Self Extiguishig cigs...more fire risks?

As you can tell I am a smoker, and have came to a conclusion on my own, and would like others input, on my hypothesis....ok here goes...

The self extinguishing cigs "SEC" are in my opinion, more at risk of fire hazards.

After placing a cig in the ash tray, or after talking to someone while smoking, "anything that passes a little time.."
My cig starts to go out, but if you inhale through a SEC to keep the fire lit, it burns right through the center and back aways, creating a void of unburnt paper and tobacco on the end, and at the edges of the paper, which then falls off, and continues to burn!

My question is, why did this get put into manufacturing process without further testing?

I truely believe, that SEC's are more dangerous, "as far as fire goes anyways" than the previous standard manufacturing method.

I am as we speak creating a video for this posting, forgive me if it takes me an hour or two, I do have other things that must be dealt with while doing this.

I may also need a bit of help posting the video, I have never posted one..

www.sciencedaily.com...

It is claimed that this was done strictly for the purpose of saving lives.
If it was truely about saving lives, they would have tested this a bit more and not rushed it into our homes, "much like the pig flu shot" IMHO

I have no theory on what, if anything else it could be there for, and do think it was meant to be for better protection from fire, that is not what this thread is about.

But I have burns on my pants, shirt, and continuously keep watching embers fall from my ciggies, much, much, more often than before this took affect!
I have always been an extremely courtious smoker, and keep it to a minimum, I just don't like that others see my ash "which is still burning fall" it makes me look like a sloppy, unaware, smoker!

Please don't turn this into a pro/con smoking thread, I/we all know it is not good for you to smoke...that is not the info. I want!

HEya doc, a friend of mine up in pennsylvania has been smoking these "fire safe" cigs since thats all they can sell up there. I researched them only to discover that they have some type of toxic chemical to keep them from burning. It was called vinyl acetate something er other. Roll your own organic and save yourself from poisoning my friend.

I have burnt myself and other things numerous times since using these new cigs....I thought it was just me....they are muc more of a fire hazard as for when you pick them after after sitting a bit, the hot ash falls off onto the table, floor, chair but mostly my skin!

I have been rolling my own, I am just concerned about the masses and the actual fire safety?
I still buy a pack of store bought smokes once a week or so, and see the problems I explained in theOP with every cig I smoke.

As far as the chemical and its affects, I can't say....but for what it was intended, I think it worked out to be the backwards of the original intensions!

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i never thought about it but i have noticed my ashes falling everywhere especially when i smoke and type or when im in the car. i never really paid attention to it because i honestly wasn't aware of the change.

i usually smoke cheyennes and im not aware if they are also fire safe but i dont have that problem with them.

Welcome to the nanny state of (mostly) democrats. When did freedom become so unpopular that people are now O.K. with smoking what the government wants them to. It seems like the tobacco industry has been almost entirely hijacked by the government.

My father smoked. His cigarettes went out automatically if you set them down and stopped inhaling. This was true of the roll your own or the store bought ones when I was younger. Now they seem to burn all the way down, I believe this is caused by additives. Adding new thicker bands of chemicals to the paper, seems to be exacerbating the problem to me. It was an asinine idea that had no reason, a cross guard without a road.

I also read that the extra bands were carpet glue. Not sure how to look that up or prove it.

I did however agree with the idea of making all manufacturers list all ingredients of their tobacco on the package. I'm amazed that they are not and have not been required to do so.

Originally posted by Asktheanimals
HEya doc, a friend of mine up in pennsylvania has been smoking these "fire safe" cigs since thats all they can sell up there. I researched them only to discover that they have some type of toxic chemical to keep them from burning. It was called vinyl acetate something er other. Roll your own organic and save yourself from poisoning my friend.

I think there was a topic about this last week, maybe something else to do with cigarettes.

But yes, the chemical is ethylene vinyl acetate. Its commonly used in glue sticks and is primarily used as a "foam" or expanding foam rubber.

