47,000 Year Old Carvings!

cherio atsers...... here are some mind boggling infos which i came across.... about some unheard discoveries in china.... weird stuff without much to back up...

INTRODUCTORY SPACE SCIENCE - VOLUME II
DEPARTMENT OF PHYSICS
UNITED STATES AIR FORCE ACADEMY

Edited by: Major Donald G. Carpenter
Co-Editor: Lt. Colonel Edward R. Therkelson

CHAPTER XXXIII
UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS

33.2 OPERATIONAL DOMAINS - TEMPORAL AND SPATIAL

Evidence of perhaps an even earlier possible contact was uncovered by Tschi Pen Lao of the University of Peking. He discovered astonishing carvings in granite on a mountain in Hunan Province and on an island in Lake Tungting. These carvings have been evaluated as 47,000 years old, and they show people with large trunks (breathing apparatus?...or "elephant" heads shown on human bodies? Remember, the Egyptians often represented their gods as animal heads on human bodies.)

www.cufon.org...

unfortunately due to the controversial nature of this document the air force academy @ colorado springs discontinued its use in its curriculum & replaced it with updated bogus for obvious reasons.... lots of other intriguing details mentioned therein.... please check the link

now coming back to the issue about the mentioned discoveries in china.... i dont suppose they would have entertained any such claims... leave alone mentioning it in their scientific publication.... without any proper verification of the data....

but what is really strange here is that i havent been able to find any further details about this.... except for the following....

New York Daily News
CHOW REVEALS SECOND CHINESE DISCOVERY

Dr. Ho-Chung Chow, University of Peking archeologist, who Friday stunned members of the HAB Symposium with his relation of an immensely important archeological discovery unknown to the Western world for a quarter of a century, today added another note o? excitement to the discussions

Chow related that a colleague in his department at the university, Dr. Chi Pen Lao, was exploring caves in July 1961 in Hupeh Province west of Yoyang. In the Hohan Mountains at the south shore of Tungf Ting Hu (a large lake) he entered a cave and followed it inward and downward. At 32 meters (105 feet) beneath the surface he encountered a large domed room with glazed walls, from which numerous squared tunnels moved off deeper into the mountains in a confusing, interconnecting network. As in the main chamber, the tunnels had a glazed surface as if they had once been melted.

Chow described some of the unusual items found by Dr. Lao, but stressed that no spiral disks had been located here. However, an intricately rendered painting on one wall depicted a wide variety of animals all being driven in one direction by men above them riding on what he called "a shield-like flying platform" and clad in very modern-looking trousers and jackets. The men held what appeared to be long pipes to their lips, which they were pointing toward the animals...

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

there seems to be some more info @ the hab theory website but my browser just wont open it...

and also here...

The geologist Thuinli Lynn told me about a discovery that is unknown to the western world.

During excavations in the “Valley of Stones” in July, 1961, Chi Pen Lao, Professor of Archaeology in the University of Peking, came across an underground cave system. At a depth of 105 feet he found entrances to a labyrinth in the spurs of the Honan mountains, on the south shore of Lake Tung Ting, west of Yoyang. He located passages that undoubtedly led under the lake.

The passage walls were smooth and glazed. The walls of one hall, into which several passages led, were covered with paintings. They represented animals, all fleeing in one direction, driven by men who held “blowpipes” to their lips. Above the fleeing animals, and this is the sensational part of the account as far as I am concerned, flies a shield on which stand men holding weapon-like implements which they are aiming at the animals.

The men on the “flying shield,” says Mr. Chi Pen Lao, wear modern jackets and long trousers. Mr. Lynn thinks that scholars have probably succeeded in establishing the date when the tunnel was built, but news from Red China only emerges sparingly and after long delays. The report of the “flying shield” and the men aiming at the animals from above at once reminded me of a museum piece which had left an indelible impression on my memory. It was the skeleton of a bison (Fig. 44), whose brow had been pierced by a neat shot, and I had seen it in the Museum of Paleontology in Moscow.

The original home of the bison was Russian Asia. The age of my fossil bison was dated to the Neolithic (8000 to 2700 B.C.), when weapons were still made by flaking stones, and the most modern weapon created in that period was the stone axe.

A blow with a stone axe would inevitably have shattered the bison’s skull, but under no circumstances could it have left a bullet hole. A firearm in the Neolithic? In fact, the idea seems so absurd that the experts could dismiss it with a wave of the hand, if it were not for the fact that the Neolithic marksman’s bison trophy is on show in Moscow.

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

i smell a cover-up here..... but what do you guys make of it.... does anybody have any further details???

edited to touch up on missed points & cover-up for previous laziness

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Personaly, I'd be a bit careful about artifacts from china. There were problems with some recent dinosaur frauds. That being said, I do think some stuff is being censored that undermines the current time-lines of official science. I believe that there is evidence to suggest that modern humans have been around with civilization for millions of years.

