The Ancients Series | Part I: Sumerians

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Thanks for the post ... I have thought we take this stuff too lightly, in today's society. Understanding where we have been is necessary for understanding where we are headed.

Very interesting, I love reading about things like this. S+F and looking forward to the next part...

Originally posted by Rockpuck


Basic indeed.. I couldn't read past the first post me self, from an "academic" viewpoint, it is a butchery of history.. and a great, great deal of speculation. Biblical references and lizard aliens typically tune me out. I am unsure of why people have recently taken to.. I don't know.. trying to make ancient Gods into aliens or real Gods even.. Why can't a story, be a story?

..butchery and speculations? Could you elaborate, Id like to hear the academic viewpoint...

Q: The similarities are many and there is a high chance that the Hebrew Bible is in fact a derivation of the original Epic. So our Sumerian God’s survived in literature, in a way, to this very day. The question then is now how such coincidences came to be as it is clear (only few examples provided above) that the writers of Genesis were very familiar with the Enuma Elish, but why they would base this ‘new’ creation on an already told account, could it be they were simply trying to retell the same story in a different style?

A: If one believes in God and Satan then it is not hard to imagine that Satan had influenced the story to be twisted in his favor. To set the record striaght God then commisioned the writing of the Bible. It is the battle of good and evil that stems before mankind. We cannot pretend to comprehend it in its entirety. Also I love the history you have given us, as a believer this is just facinating and actualy makes perfect sence to me, it does not make me question what I believe is true but only validates my belief. Thanks for such a cool thread. You did an excellent job at researching this and presenting it. S and F friend.

Originally posted by Melissa101


A: If one believes in God and Satan then it is not hard to imagine that Satan had influenced the story to be twisted in his favor. To set the record striaght God then commisioned the writing of the Bible. It is the battle of good and evil that stems before mankind.

Yes, I agree that it looks like a battle of one side and the other side over humanitys destiny.
But when I read genesis, I cant stop thinking about god being the bad one. He forbid mankind from eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, then cast them out of eden etc.
Lucifer (carrier of light - it is knowledge!), on the other hand was trying to help us enlighten ourselves.

Any thoughts?

DOPE! i luv ancient history. american history however, can burn in hell.

which rendered God’s as men and men as God’s

This is interesting reading, but why, oh WHY can't people pay attention in high school English class? Please, people, learn when and where the apostrophe belongs. It is used when a word is possessive or when a word is a contraction of two words. There are some exceptions, and learn them as well. It is NOT correct as used above.

Not knowing proper punctuation just make's you look dum.

Originally posted by Maslo

Originally posted by Melissa101


A: If one believes in God and Satan then it is not hard to imagine that Satan had influenced the story to be twisted in his favor. To set the record striaght God then commisioned the writing of the Bible. It is the battle of good and evil that stems before mankind.

Yes, I agree that it looks like a battle of one side and the other side over humanitys destiny.
But when I read genesis, I cant stop thinking about god being the bad one. He forbid mankind from eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, then cast them out of eden etc.
Lucifer (carrier of light - it is knowledge!), on the other hand was trying to help us enlighten ourselves.

Any thoughts?

Funny, but that's exactly what Adam said, that it was God's fault. After all, God gave him Eve.

God gave man everything that is good to eat, gave him dominion over all creation, gave man his own free will, and in fact God walked with man. He forbade one thing. If man could not obey even this one little thing, how could God trust him in the bigger things?

First, Lucifer casts doubt in Eve's mind, tempting her with the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and the desire to make one wise. Only then does he hit her calling God a liar. "Thou shalt not surely die" Having never known death, murder or lying, she was an easy target.

So, you tell me, who was the liar?

Great! S&F!

The ancient knowlege is more advanced than our.

They describe what they saw.

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Great post.

I just hope that Part II: The Egyptians does not start with that story of how Egypt got its name. The idea that the name came from the daughter (Egypt) of Ham and his wife Egyptus, did not exist until the 1830's. The idea comes from Joseph Smith's Book of Abraham.