Nice right.

Fire safe cigarettes

Ethylene vinyl acetate

Originally posted by Doc Tesla
i never thought about it but i have noticed my ashes falling everywhere especially when i smoke and type or when im in the car. i never really paid attention to it because i honestly wasn't aware of the change.

i usually smoke cheyennes and im not aware if they are also fire safe but i dont have that problem with them.

Look at the UPC box on your cigarettes. If it says "FSC" then they are fire safe.

Is this vinyl acetate now on rolling papers as well?
Hopefully not blunt wraps.

Originally posted by Moonsouljah
Is this vinyl acetate now on rolling papers as well?
Hopefully not blunt wraps.

I think its feasible that they would be on papers, papers have bands. As far as cigars and "blunt wraps" I don't believe so, they don't use bands.

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yea i noticed that on my pack of Marlboro but i don't have a pack of Cheyennes lying around that i can check.but i will as soon as a can. when did this fire safe change happen?

I agree and quit smoking around the time those things came out. Fire safe cigarettes are horrible and anything but fire safe. What often happens with them, is the 'cherry' falls off due to the way the cigarettes are constructed to be built in pieces and can often cause a fire to start where the cherry lands.

Often times I would be smoking and the cherry would fall off onto my clothes and burn a hole or onto paper or leaves on the ground where I was smoking and start a small fire. I rarely smoked in the car but sometimes I would and the cherry would fall on my lap while driving and almost cause me to wreck once I'm getting burned.

Horrible little things and made quitting a tad easier. I started more fires and and burned myself and my clothes constantly with those things while I never had such problems before the switch to 'fire safe' cigarettes.

About the only thing I can compare this to, is a candle.
The paper is a flame retardant, but the tobacco tries to keep burning, creating almost a wicking affect, which burns longer than it would if left alone..

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When I was younger my father threw a cigarette down on the ground and I chided him saying he could start a fire. He offered me five dollars if I could get that cigarette to ignite a fire. I crumpled dry leaves on it, I blew on it, I fanned it. I didn't win the five dollars. I'd say he'd make no such wager with me now.

On a separate note, he did start field stripping his cigarettes after this.

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Originally posted by Doc Tesla
reply to post by ThaLoccster

 

yea i noticed that on my pack of Marlboro but i don't have a pack of Cheyennes lying around that i can check.but i will as soon as a can. when did this fire safe change happen?

I worked at a tobacco store last year, it started around september-october of that year. They first that I seen to have it were "Grand Prix" brand and Camel non filter.

Originally posted by Seiko
reply to post by AshleyD

 

When I was younger my father threw a cigarette down on the ground and I chided him saying he could start a fire. He offered me five dollars if I could get that cigarette to ignite a fire. I crumpled dry leaves on it, I blew on it, I fanned it. I didn't win the five dollars. I'd say he'd make no such wager with me now.

On a separate note, he did start field stripping his cigarettes after this.

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I've tried the same thing with pretty much the same results. But I have dropped on into a couch that did eventually catch on fire.

I thought it would just burn out and said f*** it. Then it started to smoke pretty bad, and it was inside the couch and couldn't get to the source, by the time I got it out on the porch and got a bucket of water to it flames had started. Probably a 25 minute time span from the time I dropped it til I saw flames.

I hadn't thought about them being more dangerous fire-wise. But yeah, now that I think about it...prior to this wonderful additive I had only experienced 3 accidental cigarette burns of things. Since the additive? I couldn't begin to guess! And I've been a smoker for over 30 years.
I noticed the difference in taste upon my first smoke. I had a horrible time getting use to it - just tasted like chemicals. I immediately wondered what inhaling a chemical that was flame-retardent do to me. I immediately figured it was toxic.

Thanks to everyone that contributed to this for me

I have made a short video, but I think everyone understands what I'm talking about so I prolly won't post it ...
Again thanks everyone

you get hot rock from tobacco?.. then you need to roll the cig tighter that is all.