Skyfloating's recent threads talked about these jade discs with a lot of detail and this article does mention them at times to. It's an interesting theory to state that they are actual model representations of possible larger objects (spacecraft). This is all speculation though, are there any collaborative sources verifying these findings?

I have a feeling that we are still at an early stage of human advancement right now. We have been through this stage before as humans and to me the real question is what keeps happening to us and why.

Ive often thought to myself if the population was wiped out and civilization was reset, how close would the learning process of the newbies parallel with that of ours. Would they progress faster, slower, or pretty much the same speed at which we did? Would they eventually stumble upon the same inventions we have in the same time we have?

Who knows....

I think humans in the future will dig up our underground installations and wonder about the same things.

I'm not surprised by anything regarding archaeology and art.There is an old saying that the science is involved in 'stones and bones'. That may be true for much of it, but cave paintings are another matter entirely. One only needs to study petroglyphs, heiroglyphs and other really old paintings as you would find in caves.

In some areas it was thought that the world sat on the back of a turtle, which would be a fine analogy for those characters on a 'flyingshield'. I don't want to spoil any notions of vimana-like craft, though.

Want to talk 'old' ? How about the artifacts from the Blombos cave?

Here are some which are tentatively dated to a period between 75,000 and 100,000 years old.

Scientists excavating a Stone Age cave on South Africa’s southern coast have followed a trail of engraved pigments to what they suspect are the ancient roots of modern human behavior.

Analyses of 13 chunks of decorated red ochre (an iron oxide pigment) from Blombos Cave indicate that a cultural tradition of creating meaningful geometric designs stretched from around 100,000 to 75,000 years ago in southern Africa, say anthropologist Christopher Henshilwood of the University of the Witwatersrand in Johannesburg and his colleagues. Their report appears online and in an upcoming Journal of Human Evolution.

www.sciencenews.org...

related:

anthropology.net...

archaeology.about.com...

I've just today finally received my copy of San Spirituality by J David Lewis-Williams and the items found in the Blombos Cave are discussed within the very first few pages of this 2004 book.

China, for so long an unknown kingdom, is bound to bring many more fascinating items from out of it's distant past. Tibet is another place sure to hold many secrets. We're just finding out about Australia and Africa now.

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yups... i agree with you... more evidence seems to point in that direction... in this case i'm sure this site is very much connected to the ancient city of 'jinzhou' which was mentioned by skyfloating here...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

i suspect spelling chinese names in english in some standard form is a major obstacle here too.... for example from the above link... the location is in "hubei".... whereas its spelled as "hupeh" in the article i quoted... even the guys name "tschi" just become "chi".... now who would guess if its not "qi"....




Tungting Lake, also Dongting Hu and Dangting Hu

29° 18′ 38″ N, 112° 57′ 5″ E

lets see what comes up next....

ni hao

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thanks for that link.... great stuff

cheers

whilst looking up around the 47,000 year mark.... came across the "tabon man".... not very far from china i guess.....

books.google.com...

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Did they get the 47,000 years from Carbon Dating?

Look up the DROPAZ and the 2 tribes they interacted with the Zopaz & Hanz.

Pics or it didn't happen.

Seriously though, why talk about amazing carvings and artifacts without publishing any photographs of them?

Certainly makes it easy to disregard, if not discredit.

Which is unfortunate.

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if you didn't care to read..... why bother posting?

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To play along these thoughts...

Is it possible that no sentient life on this planet is allowed to reach true Disclosure?

Have we been told to stop messing up the enviroment but TPTB are raising one giant middle finger to the stars in protest over Humanity not being allowed to progress to the stars?

As I've gotten older I've begun to suspect that much of our history has been supressed (or simply been lost).

Why? well I suspect such knowledge will "set you free" one way or the other.

Thanks OP for an interesting thread.

Physics text for intro at the USAFA in the time frame discussed above is "Essentials of Physics" Borowitz, Beiser, 1966. No mention of UFOs in that course, just lots of math.

Cadets are taught to be observant and objective. A pilot from the USAFA would be a reliable, trustworthy witness.

Sully, the pilot that landed in the Hudson, was a 1973 grad. I'm 71.

Haven't seen much in UFOs over the past 40 years or so. Not enough to make a big deal out of it.

Still waiting for the "word from above" from Blossom Goodchild and her minions.


If they do exist, seem harmless enough to me. Apparently they like meat, looking at naked abductees, and flying. Sounds like a pilot to me.

There have been a few different undergorund citites discovered. Also very old carving found in the Bosnia Pyramid,

bpblognews.blogspot.com...

During the 1st ICBP 2008, the conclusions of radiocarbon dating of a wooden fragment found in Ravne tunnel system were presented by Prof. Dr. Anna Pazdur and archaeologist Andrew Lawler. The obtained results of two indipendent Radiocarbon labs (Kiel, Germany and Gliwice, Poland) will doubtlessly further boost interest for the project of the Bosnian valley of the pyramids.

