Stop Taking Genesis so Literally!

From The Books of E'Noch I-XXXVI

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the children of the heavens, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another:

“Come, let uschose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children.”


03.
And Semjaza, who was their leader, said unto them:

“I fear ye will not indeed agree to do this deed,
and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.”


04.
And they all answered him and said:

“Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations
not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.”


05.
Then sware they all together and bound themselves together by mutual imprecations upon it.


06.
And they were in all two hundred;
who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon,
because they had sworn and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it.


07.
And these are the names of their leaders:
Semiazaz, their leader,
Arakiba,
Rameel,
Kokabiel,
Tamiel,
Ramiel,
Danel,
Ezeqeel,
Baraqijal,
Asael,
Armaros,
Batarel,
Ananel,
Zaqiel,
Samsapeel,
Satarel,
Turel,
Jomael,
Sariel.


08.
These are their chiefs of tens.



Ch. 7.

01.
And all the others
together with them
took unto themselves wives,
and each chose for himself one,
and they began to go in unto them
and defile themselves with them,
and they taught them charms
and enchantment’s,
and the cutting of roots,
and made them acquainted with plants.


02.
And they became pregnant,
and they bare great giants,
whose height
was Three Thousand Ells:


03.
Who consumed all the acquisitions of men.
And when men could no longer sustain them,


04. The giants turned against them and devoured mankind.


05.
And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish,
and to devour one an others flesh, and drink the blood.

Genesis Ch. 6 V 1, 2 & 4.

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1.
And it came to pass,
when men began to multiply
on the face of the Earth,
and daughters were born unto them.

2.
That the sons of God saw the daughtersof men,
that they were fair;
and they took them wives of all which the chose.

3.
.......

4.
There were giants in the Earth in those days;
and also after that, when the sons of God
came in unto the daughters of men,
and they bear children to them,
the same became mighty men
which were of old,
men of renown.

reply to post by Maslo


What do you mean, " Evidence please"?

Read the bible but take "church" out of it....they are describing alien invasions, alien DNA tampering, alien artificial insemination, alien vistiation of the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th kind, alien abduction....

what more evidence arr you looking for?

Oh, my bad...you are looking for the word 'alien" in the bible.

Well, sorry. The bible was written too long ago, way before the.
teminolgy to describe beings from other planets was created.

angels/ aliens
Heaven/ Space
chariot of fire/ UFO
Virgin birth/artificial insemination



[edit on 4-11-2009 by ButterCookie]

Originally posted by sphinx551
Neither Genesis or Evolution is right.
Humans were bio-engineered by aliens trillions years ago and did not "evolve" over time.
Current Earth humans were brainwashed into believing "Creationism" or "Evolution" by the Old Empire which covertly keeps humans on prison planet Earth. Each current human is considered "Untouchable" by the Old Empire and was taken from their home planet and was dumped on Earth as a prison planet.

[edit on 2-11-2009 by sphinx551]

I stared your post and backed up your statement.

However Genesis is right...its just been totally misinterpreted...Genesis is describibg the gods / angels ( aliens) and creation of mankind ( alien DNA tampering).

The entire bible, with the exepetion of a lot of the King James testamant is about Aliens, alien abductions, UFO's and alien encounters of each kind.

Originally posted by ButterCookie
reply to post by Maslo

 

What do you mean, " Evidence please"?

Read the bible but take "church" out of it....they are describing alien invasions, alien DNA tampering, alien artificial insemination, alien vistiation of the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th kind, alien abduction....

what more evidence arr you looking for?

Oh, my bad...you are looking for the word 'alien" in the bible.

