Alien Moon Base in Tycho Crater? (Kaguya, Jaxa HD image)

reply to post by Aeons


But Which image in particular you refer?

I have a question. From which imagery is the Google Moon Imagery derived from? I thought it was derived from Clementine... Which was from 94 through when? When looking at Tycho in google moon it says NASA/USGS/JAXA/SELENE. Can google moon and jaxa/selene be used for comparison... or are they the same source images? The link below is jaxa/selene which was 2007 I think. Here is why I ask. In google moon 11.5 miles NE from the center peak (43 09 18.97S, 10 38 52.01W) is what appears to be a 'face'. In the link below, you can zoom in to this 'face' and the features are the same, although a bit more blurry. Are these both the same source imagery? Edit: You have to copy the image to desktop and open it in picture and fax viewer in order to zoom to the level needed to see the face.

wms.selene.jaxa.jp...


[edit on 5-11-2009 by dennisdvx]

reply to post by dennisdvx

The Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency is providing detailed altitudinal and geological data gathered by the Kaguya lunar explorer satellite for free. Google Moon makes use of this information, along with data from other organizations such as the U.S. National Aeronautics and Space Administration, or NASA. Google Moon also offers simulated videos of the Apollo astronauts making their historic moon landing.Google may eventually provide views of other celestial bodies using data it acquires from NASA and other organizations.

And more here www.google.com...

reply to post by remymartin

Yes, I was sort of aware of all of that. So as far as the anomalies we are discussing in this thread, no special information would be needed, such as elevation, colorizing, streaming etc. I still don't know what (source) imagery I am looking at when I look at the 'face'...for example.

Originally posted by Imagir
I don't know what the hell it is...
The only thing I know is that these structures are NOT NATURAL.

In that case I have to ask you, what is your knowledge of geology, in particular Moon geology?

If you know that then I suppose you have a strong basis to make such a claim.

reply to post by dennisdvx


The image is the same, but the one on the link you posted was "painted" over a 3D model made with height data.

I am try to open the high definition files I downloaded yesterday, but apparently there aren't any programs capable of opening those files, besides the ones used by Jaxa.


Just to avoid making another post, one thing that we should remember is that not all dark areas are shadows, not all bright areas are facing the Sun, differences in brightness are common on the Moon, so that's why I always try to find more than one photo to look at one area.

Originally posted by ArMaP

Originally posted by Imagir
I don't know what the hell it is...
The only thing I know is that these structures are NOT NATURAL.

In that case I have to ask you, what is your knowledge of geology, in particular Moon geology?

If you know that then I suppose you have a strong basis to make such a claim.

Of couse I haven't.
But if I see something like this, in my opinion, IT IS NOT NATURAL.

reply to post by Imagir


Hmm i cant see it.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/55238e7d7f03.jpg[/atsimg]

reply to post by Imagir


No, that's not natural, that's image stretching.

If you really want to analyse the photos stop using Google Earth, the photos must be "shaped" to fit the virtual globe, they are divided in several smaller pieces that are joined together in real time and the system is not perfect.

Having said that, Jaxa has launched their own system, based on NASA's World Wind, available here.

The page is only in Japanese, but the blue buttons on the right, above the "Win-Linux-Solaris-MacOS(64bit Intel Mac)" and "MacOS" text will open a Java program that shows the data gathered during the mission.


Edit: I can see that photo on Google Moon, I see the same thing as remymartin.

[edit on 5/11/2009 by ArMaP]

Originally posted by ArMaP
Having said that, Jaxa has launched their own system, based on NASA's World Wind, available here.

ArMaP, what a fantastic find!

I can confirm that site is better than Google Earth, especially in the locations where they have higher resolution imagery available!

Here's an example:

Type in 24.77, 151.78 in the Google moon search box, zoom in and you get this image:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/e29e1df9c76c.jpg[/atsimg]

Now go to the same location in the Japan site you linked to and you get this image:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/c85b32077bf3.jpg[/atsimg]

See the difference? In fact it looked so much different I had to study it to make sure it's the same site, the rilles do show up on Google Moon but just barely, and look at how clear they are on the Japan site.

If I only check the Clementine box on the Japan site, then it looks more like the Google Moon image. I had to check some extra checkboxes on the left side to get extra imagery, it's a bit of trial and error for me since I don't read Japanese but basically I just saw what happens when I check the checkboxes and found one that gave me the clearer image there.

Thanks for the great advice!