Also, if this is to be your source, then the garden of eden was located in Jackson County, Missouri and not in ancient Mesopotamia.

The name used in the Hebrew bible for Egypt is Mitzraim. The word is plural most likly referring to 2 Egypts (upper and lower). The Assyrian and Babylonian records called Egypt, Musur and Musri.

Other than that, Great post.

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I agree with you on the appropriate use of apostrophes as their application is pretty straightforward. Comas and semi-colons, however, seem to be used more creatively in literature (even by the established greats) and it seems the more books I read the less certain I am of their proper application.

Just a quick question though. Do you think it makes someone look dum(sic) when they misspell something? Don't you think it's a better idea to use constructive criticism rather than to call people DUMB. FWIW i'm not the best speller either!

P.S. Dumb is a homonym meaning both, lacking the ability to speak and
lacking in intelligence. I've only ever seen dum used in "dum-dum."

P.P.S. In the first sentence I wrote, I originally used 'there' and upon
proofreading I realized I'd used the wrong word. Proofreading is a
good thing!

Originally posted by hdchop
Question though - What happened to "Lilith"? Supposedly the first woman created “with” AD.AM before EVE and the rib? How does she or was she or did she get placed in by myth and imagination?

Love Part 1

Thank you!!

Lets see.

The Akkadian spelling would be either Lilit or Lilitu. Already we can see that this is from the Sumerian lil which means 'air'. One source says NIN.LIL which means 'lady of the air'. Consider the fact that Enlil himself was the God of air, breath, etc. Relationship? Wife?

Originally posted by Springer
FABULOUS!



Thank you for this great work!

Springer...

Cheers, you're welcome.

Originally posted by Jsmallz
I was going to put something like this together but you beat me to it

But thanks for doing this i love reading about the ancients

But question wouldn't it be safe to say that Enki and Enlil where both serpents since are brothers

Interesting question. Enlil is usually referred to as King of the Lands, or derivations of that. I haven't come across to any references of Enlil being a snake before. This could be because of the strong associations of the snake to Enki alone, contributing to the conflict?

Originally posted by Rockpuck

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Best wishes for your Ancients Series which provides some basic education on concepts that have often been used on ATS but their origin and context rarely understood.

Basic indeed.. I couldn't read past the first post me self, from an "academic" viewpoint, it is a butchery of history.. and a great, great deal of speculation. Biblical references and lizard aliens typically tune me out. I am unsure of why people have recently taken to.. I don't know.. trying to make ancient Gods into aliens or real Gods even.. Why can't a story, be a story?

Excuse me? Would you like to offer anything more than 'speculation' when it comes to mythology? Who said this is not just a story? We are discussing ANCIENT MESOPOTAMIAN MYTHS, whether or not one finds some oddities and inconsistencies within these MYTHS and chooses to believe part or whole is up to their own discretion, but we are discussing MYTHS as they are, so no, i have not 'taken' to anything. I would be very honored to hear your interpretation of Sumerian MYTHS from an 'academic viewpoint' though.

Originally posted by J-in-TX
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Great post.

I just hope that Part II: The Egyptians does not start with that story of how Egypt got its name. The idea that the name came from the daughter (Egypt) of Ham and his wife Egyptus, did not exist until the 1830's. The idea comes from Joseph Smith's Book of Abraham.

Also, if this is to be your source, then the garden of eden was located in Jackson County, Missouri and not in ancient Mesopotamia.

The name used in the Hebrew bible for Egypt is Mitzraim. The word is plural most likly referring to 2 Egypts (upper and lower). The Assyrian and Babylonian records called Egypt, Musur and Musri.

Other than that, Great post.

Ah yes, you are correct. I think i should have mentioned that. I was simply using it as one example, for the sake of 'logic'. That's why i said whether fictional or not, it was just an example to work upon the Sumerian name.

You are correct though, thanks for mentioning that.

Once again i would just like to post the purpose of this thread: to have a guide here for those who are new to this area and are interested in getting the basics and exploring the main areas of interest for each civilization.

Cheers.


