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Originally posted by Maxmars
reply to post by Oldnslo
I resist the approach. But I accept that cultures wishing to become American must either conform to the existing clearly stated laws and customs or simply understand that they do not wish to be American.
However we live in an environment were much exists to complicate the matter.
Do you not see any Muslim communities that are honorable, law abiding, and 'regular' people? I could only understand the xenophobic attitude toward them if they were invaders, criminals, usurpers, or enemies of the state.
You can't possibly be stating that these people qualify simply because they subscribe to the Koran - or claim to?
Originally posted by kiwifoot
I find the whole Islamist angle odd, .........
I suppose that may just have been the FBI's reason to bring this 'Islamist' in.
Detroit News: Detroit mosque leader killed in FBI raids
....snip...
Abdullah, 53, also known as Christopher Thomas, was the local leader of a black Muslim group that calls itself "Ummah," or the brotherhood, and wants to establish a separate state within the United States governed by Sharia law, Interim U.S. Attorney Terrence Berg and Andrew Arena, FBI special agent in charge in Detroit, said in a joint statement.
Originally posted by mrmonsoon
Ok, a criminal was shooting it out with the F.B.I. and was killed.
Ok, why was it needed to mention his religion or religious affiliation???
No, seriously, As I see it, it has no impact and only serves to inflame an already hot religious issue.
To be clear, the last two lines were being said to the BBC, not the OP.
*Edited to add above line for clarity sake.
[edit on 10/28/2009 by mrmonsoon]
...wants to establish a separate state within the United States governed by Sharia law, ....
What if he had killed a police officer in this tirade of idiocy?
That officer was just doing his job. What if he had a wife and child? Is that fair? Does that still make this guy only a suspect and not a criminal?
Originally posted by Maxmars
...wants to establish a separate state within the United States governed by Sharia law, ....
The only place this could happen would be on a Native American Reservation.
Do you see any state in this Union giving up space for this?
This isn't the European Union. All detractors aside, the United States of America is far from the scrawny 99-pound weakling the technicians think it to be. We will not be swayed by intimidation of any kind. I find it amazing that the global community repeatedly forgets what this country can do if pushed too far.
Many fundamentalists flavors fear us, and rightly so. It is why we are a constant target. They come in fear. The prey on the fear to be 'politically' relevant to their own people. They are using us to be heroes at home.
I don't fear their agenda because I see no legal framework in this country to accommodate such a demand. Except emigration. Go figure.
U.S. financial institutions, reeling from the credit crunch, are hungrily eyeballing more than $1 trillion in petrodollars, including Shariah-compliant bonds, mutual funds, mortgages, insurance, hedge funds, and real estate investment trusts.
Dow Jones Corp. has even created its own index for Islamic-correct investments: the Dow Jones Islamic Index, according to The Coalition to Stop Shariah.
Enter Uncle Sam, the always cash-strapped giant that must feed at any convenient trough these days, regardless of what strings are attached.
And what a trough it is. The global Shariah market is growing at a 15 percent pace, courtesy of the oil boom and resurgence in Islamic fundamentalism, according to the Center for Security Policy. It’s expected to more than double during the next 10 years.
As an important monograph on the subject recently issued by the McCormick Foundation and the Center for Security Policy (for copies contact the Center at www.SecureFreedom.org) makes clear, these authorities are, unsurprisingly, adherents to Shariah. A number of them explicitly embrace its call to jihad (including a former senior member of the Dow Jones Islamic Index, Sheik Taqi Usmani). This "holy war" is to be waged where possible through violent means, where necessary through "soft" means like Shariah-Compliant Finance. For this reason, such Islamists call SCF "financial jihad."
What makes Shariah-Compliant Finance even more dangerous than subprime is that, in its effort to legitimize and institutionalize Shariah in America, it is advancing a criminal conspiracy whose purpose is the violent overthrow of the United States Constitution and government in favor of Islamic rule. That would make it sedition.
The information contained within the federal complaint against the Detroit suspects is clear: Islamists in the US are advocating the spread of Islam through the use of violent jihad, and they are utilizing mosques and Islamic centers as their training grounds. The Northeast Intelligence Network has warned about this very issue, and even provided evidence of such activities.
(snip)
“We’re talking about professional Muslim men, mosque leaders, leaders within our communities who are actually helping young men train for the eventuality of urban combat. They know what they are doing, yet they lie right to our faces about these activities- and we’re told by our supervisors that we have to accept what they tell us at face value when they know damn well they are lying.” -Federal source, speaking on condition of anonymity
Originally posted by hangedman13
The question is how hard will the leaders in Muslim countries try and hold on.
Originally posted by JJay55
reply to post by Maxmars
Max, your pants are down.
So glad many other posters realize that apologists are our weakness.
We have a long battle ahead without a full taste of what will come because of the ease of infiltration of the US. It's a good idea now to prepare instead of wasting time by being skeptical.
Originally posted by Maxmars
- A suspect is a suspect until a court of law declares them guilty of a crime
- This is a sensitive case because of the propensity for it to be characterized as oppressive action targeted against Muslims in particular
- It has not been established that the crime in questions has something to do with the faith of the accused.
Originally posted by Snarf
reply to post by JJay55
There are no other religions equal to Islam?
I'm just guessing here, but i'd say more blood has been spilled in the name of Christianity than any other religion our planet has ever known.
Enjoy your soapbox rantings. You're generalizing. Only extremists are as you describe. It's not being apologetic.
It's being realistic.
Set aside your zeal for one second and perhaps you could see it as well.
Originally posted by Snarf
reply to post by JJay55
The old testament doesn't say "Islam is equal"
The new testament doesn't say "Islam is equal"
No religion says any other religion is equal, because to do so would be to destroy that religions image of God.
It just disgusts me that you could allow so much bigotry in your life.
But...if you can live with it, who am i to judge?
Originally posted by CanadianDream420
I give MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR gratitude to the MSM networks to not going overboard with this as Major Al-Queda leader killed in U.S, as it easily could have been.