9/11? Truthers are the real hoaxers...

reply to post by tomfrusso


Why would it be a joke? Has our government never lied to us? Didn't we learn, many years later, that FDR did know that Pearl Harbor was going to occur and did nothing to prevent it to get public support to enter WWII? I'm not saying the millions of theories floating around are true and I agree that many are outright comical, but what I absolutely do support is another investigation into the attacks. When committee members say they were blatantly lied to during the inquest something is very wrong. When after eight years there are far more questions remaining than answers provided something is wrong.

As I said before, even if the only thing to come out of it is that every government official was negligent and incompetent it would still be closer to the actual events than what we have been fed.

Originally posted by crmanager
Short and to the point...

Before 9/11 we were split and divided as a nation and a world.

After 9/11, even if it was briefly, the nation and the world was united in its disgust at the act. Then you TRUTHERS came

You divided! You lied (missles, CIA, Bilderberg, NWO, Dick Cheney...)

My opinion? YOU are the NWO. YOU are the attempt to drive us apart.

I can't agree. The way I see it, the problem is with all these damned fool 9/11 conspiracy web sites feeding these people all this rubbish in order to get them all paranoid so they're buy the rubbish they're selling. All you need to do is look at the Loose Change web site to see that it's practically an online shopping mall of T-shirts, baseball caps, DVDs, etc, and listening to jerks like Alex Jones is tantamount to drinking poison. He does absolutely positively nothing but make people feel more and more paranoid and helpless. Did that guy ever actually lift a finger to do anything about all those things he's complaining about???

The truthers certainly aren't stupid. They're simply swallowing the rubbish these web sites are feeding them becuase these web sites have a vested interest in NOT telling them the whole story. Seriously now, if anyone walked up to you and verbally told you that the gov't faked 9/11 as an excuse to invade that worthless toilet of a country of Afghanistan, or left a handout on your windshield saying the gov't created a fake crash in Pennsylvania and turned around and covered up the fake crash site they faked, you'd laugh yourself silly.

All you need is a pretty, professional looking web site, and you can even get people to believe the planes were holograms and never really existed to begin with. You can sell dog poop to people if you know how to market it properly.

Originally posted by GoodOlDave
All you need to do is look at the Loose Change web site to see that it's practically an online shopping mall of T-shirts, baseball caps, DVDs, etc,

What do I see when I go to Oreilly.com again? Oh, that's right, an on-line shopping mall of T-shirts, baseball caps, DVD's etc. I don't see you ranting about him and his site, now do I?

BTW, I like Bill. So don't even try that argument.

[edit on 27-10-2009 by Nutter]

Originally posted by crmanager
You hate the fact that people saw evil face to face and you LIVE that evil. YOU want anarchy and socialism.

LOL Anarchism and Socialism are direct democratic systems.

What isn't truly democratic is capitalism as it favours the most wealthy and connected, not what is most desired by society. Those who we vote for only get to the point of being voted for if they had the money to run.
That is not democracy, but a pre-selected choice provided by the state.
We get to choose who 'the state' decides to allow us to choose. That is nothing more than a glorified dictatorship with the illusion of choice.
It's a wealth is might system, not democracy.

You've just completely fallen for the conditioning provided to you by your friendly state system. It's time to shake off that conditioning and wake up to the real world.

Originally posted by Sinder
Obvious disinfo.

Please delete this thread.

I love this thread - not that I agree with it but a thread like this will show everyones TRUE colors now won't it?

Delete this thread? DELETE THIS THREAD?

Why? Because YOU don't agree with it? Because YOU have your own ideas, like the OP does except on the opposite end of what YOU feel is reality? Because YOU are right about everything because YOU say so?

Take a step back and look at your demand.

Close a thread becauase it doesn't fit into your idea of what happened or how the follow-up should be handled?

Now, I have to admit that the thread made me chuckle when I read it.

Do I agree with what the OP is going on about?...ummm..NO

Do I agree with the about 98% of truther "no plane its a hologram no its a missle no its a laser beam no its a bomb no wait its thermite or maybe termites" threads on here....ummmm that a big NO as well....but each person on here has a right to voice what they feel is their own opinion until the owners, mods or the CIA tells them to stop.

