I'm Calling Out All Yee Believer's Of "Webbot/Time Wave Zero" Programs?

Right but what defines how the peaks form and when etc? What is the basis of this prediction?

[edit on 25/10/09 by hey1212]


From what I gather its all the possible combinations or sequences of the I Ching hexagrams spread across a wave. The I Ching is basically a book of chance where you have 3 tokens and depending on the combination of the tokens like 2 out of 3 being the same you would draw a line or 2 lines . You do it three times and then you correspond that to the page of the I Ching where that hexagram is located to receive your fortune for that day or whatever. Terrence Mckenna came up with an algorithm that stretched all the possible hexagram combinations into a timeline or timewave. Ending at 12-21-2012.

Originally posted by hey1212
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Yea but what about Time Wave Zero? Whats your views in it? How does it predict things? Is it the same thing?

The point of TWZ is that one day is not the same the next in terms of the potential for things to happen. The same effort applied equally on two different days may come up with different results or degrees of success.

So what's up with that? Its akin to the idea of fate having a hand in things. You have to admit that equal effort does not always guarantee equal results.

The ancient Chinese philosophy (?) if I Ching addressed these issues and they were picked up and reinterpreted by Terrence McKenna. They actually were able to plot out a graph that showed when "fate" was likely to intervene. They called those days of increased "novelty". Those are times that are ripe for significant things to happen -- not necessarily good or bad things, just things that have great potential to bring about change.

Alternatively, the graph shows when things will settle into familiar routines; and change is not likely. Sometimes the low change times are the worst because old habitual and perhaps unsuccessful ways are used instead of trying new things.

Sometimes the TWZ graph and the Webbot seems to both point to certain days as being ripe with possibility. The Webbot usually attempts to predict specific events while the TWZ only shows a day is ripe for something to happen.

I have just come to accept that paranoid people need to have a 'structure' to their paranoia. A day of gloom, gives them somewhat of a structure. Most likely, the majority of these 'groups' will link into a new 'day' or 'event' to structure their chaotic thoughts.

What is most odd is that alot of these people are the one's saying to others 'dont live in fear'....'face your inner self'.....'know that this life is just an illusion and the true life comes later'....

Or something like that

They cover their own fear...with fear.

I find no real standing ground with any dates of 'gloom' or 'change'.

Im flagging this just cause Im tired of seeing so many living in a fear of the 'end'. Just live it up people!! Your wasting so much time with 'worries'. Being prepared for catastrophes is not the same as awaiting one.

I dont mean to offend...
LV

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I agree with you that there is altogether too much focus on doom and gloom in the world today -- and especially in the world of ATS.


I worry about self fulfilling prophesy.

I think the TWZ thing is interesting just in terms of it possibly giving some structure as you say to what seemed like the otherwise random occurence of "good" days and "bad" days that we all have. Its all new to me and don't really know what to make of it.

For sure though, if there is any power I have left in this scenario to make things better than they are, and the best that they can be, then I choose to exercise that power and not worry about some doom that is going to happen beyond our control. To me, if there is anything to this TWZ then I want to see if I can capitalize on it and use it to my/my loved one's advantage.

For example, I stated in another thread that I find meditation to be helpful generally - sometimes more than others. I am going to be meditating during the upcoming low point of the TWZ and see if it is any more successful and powerful than usual. -- Just a personal experiment with this thing.

[edit on 10/25/2009 by wayno]

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Cheers guys for taking the time with your informative posts!

I appreciate it cos while reading them I remembered that I saw a documentary on this once. It does sound more interesting than the webbot but can see how they might interact.

It now understand why people reference them. Have they been credited with any significant predictions? What about 9/11, 7/7, Madrid train bomb, tsunami's etc?


Edit: Oops bad spelling needed fixed!


[edit on 25/10/09 by hey1212]

I think the web bot is a really interesting tool, but I don't think it could possibly be useful unless it were in the hands of a psychic or at least someone who has a good understanding of archetypes and how they interact.

For instance, I get a lot of useful information out of my tarot card deck, but if someone who didn't know how to use them picked them up and tried to tell my future it would be a dismal failure. They'd get something like the Death card and predict my doom, or something like that.

These web bot guys have a great tool, but they're in way over their heads. They don't have a clue how to interpret the data. IMO.

From what I've read of the "web-bot", it's an attempt to use current language to predict possible future events. The theory, as I understand it, is that whenever there's an event of major proportions - that is, when many people are strongly emotionally affected by it - there is a sort of foreshadowing of it in our language. It is as though humanity itself somehow senses what is going to happen, and thus we tend to talk more about it *before* it happens. So for example if there is a major earthquake, each individual person might not sense any such thing, but overall, supposedly "random" talk would mention earthquakes more frequently than usua. The web-bot is supposed to be able to identify such linguistic indicators (not just words, but also phrases and other language-related methods).

The idea is intriguing. Unfortunately, the implementation so far is inadequate to properly test the idea. If you read the "predictions", they are as vague as newspaper horoscopes. While the bot can amass huge amounts of data and present it in some sort of organized form, it requires a human to interpret what the data means. So far it hasn't been fully automated, meaning someone has to try to make sense of the various possible trends. You don't get solid predictions.

The timewave notion seems to be based on I Ching, which already makes it somewhat vague. I Ching has entries such as, "the little fox crosses the water; the tip of his tail is wet. If he is sincere, no blame".

You've only got 4096 possible outcomes for I Ching (4^6th power). From what I can see, the entire timewave idea is based on some arbitrary events, one of which is the bombing of Hiroshima.