Well, sorry. The bible was written too long ago, way before the.
teminolgy to describe beings from other planets was created.

angels/ aliens
Heaven/ Space
chariot of fire/ UFO
Virgin birth/artificial insemination

Well, dont get me wrong. I too think that Bible can better be explained by alien encounters rather than gods. But jumping from this to statements like "Humans were bio-engineered by aliens trillions of years ago (more that the age of the universe!?) and did not "evolve" over time." or "Old Empire which covertly keeps humans on prison planet Earth." is a pretty big leap of faith, dont you think? All that tbe bible proves is that there probably were alien encounters in the past. Denying evolution because of this is unnessesary, because we have lots of evidence that it happened here, on our planet. Maybe aliens accelerated it in the final stages to modern man, but thats all.

Originally posted by Maslo

Also, one of the ten commandments is you shall have no gods before me. I think some of our fundies have made holy bible their god.

YES! I have been saying this to people in religious debates for some time now, how many Christians would believe anything in the Bible or from the mouth of their pastor/priest and yet they completely ignore the individual relationship with God they are supposed to have.

That's what religion does, turns you into a blind believer following the flock instead of seeking a true living God you turned to the musty pages of some old book.

As for the OP, I agree wholeheartedly, flag and star indeed

Genesis when taken literally is silly and paints God as incompetent and mean (plants a forbidden tree right where the mistake prone humans he's created are going to live and then blames them despite their ignorance when they end up eating it). Rushes through creation creating Earth in only one week. But when taken metaphorically a lot of it does make sense though sometimes I wonder if analyzing it for hidden meaning drifts into reading too far into it...

Adam and Eve were made perfect, they should have been loyal to God. They should have trusted God when they were said they would surely die when they eat of that forbidden fruit. God has put them to the test. They did this to themselves, God felt hurt and got angry and no more Eden for Adie and Eve. How does one feel when their children have been disloyal. They were warned. But God is forgiving when you act good.

Originally posted by Nosred
Stop taking Genesis so literally!

Continued below

Stop trying to tell people what to take from the bible.

Unless of course you like controlling folk's faith.

reply to post by etherical waterwave

Adam and Eve were made perfect, they should have been loyal to God. They should have trusted God when they were said they would surely die when they eat of that forbidden fruit.

If A'Dam and Eve were in fact created in Gods Image they would not have died!

In "The Gospel of Thomas" it is written....

Quote;

85.

Jesus said,

“A'Dam came into being
from a great power
and a great wealth,
but he did not become
worthy of you.

For had he been worthy,
he would not
have experienced
death.”

No where in your bible does it say; God Created A'Dam and Eve in their (God) Image.

It says "Let US make MAN in Our Image" Genesis Ch. 1 Verse 26.

God according to "The Gospel According to John" is dual or having two components...

a. The Word
b. The Life of God which is the Light of MAn Not A'Dam...

Hence this is why it is written "Let US make MAN in Our Image"

God has put them to the test.

Why would God need to test anything as He has Created All through J.C. before it came into being, so He already new the outcome but it is just humankind that have trouble understanding the Wisdom of God...

They did this to themselves, God felt hurt and got angry and no more Eden for Adie and Eve.

It is Not you that doeth the Works but The Father...

This is why there is forgiveness....

How does one feel when their children have been disloyal. They were warned. But God is forgiving when you act good.

God is Not human and does Not function in a human way...

[edit on 15-11-2009 by The Matrix Traveller]

reply to post by The Matrix Traveller


If what you say is true then what would the point of Yeshua coming here to redeem us?
Adam MEANS man lol, and Yeshua was the second adam. Why would the book be so arbitory to say "let Us make man" then skip to making adam? Makes no sense does it?
The book of Job where G-d appears in a whirlwind and tells Job to prepare himself as a man. If man was in heaven then how would Job know how to prepare himself considering that in your logic, there is no man here with which job could compare himself to, so to prepare himself as one?
Ezekiel to, "oh son of man, prophesy", there are many many examples lol..
In the end of the day, any building is only as strong as its foundation, so that if i cant believe the Word of G-d in the start in Genesis, then how can believe the Word for my salvation? And if what you said is true, then your version of man is already saved so why would G-d send His Son to die on a cross? You make no sense what so ever, i suggest you stop reading unbiblical scriptures, and read the proper ones.

reply to post by etherical waterwave

God felt hurt

If your god is pure love, omnibenevolent how on earth is it possible for this entity for be hurt in anyway ?

reply to post by Selahobed

If man was in heaven then how would Job know how to prepare himself considering that in your logic, there is no man here with which job could compare himself to, so to prepare himself as one?