The obtained dates of 31,000 BP and/or 34,000 BP (possibly 42,000 BP) now will surely raise some questions:

How old is Ravne tunnel complex?

How old are the Bosnian pyramids?

www.theepochtimes.com...

Mysterious and alluring, the underground city is a motif often used in science fiction. But there are two ancient Turkish cities that represent one of the many cases of a reality greater than fantasy.

Like a society of actual mole people, the inhabitants of Central Anatolia carried the concept of underground living to the extreme.

Found more than 100 feet below the surface, the ancient city of Derinkuyu is probably the most impressive of the underground cities found in this area. Archeologists have determined this sprawling subterranean complex of tunnels and rooms once offered secure refuge to about 100,000 people.

...Archeologists have explored an extensive 130 feet below the surface, uncovering an impressive array of rock-carved dwellings. But some estimate that there is still much more to explore as the city is thought extend at least 260 feet into the earth.

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The Bosnian Pyramid is NOT a pyramid. It's a normal mountain. The fellow has, however, dug into (with a backhoe) establish sites, including a Roman villa and a medieval graveyard.

I asked a russian friend of mine and if we are lucky i will be able to post a recent picture of the bull crane with the bullet hole in it. Stay tuned.

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ooops... sorry... had missed this.... here....



check the ending of this video......

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That is ridiculous, it most certaintly is a pyramid and the ones trying to dimish it are the ones trying to hide truth and protect Egypts tourism. It is one of the oldest pyramids on earth and is one of the power points.

www.bosnianpyramid.com...

Each slab is about 10cm thick, on average.
Technology including satellite photography and thermal imaging is being used to develop a better understanding ofthe site’s hidden features...



The pyramid walls are built from the megalita breče stone. Blocks of different sizes are typically used to build pyramids. These stone blocks have been excavated some 150 m away from the apex of the pyramid. Further excavations are underway in the surrounding areas to map the blocks and underground tunnels.

www.bosnianpyramid.com...

Archaeological Park:Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun It is assumed that Visocica Hill is not natural Formation because of the following:

Visocica’s geometrical shape:The four perfectly shaped slopespoint toward the cardinal points;it also has a flat top and an entrance complex images

The geological report carried out by experienced geologists report

Analysis of Satellite Images report

Proof of manmade A maze of tunnels that connect the individual pyramids across the complex. images

The results of the thermal imaging of the site indicates the existence of a pyramidalcomplex in the valley report

Local people have reported finding blocks, slabsin the area. Some blocks havebeen found while digging to a depth of 2.5m to 4m. images

Local people also reported hearing echoes inside the hillduring the bombardment ofVisocica during the war in Bosnia (1992-95) stories

The entire concept of what was unearthed being lied about by western media, when it is exposed to all the eyes of the world was one of the most transparently dark and manipulative farces I've seen.

This is an ancient stargate, and its age actually predates what was found in it.

That would make it quite old, well over 30 000-40 000 years, and its amazing the numbers who try to suppress facts, ones that eyes can see when they look at a photo, and ancient artifacts found. Not so surprising considering what is off the coast of Cyprus mind you, now is it?

www.telegraph.co.uk...

According to Mr Sarmast the latest evidence matches exactly the detailed description of Atlantis given by Plato.

"There are about 60 specific points that match Plato's account," he said. "How can you explain away a bunch of coincidences like this?"

In fact there was surprisingly other evidence another find of an ancient artifact in Europe that was also at roughly the same dates and it puts a advanced civilization in Europe along with Atlantis.

I think this is the real reason for trying to suppress the Bosnian Pyramid.


www.nytimes.com...

In an article published online by the journal Nature, Nicholas J. Conard of the University of Tübingen, in Germany, and colleagues wrote, “These finds demonstrate the presence of a well-established musical tradition at the time when modern humans colonized Europe.”

Although radiocarbon dates earlier than 30,000 years ago can be imprecise, samples from the bones and associated material were tested independently by two laboratories, in England and Germany, using different methods. Scientists said the data agreed on ages of at least 35,000 years.

Dr. Conard, a professor of archaeology, said in an e-mail message from Germany that “the new flutes must be very close to 40,000 calendar years old and certainly date to the initial settlement of the region.”

Dr. Conard’s team said an abundance of stone and ivory artifacts, flint-knapping debris and bones of hunted animals had been found in the sediments with the flutes. Many people appeared to have lived and worked there soon after their arrival in Europe, assumed to be around 40,000 years ago and 10,000 years before the native Neanderthals became extinct.

The Neanderthals, close human relatives, apparently left no firm evidence of having been musical.

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Originally posted by mcrom901

The passage walls were smooth and glazed. The walls of one hall, into which several passages led, were covered with paintings. They represented animals, all fleeing in one direction, driven by men who held “blowpipes” to their lips. Above the fleeing animals, and this is the sensational part of the account as far as I am concerned, flies a shield on which stand men holding weapon-like implements which they are aiming at the animals.

cant help but think of the cattle mutilation scenario....