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Originally posted by Rockpuck

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Best wishes for your Ancients Series which provides some basic education on concepts that have often been used on ATS but their origin and context rarely understood.

Basic indeed.. I couldn't read past the first post me self, from an "academic" viewpoint, it is a butchery of history.. and a great, great deal of speculation. Biblical references and lizard aliens typically tune me out. I am unsure of why people have recently taken to.. I don't know.. trying to make ancient Gods into aliens or real Gods even.. Why can't a story, be a story?

A story like a story like the Free Masons? Is that all just a fanciful story? Please, educate us. It sounds like you have much to offer.

Originally posted by strNick
It is interesting to note that 1 million years ago the Earth was a water-world, according to Stewart Swerdlow. That's why god's spirit (spacecraft?) was hovering above the face of water.
This means Earth wasn't colinisable for gods until water got away.

Which begs the question, are we gods playing in the fields of the lords? My opinion... yes. We have lost consciousness of our divinity for some reason or another. Which begs the bigger question when and why did we choose this or have it be imposed upon us? I understand the reason. Omnipotence and immortality does indeed become dull. How better to spice up a dull experience than to forget your existence. Brahman did a similar thing according to Hindu faith.

Thank you Well done S&F!

I do have a question though. I thought Enki and Enlil had a sister that was involved with man as well. Did I dream this?

interesting op.

i've been studying this topic for awhile. thought you might like this little etymology

YMN
AMUN
AMEN
AMON
MONTU
MENTU
ENTU
ENU
EN
ANU
AN

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Wow, thanks for taking the time to present such a great thread to all of us, it is MUCH appreciated.

It is always wonderful to see members take the time to do some research on their own and present a PROPER thread, full of sources, in-depth information, and well researched information laid out in a lucid and salient manner in their own words. Thanks again, S/F...

Looks like you put an incredible amount of research and effort into this series. I commend you for your hard work.

I noted a few errors, however. For example, the earliest writing was almost certainly the Chines, not the Sumerians. In fact, the Chinese developed writing 1000 years or more before the Sumerians did (link.

I have to object to the comparison of the DNA helix to the caduceus. They are not the same; they are not even similar. The DNA helix involves two strands making a helix (3-D spiral). The two strands always go in the same direction. They either both twist clockwise, or they both twist counterclockwise. The caduceus serpents always twine or twist in opposite directions. One serpent twists clockwise, the other counterclockwise. That's not a trivial distinction. There's no way to turn one of those helices into the other, without taking off one of the serpents and making him wind around in the same direction as his buddy.

Originally posted by Rockpuck

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Best wishes for your Ancients Series which provides some basic education on concepts that have often been used on ATS but their origin and context rarely understood.

Basic indeed.. I couldn't read past the first post me self, from an "academic" viewpoint, it is a butchery of history.. and a great, great deal of speculation. Biblical references and lizard aliens typically tune me out. I am unsure of why people have recently taken to.. I don't know.. trying to make ancient Gods into aliens or real Gods even.. Why can't a story, be a story?

why cant a story, be a story?

read "the hero with a thousand faces" by Joseph Campbell, he too is an "academic"

you will soon realise that stories are all connected and need to be analysed and understood in context too each other.

just because its "history" doesn't mean its ourstory.

Story is everything. Its where we store our truth

and S&F for the OP ! Nice one!

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If anyone is truely interested in what is going on in the world today, you
should study everything possible about the Sumerians and the Anunnaki.

The Elite are. Ask yourself, why was the Bagdad Museum plundered?
Why, upon us entering Iraq, most of the archeological sites were quickly
excavated and all artifacts removed out of country?

I flag you for trying but this is a simple explanation of a complex history.
With some glaring problems.

To the rest of you, ever wonder about the concept of time and why the clock has twelve hours, sixty minutes to the hour, sixty seconds to the minute?

There were twelve major Anunnaki gods and the Anunnaki used a base sixty counting system.

I would say this proves existance over myth.

Thank you for posting this .

It is very nice structured and I can not wait for the next chapters .

S&F

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