From the Gospel According to John: Chapter 3 Verse 13

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3.
"No one
hath ascended
to heaven
but He
who came down
from heaven,
that is,
the Son of Man
who is in heaven."

How can you ascend into Heaven if the Man Component is already in Heaven ???

This is why NO MAN hath ascended into Heaven !!!
Save J.C. But the Carpenter was the Word made Flesh as all flesh is made by the Word.


Also remember the one next to the Carpenter on the Cross who was told by J.C. "Today Ye shall be in Paradise with Me..."

The Grave is Not Paradise or am I missing something here???

So the I component of J.C. Definitely went into Paradise and the Carpenter went into the grave and the "I" component of J.C. Definitely raised the Carpenter from the Grave.... Just as J.C. Promised He would !!!

Also... Note Very Very carefully....

From The Gospel of Thomas...

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39.
Jesus said,

“The Pharisees
and the Scribes
have taken
The Keys of Knowledge
and Hidden Them.

They themselves
have NOT entered,
nor have they
allowed to enter
those who wish to.

You, however,
be as wise as serpents
and as innocent as doves.”

[edit on 15-11-2009 by The Matrix Traveller]

reply to post by Selahobed


You err greatly as You are unable to kill or murder J.C. As it is Impossible for you to Kill The LIFE of GOD. For J.C. Not the Carpenter, Is the Life of GOD which is the LIGHT of MAN, Not A'Dam. He is "The SON of MAN" not "The Son of A'Dam"!

From The Acts of John 87 to 105

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“John, there must be one man to hear these things from Me;
for I need one who is ready to hear.

This Cross of Light is sometimes Called LOGOS by Me for your sakes,
sometimes MIND,
sometimes JESUS,
sometimes CHRIST,
sometimes A DOOR,
sometimes A WAY,
sometimes BREAD,
sometimes SEED,
sometimes RESURRECTION,
sometimes SON,
sometimes FATHER,
sometimes SPIRIT,
sometimes LIFE,
sometimes TRUTH,
sometimes FAITH,
sometimes GRACE;
and so it is called for men’s sake.

But what It Truly is, as Known in Itself
and spoken to us, is this:

It is The Distinction of All Things,
and The Harmony of Wisdom,
being Wisdom In Harmony.

But there are Places on the right and on the left,
Powers,
Authorities,
Principalities
and Demonds,
Activities,
Threatenings,
Passions,
Devils,
Satan
and The Inferior Root
from which
The Nature of Transient things Proceeded.

99.
This Cross then is that which has united ALL things
by The WORD and which has separated off
what is Transitory and Inferior,
which has also Compacted ALL things into ONE.

But this is NOT that WOODEN CROSS
which you shall see when you go down from here;

nor am I the man who is on the Cross,

I whom now you do not see but only hear My Voice.

I was taken to be what I am NOT,

I who am NOT what for many others I was;

[edit on 15-11-2009 by The Matrix Traveller]

reply to post by Selahobed

i suggest you stop reading unbiblical scriptures, and read the proper ones.

You mean the ones You like or can accept, under Roman Doctrine!

Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller
reply to post by Selahobed

 

You wrote;

Quote;

i suggest you stop reading unbiblical scriptures, and read the proper ones.

You mean the ones You like or can accept, under Roman Doctrine!

reply to post by moocowman


Good point!

Is it right to assume that pure Love encompasses all emotion in which He acts in a righteous and compassionate way. Making it possible He felt like someone stepped on His toes or went over the line, and bringing in the need for a judgement?

Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller
reply to post by etherical waterwave

 

Adam and Eve were made perfect, they should have been loyal to God. They should have trusted God when they were said they would surely die when they eat of that forbidden fruit.