Now, where did I put my my tin foil hat? Oh yeah - its in my under ground bunker. I'm gonna need that hat and maybe a helmet 'cause I have a feeling I am going to get slammed for my comments because, even though I dont agree with the OP, I didn't join in with you guys and your witch hunt to flame him back to the stone ages.

Ok - carry on with whatever you were carrying on about before I carried myself in here and took the time to care about the direction of this thread.

Dorian Soran

Anyone searching for the truth(wherever that may lead) cannot honestly look at 9/11 and still believe the official story holds any weight. No im not talking about how the towers came down specifically. Whether you believe it was like the official story claimed be it demolition,no plane theory,HAARP etc etc As i have not been convinced of any, it may well have simply been the planes and fire. What i am convinced of is that 9/11 was allowed to occur intentionally by the American government and those behind the curtain for a means to their own end. I for one cannot overlook the absolute staggering amount of synchronicity and strategic moves that happened before 9/11 and after from financial,economical,domestic policy and foreign policy to name a few which aligned together absolutely perfectly because of the attack. A coincidence can only stretch so far imo.

[edit on 27-10-2009 by Solomons]

Most of the supposed hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. Why then did we attack Iraq? Saddam Hussein did not like Al Queda or the Taliban because they were religious zealots whom he feared would overthrow his secular government.

Why did we not attack Saudi Arabia where the supposed hijackers came from?

Why did we not attack Pakistan which has always been the stronghold of the Taliban?

HOW COME HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF PROFITEERING have been made on the war by Bush and Cheney's supporters and Dick Cheney directly? Yes I know his share of the profits went into escrow while he was VP. But he has them now doesn't he?

Donald Rumsfeld gave Saddam Hussein the go ahead to attack Kuwait, then used it as a pretense to attack Iraq in the first gulf war.

Saddam gassed the Kurds with weapons supplied by the United States CIA. That was also used as a pretense that he had WMD.

YOUR GOVERNMENT LIES TO YOU AND YOU IGNORE IT.

Originally posted by Nutter
What do I see when I go to Oreilly.com again? Oh, that's right, an on-line shopping mall of T-shirts, baseball caps, DVD's etc. I don't see you ranting about him and his site, now do I?

That's right, I don't, mainly becuase I don't listen to Bill O'Reilly so I've no idea what's on his web site.

What does he have anything to do with anything?

I respect your view OP, and i'm not gonna crap on your thread.. But honestly The day i seen them 3 huge buildings turn into a puff of dust, steel and all. I knew that something was'nt right..

Surely you can understand this?
Did you not see for yourself?

My friend, ive never bought anything, from any conspiracy site. Nor have i subscribed to any site, blog or newsletter, i refuse to. The truth is free, its the persons own problem if they let themselfs be exploited.

I have always been on the fence when it comes to people claiming that they know the truth.. Everyone of them have a differant story, and all of them cant possibly be right, eh?

What i do, is look at the imformation for myself, and draw my own conclusions, not listening to anyone but myself.

I would bet my life, no problem what so ever. That 9/11, is a conspiracy. I dont know who's involved, or who new about ok.

My friend, buildings dont come down like this, they really dont. Especially one that wasnt even hit by a plane.

I hope one day, we will all know the truth once and for all, and when we do, it will be a new dawn, we will be free again.

I just ignore the crazy theories. I can see where your coming from though, better to have our empire united so we can gain more power through our wars than to have our populace cripple our future prosperity by stopping an unjust war. It certainly is one patriotic point of view.

However I guess I'm just not that patriotic, I was born in America but the beauty is that America allows me to identify as a citizen of the World, as a human being, and so I have to say that I'd rather the Truth be known and America be a bit divided than lies be told and senseless wars unfold.

P.S. can you show me any credible, scientific inquiry into:

A) The flashing lights that look just like a controlled demolition
B) The miraculous falling of all three buildings as though guided by the hand of God, or from a controlled demolition
C) WTC 7 buckling in a place it was not hit or damaged, and falling just like in a controlled demolition

If you can provide me with some info that would give me a point of reference and adequately refute the theories behind this that show we were lied to I will be happy to read them and seriously consider changing my stance on this subject like any rational being would.

Originally posted by GoodOlDave

Originally posted by Nutter
What do I see when I go to Oreilly.com again? Oh, that's right, an on-line shopping mall of T-shirts, baseball caps, DVD's etc. I don't see you ranting about him and his site, now do I?

