dark spots on my soul so I won't be vibrating into the next dimension with the rest of you guys. What a burden it is to live in the real world, and require a shred of evidence to believe something to be true.

Come on, let's hear the standard pat responses. You can't show me your newfound powers of enlightenment because my negativity stops you from flowing the positive energy to do your yoga bouncing. My need for evidence is proof of just how much the NWO has conspired with the Grays to pollute our spirits with this silly 'science' nonsense.

LOVE it!!!!

Good post! Personally I don't think we are at the stage of humanity to see it this way. While hoping for a enlightenment is good, It's also like going out of a limb and believing Jesus will come back. I've also thought something has got to enlighten and inform humanity. But the reality is your relying on a false sense of hope. Waiting on something to happen that you have no control over is not a productive movement into the right direction. We are at the beginning of something great, but we have got to fight like hell to reach the greatness!
I'm not sold on the vibration thing just yet. But I totally get what you are saying. It would be nice if such forces existed! But until we enter it and I see it happen I have to remain the way I am.

[edit on 30-10-2009 by OpenYourHead]

Hello DG,

Not much of what you have said makes any sense. If there was anything that did, you should eliminate it.

that about sums it up...