I have seen nothing in either of these technologies that suggests they are any more accurate than just throwing I Ching yourself, using Tarot cards, or talking to a psychic.

I have seen some pretty lame attempts to retroactively force events into the predictions. For example, supposedly web-bot was talking about a major earthquake. When this failed to materialize, someone suggested that web-bot was actually referring to the news of the Madoff Ponzi scheme. That's almost sad...

The way to put either of these to the test is to come up with some predictions *BEFORE* the events, post them (also before the events or the target date), and then wait and see what happens. You'd need to post all the predictions, so as to keep track of both hits and misses. I mean, if you predict enough events, you're going to get a hit now and then. I can predict a major earthquake every day. One of these days, it's going to happen.

So: specific event, for a specific place and reasonably short time frame. "Major earthquake some time in the next year" isn't good enough. "8.0 or greater quake on the San Andreas fault during the first week of November", that's probably good enough.

Most of what I've seen have been excited posts that tell us some event was predicted. Often there is no record of the prediction until after the event happens. But even if there is - it's one prediction, taken in isolation. How many misses were there, before this one hit? None? Just a few? Or a whole lot of them?

Neither Webbot or the Timewave window has occurred yet. It looks like some people glossed over the headlines of forum posts without actually reading the content of the predictions.

Didn't web-bot and time wave forecast this week to be particularly bad?

This will be a good time to see if they are reliable or just more hogwash.

TWZ 2012/dec/12 was setup arbitrarily by Terrance McKenna. He set the date and it seemed to fit historical events so he chose it as the end date. That is the one part of the formula that is not set in stone. Please notice that there are many other graphs . His graph is the "King Wen- Sheliak". There are at least 2 other "King Wen" interpertations that result in totally different graphs. Of course there is two other "Huang Ti and Franklin" graphs.

See all the graphs here...
the TimeWave Zero different graphs

Originally posted by AmethystSD

For instance, I get a lot of useful information out of my tarot card deck, but if someone who didn't know how to use them picked them up and tried to tell my future it would be a dismal failure. They'd get something like the Death card and predict my doom, or something like that.

These web bot guys have a great tool, but they're in way over their heads. They don't have a clue how to interpret the data. IMO.

Yea interesting you say that because it brings up the point, who ever decided what they mean? I assume they were guessed! Could be wrong but thats usually how most of our beliefs were formed before becoming widespread "fact"

Sorry for having a go but you can't say your methods interpretations are correct just because its a longer practice. I hope you see where I'm coming from.

Originally posted by chiron613
From what I've read of the "web-bot", it's an attempt to use current language to predict possible future events. The theory, as I understand it, is that whenever there's an event of major proportions - that is, when many people are strongly emotionally affected by it - there is a sort of foreshadowing of it in our language. It is as though humanity itself somehow senses what is going to happen, and thus we tend to talk more about it *before* it happens. So for example if there is a major earthquake, each individual person might not sense any such thing, but overall, supposedly "random" talk would mention earthquakes more frequently than usua. The web-bot is supposed to be able to identify such linguistic indicators (not just words, but also phrases and other language-related methods).

Yes but as I stated earlier the webbot will only be taking into account the words of english speaking countries so can't predict worldwide earth quakes or the bombs in Iraq etc

In fact the webbot is probably only a google tool or something! LOL


However, I'm not just here to slate these things but I want to learn more about peoples interpretatons.

What about the guy that made it. Is he a genius or a nut?

Originally posted by ExPostFacto
Neither Webbot or the Timewave window has occurred yet. It looks like some people glossed over the headlines of forum posts without actually reading the content of the predictions.

Oh?

Well you just can't march in here with such a bold statement and not follow up!!!

Spill the beans on your unrest!

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Yes my equine friend. What a lovely mane you have.

They have been the subject of proof for forthcoming doom.

The day ain't over yet.. .LOL!

My interpretation of the latest Web Bot report is that things start heading downhill starting today.

Of course depending on your viewpoint things have been heading downhill for a very long time.

Originally posted by true-life
TWZ 2012/dec/12 was setup arbitrarily by Terrance McKenna. He set the date and it seemed to fit historical events so he chose it as the end date. His graph is the "King Wen- Sheliak". There are at least 2 other "King Wen" interpertations that result in totally different graphs. Of course there is two other "Huang Ti and Franklin" graphs.

Thanks for the link. I had a wee nosey.

The 3 different graphs are totally different and offer no clear peaks or dips that aren't contradicted by the other!

I might make my own chart based on the theory that every 12 days people get angry!

Im with you the whole way. Its all a load of bunk designed to make $$$.
Problem is a lot of people put their faith in this junk and it controls/ruins their lives when they should be enjoying it.
Someone said at least its better than the 2012 thing, i view it as just as bad, but hey us humans are a gullible lot.

Originally posted by emsed1
The day ain't over yet.. .LOL!

My interpretation of the latest Web Bot report is that things start heading downhill starting today.

Of course depending on your viewpoint things have been heading downhill for a very long time.

Aha!!! We have a live one!!!


You see how can you interpret anything off the webbot? Did the people release the top 10 words used by these search engines or what?

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Cheers but how is this information released?

Does it spurt out top used words or then Dr Webbot puts them into a sentence?

Your guess is as good as mine, i wouldnt be suprised if its just 2 guys and a monkey making it all up, putting it in a pdf and charging people for the priviledge of being enlightened.