Originally posted by ArMaP
reply to post by Imagir

 

No, that's not natural, that's image stretching.

If you really want to analyse the photos stop using Google Earth, the photos must be "shaped" to fit the virtual globe, they are divided in several smaller pieces that are joined together in real time and the system is not perfect.

Having said that, Jaxa has launched their own system, based on NASA's World Wind, available here.

The page is only in Japanese, but the blue buttons on the right, above the "Win-Linux-Solaris-MacOS(64bit Intel Mac)" and "MacOS" text will open a Java program that shows the data gathered during the mission.

 

Edit: I can see that photo on Google Moon, I see the same thing as remymartin.

[edit on 5/11/2009 by ArMaP]

H-E-L-P! I clicked on the link above and I downloaded or uploaded or upgraded Intel Driver Upgrade Utility. It said Product Detected: Intel 915/910G and showed "Newer Driver Available" - File Size: 8.908 MB and I clicked on Download Now and went through the procedure. After my PC restarted I was startled to see my desktop icons neatly arranged on the left side of the screen BUT everything had been minimized! Similar to when you use the page magnifier and you cut it down to 50%. I'm scared as hell as I want to back out of this and I'm wondering if a simple System Restore will bring me back to my old computer with the pages back to normal size. I don't need to see moon photos in better resolution, I'll leave that to you guys.

Can someone offer me some advice on what to do, please?

PHEW! I took a chance and after doing a System Restore after the Intel Driver update I did a System Restore for 11/4 and my PC is back to normal! I can now go to sleep in peace. I'm gonna leave higher resolution photos of the lunar surface to the big boys, I'm not in your league. If everything hadn't shrunk I could have possibly lived with the change. NASA's World Wind may be the cat's meow but did you guys go through what I just went through withe smaller everything and you accepted it? Does NASA know about this PC screen change? Inquisitive minds wanna know!


[edit on 6-11-2009 by The Shrike]

Originally posted by The Shrike
Can someone offer me some advice on what to do, please?

Sorry you had a problem, I never got prompted to update any drivers, it just installed the software that's their version of Google earth and I had to give my firewall permission but that's it.

Sounds like your screen resolution might have changed when the driver updated.

If you're on windows, right click the desktop and then properties, go to the settings tab to see what your screen resolution is, sometimes updating a driver will change that. If you know what the screen resolution was before and liked that better, then all you have to do is change it back. Even if you don't know what it was before, you can change it to a lower resolution anyway, just pick one and see how it looks.

But really the higher resolution is better, if that's what it did to your system, increased the resolution. Yes it shrinks the icons and everything else, but there's an option to use large icons, you find that the same way as the settings but the "use large icons" option is on a different tab. You can also enlarge all the other applications including the browser ro compensate, and everything is sharper.

Edit: I see you edited your post to say the system restore worked! Glad you solved that problem. I'll leave the rest of my post up in case anyone else has the same problem as you, it sounds like you just had a resolution change when your driver updated.

[edit on 6-11-2009 by Arbitrageur]

reply to post by remymartin


Active "Mosaic Lunar Orbiter" in Google Moon. And see the difference.

I would want to know your opinion also on this...



And THIS...

reply to post by ArMaP


Thanx, thats the answer I think I was looking for

Originally posted by Imagir
reply to post by remymartin

 

Active "Mosaic Lunar Orbiter" in Google Moon. And see the difference.

Do you mean the moon part of Google Earth 5.0? If so I'm having a hard time finding that option there, can you give me a hint where to look?

Thanks.

reply to post by Arbitrageur


Sorry, I've upgrade google moon automayically, and it give the option mosaic in the side bar

reply to post by Imagir

Originally posted by Imagir
I would want to know your opinion also on this...

Thanks, upgrading from Google Earth 5.0 to 5.1 gave me that option too, so now I'm looking for those white squiggly lines. My latitude shows N or S after it like yours shows 3 55'S, but my longitude shows E or W after it, and I see what looks like an "O" after your 17 41' longitude, what's that O for and how do I find those coordinates? I tried 17 41' E and 17 41'W and they don't match your 17 41' O.

[edit on 6-11-2009 by Arbitrageur]

reply to post by Arbitrageur


O=Ovest=West.

reply to post by Imagir


Those look like marks made while processing the film inside Lunar Orbiter, it was a conventional (meaning not digital) camera and the film was processed and scanned on board, then sent to Earth, where the process was reversed to make the photos.

A better explanation is available here.