That's right, I don't, mainly becuase I don't listen to Bill O'Reilly so I've no idea what's on his web site.

What does he have anything to do with anything?

Bill O'Reilly thinks that "truthers" are nuts. So, therefore you agree with him on that. Yet you ignore him or anyone else who sells things on their webpage because they agree with you. But, then turn around and condemn someone else who doesn't believe the same as you for selling things on their website. I was just pointing out your hypocrisy.

Originally posted by Nutter
Bill O'Reilly thinks that "truthers" are nuts. So, therefore you agree with him on that. Yet you ignore him or anyone else who sells things on their webpage because they agree with you. But, then turn around and condemn someone else who doesn't believe the same as you for selling things on their website. I was just pointing out your hypocrisy.

Ah, I see your logic. You would have had a point, except for the fact that I don't think the truthers are nuts. I believe they're simply being fed a lot of adverse paranoia by the snake oil peddlers that run those damned fool conspiracy web sites, so therefore I DON'T necessarily agree with Bill O'Reilly on this or any other particular topic for that matter, and therefore, I can freely comment on his selling knicknacks on his web site. I am not a Bill O'Reilly groupie, so therefore, there is no hypocracy.

On the other hand, it may just lend more credibility to my claim that the truthers are simply swallowing whatever rubbish these 9/11 conspiracy web sites are putting out. Tell me, how the heck did you get the idea I was a Bill O'Reilly groupie in the first place, may I ask...?

cr, I have to credit you for this: You've got a swinging pair for certain.

I read some of the wild speculations, and it becomes quickly clear that some folks did way too much acid in their past.

Nano-thermite? Missiles? HAARP?

Controlled demolition? Being as demolition was a specialty of mine, the wild speculations indicate they don't know **** about explosives, what they're capable of, how they behave, or what results are possible.

I almost fell over in my chair.

Everyone needs a delusion I suppose, so maybe we shouldn't deny them theirs.

Opps. My alien anal probe is shifting or something.

Gotta go.

Jim Morrison, Elvis, and I have plans to get skunked tonite, and I'm going to be late.

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reply to post by crmanager

"Are you serious? Anyone with a brain knows that a micro nuke/Dick Cheney in a ninja suit/the woman who said she heard an explosion/my uncle Bob is the truth."

It’s ok to have an opinion, nothing wrong in that but, you have demonstrated how uninformed you really are. I gave you some very good links and sources showing where the OS is a lie, yet you choose to ignore it and ridicule the posters who know the real facts.

No one on ATS that I know of has ever made such ridiculous claims of “Dick Cheney in a ninja suit”. The truth movement does not support such nonsense.

When I ask a debunkers this question that I am going to ask you, most debunkers always put me on ignore when I ask them. Are YOU going to do the same or are you willing to answer my question?

The question:

Why do you believe in the OS and what was the “real undisputed evidences” that convinced you that the OS is truth?
Please answer the question, thank you.



[edit on 27-10-2009 by impressme]

reply to post by GoodOlDave


I used Bill O'reilly as an example. Take any example you wish to take. How about ATS? I don't see you ranting on about how they make money through their sponsership who sells products do I?

Originally posted by honkusbobo
People, please don't further contribute to this thread. Let it go down in flames where it rightly belongs.

Sad to see that it didnt.

Well. If your claiming that ALL the info that has surfaced over the past 9 years is fabricated and has no basis in truth whatsoever then i would bet my right thumb that you have personally read less than 1% of the info you claim is garbage, and you are simply a weak minded individual who is utterly terrified of the things you dont understand. baaaaaaahhhh *munch *munch

You may re-insert your digits back into their warm homes, firmly in you're ear canals.

reply to post by crmanager


Apparently, you're the definition of ignorance, and then some as you're blind and inept to reading anyone else's standpoint, instead, you find it efficient to disregard that of other posts and provide a rebuttal, therefore, you're classified as a 'troll'.

I also direct you to this post;

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Sir, I would recommend you just leave ATS, because your points are invalid. Many debunkers are much more intelligent, and have provided better data to the situation at hand, you, you're just a troll.

reply to post by impressme


AS in your signature, good lad.

This post should be tossed into BTS as it's nothing more than a failing troll attempt.

So I'm curios OP, because I don't know what happened on 9/11. I mean I don't know how the buildings actually fell or who was behind it. What do you think happened?