If A'Dam and Eve were in fact created in Gods Image they would not have died!

Answer:That is what Gods purpose was with them my dear friend, for them to live forever and multiply. He warned them for the cause of death. Disloyalty, as it seems like.






In "The Gospel of Thomas" it is written....

Quote;

85.

Jesus said,

“A'Dam came into being
from a great power
and a great wealth,
but he did not become
worthy of you.

For had he been worthy,
he would not
have experienced
death.”

No where in your bible does it say; God Created A'Dam and Eve in their (God) Image.

It says "Let US make MAN in Our Image" Genesis Ch. 1 Verse 26.

Answer:

Genesis 3:17 And to Adam he said, "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten of the tree of which I commanded you, 'You shall not eat of it,' cursed is the ground because of you; in toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life;

Genesis 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, "You may freely eat of every tree of the garden; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall die."

Genesis 1:26Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth."

This states first man was called Adam, made in Gods image





God according to "The Gospel According to John" is dual or having two components...

a. The Word
b. The Life of God which is the Light of MAn Not A'Dam...

Hence this is why it is written "Let US make MAN in Our Image"

God has put them to the test.

Why would God need to test anything as He has Created All through J.C. before it came into being, so He already new the outcome but it is just humankind that have trouble understanding the Wisdom of God...

I understand, He did not put them to the test, He just wanted to make an agreement with them.

They did this to themselves, God felt hurt and got angry and no more Eden for Adie and Eve.

It is Not you that doeth the Works but The Father...

This is why there is forgiveness....

How does one feel when their children have been disloyal. They were warned. But God is forgiving when you act good.

God is Not human and does Not function in a human way...

Answer: Man was made in his image as said before, this should make your statement.. -> incorrect.

[edit on 15-11-2009 by The Matrix Traveller]

Ok, two things.. First, I'd like to clear up the WHY Adam and Eve were kicked out of the bible, as some people seem to be confused. It was not because they ate from the tree of knowledge, it was so that they would not eat from the tree of life, and then live forever with that knowledge (which implies that they would not live forever in the first place, doesn't it ?).

"Genesis 3:22-24 (King James Version)

22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

23Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

24So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life."


Now, as for the topic at hand... Why do people get to pick and choose what is to be taken literally in the bible, it being "gods word" and having nothing but devotion to that one god and his mandates would go against saying "this is true, but this isn't" would seem quite out of step for ones faith in my book. I say you can believe it all, or you should believe none of it. How much of a stretch of imagination is it to believe god created the world as it says in genesis if you already believe jesus was a "magical" being?

And no, I'm not a christian, but I play one on tv...lolz

reply to post by etherical waterwave


You wrote;
Quote;

Answer:

Genesis 3:17 And to Adam he said, "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten of the tree of which I commanded you, 'You shall not eat of it,' cursed is the ground because of you; in toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life;

So what's Your point here Man is Not mentioned in your quote???

Genesis 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, "You may freely eat of every tree of the garden; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall die."

So what's your point A'Dam is Not mentioned here in your Quote???

Genesis 1:26Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth."

Again WHAT is your point??? A'Dam is Not mentioned here!

This states first man was called Adam, made in Gods image

NO it doesn't!

Show me in your bible where it says....

Quote your words;

first man was called Adam

These are Your Words, and Not God's....


From The Gospel of Thomas...

Quote;

39.
Jesus said,

“The Pharisees
and the Scribes
have taken
The Keys of Knowledge[
and Hidden Them.

They themselves
have NOT entered,
nor have they allowed to enter
those who wish to.

Do you recognise the Fact that Christianity mentions the Soul as well as the Flesh?

What is the Name of your Soul???

You do Not even know the Soul or what it even looks like!

But on the other hand I can show you the Souls Construct, every component, and all its workings!

If you reject this, You Reject J.C. for it was He, that both showed me and taught me.

As He promised us, that He would take us out of the world, then put us back into the world again.

J.C. did this to me and while I was out of the World He taught me in Person.

I am a witness of Him!

Why was J.C. named the "Son of Man" and Not "The Son of A'Dam"??? Or even at the very least a descendent of A'Dam???

Jesus said to one of the others on the Cross "Truly I say unto you today You shall be in Paradise with Me!"

Now the Grave is Not Paradise, or am I missing something here?

So The "I" Component of J.C. Went to his Father and the "Carpenter" went into the Grave.

On the third day The "I" Component of J.C. Raised the Carpenter from the Dead or do you Not believe???

Just as J.C. said he would in front of Pilot.

"Destroy this Temple and in three days and I will raise it up again!"

And they all laughed at him.

So what then is the Temple He Raised???

And more to the Point who or What was the "I" Component that was to do this???

A Dead Corpse can Not give Life Only The LIFE can give Life.

J.C. Said through the Carpenter "I am The Way, The TRUTH and The LIFE!

NOT I am the Way, The Truth and The A'Dam or Flesh!!!

A'Dam Died, but You can NOT kill or Murder The LIFE of God!

J.C. Is the LIGHT or Life of God!


You have overlooking the fact that Genesis is talking about dual existence.

And the two entities have been mixed together to appear as one....

The two entities are....

a. The primate called A'Dam.
b. The Soul called Man.

God also has two as described in "The Gospel According to John"

a. The WORD.
b. The LIFE. (The Life of God is the LIGHT of Man.) (Not A'Dam)

Otherwise it would be written The Life of God is the Light of A'Dam and this is Not the case!

It is common knowledge in Religions such as Roman Doctrine falsely called Christianity today even recognise the fact of the two entities...

a. Flesh.
b. Soul.

But even they neglect the Living one, the third being.

From The Gospel of Thomas.

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52.
His disciples said to Him,

“Twenty-four prophets
spoke in Israel,
and all of them spoke in You.”

He (Jesus) said to them,

“You have omitted
The Living One
in your presence
and have spoken
only of the Dead.”

I went to the Marriage Supper as mentioned in The Revelation of J.C., sat at my Lords Table and spoke with Him.

If you are against me, you are against the one who put me back into the World, who was J.C.

[edit on 16-11-2009 by The Matrix Traveller]

reply to post by ganja


What you wrote is absolutely correct!

With regard to....

24So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life."

Yes the "Cherubim’s, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life." relate to the Soul called MAN and Not the Flesh of A'Dam or we would be able to see " The Cherubim’s, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life." on Earth today but the fact remains the Flesh Can't.

Why ????

Because " The Cherubim’s, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life." are in fact Components of the Soul and Not the Flesh i.e. The Flesh being the descendents of A'Dam.

But on the other hand Some Partitions of The Mind can see this today...

That is to say the Mind or Spirit of Life that dwells within the Soul can see "" The Cherubim’s, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.", but not the Flesh...

Most of humankind don’t even know what The Cherubim’s are or even what they look like.

On the other hand, those who have been taken out of the world, and been put back into the world, by J.C. do know!

[edit on 16-11-2009 by The Matrix Traveller]

Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller

Because " The Cherubim’s, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life." are in fact Components of the Soul and Not the Flesh i.e. The Flesh being the descendents of A'Dam.

But on the other hand Some Partitions of The Mind can see this today...

That is to say the Mind or Spirit of Life that dwells within the Soul can see "" The Cherubim’s, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.", but not the Flesh...

Most of humankind don’t even know what The Cherubim are or even what they look like.

On the other hand, those who have been taken out of the world, and been put back into the world, by J.C. do know!

[edit on 16-11-2009 by The Matrix Traveller]

Is it possible for you to reveal further details in this thread as to what the Cherubims and the flaming sword are and how they work within the souls Matrix? Is it somehow possible for (as you say) "the primate" to view these?

This is beyond amazing knowledge! Thank you so much for sharing it! Absolutely fascinating!

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