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National Emergency Act : Know Your Law, When Law Is Suspended, and You May Be Arrested
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Lots of regurgitation, anti-US-govt fear, and myths in this thread.
Blackwater/Xe are the best shooters and paid well to do so. Yes there is a secondary force with Infragard that started up after Katrina as part of emergency management and improvements in FEMA. All for the protection of the US. This is a good thing.
There were murder gangs post Katrina that were taking advantage of the situation by killing innocents who were trying to survive, under the law they were sniped. No other choice.
Oklahoma John Doe was a fed. Also broke up a bigger organized crime network but lost alot of lives. There are bad people in the world and they accomplish death and destruction. We are smarter now.
Bank computer maintenance was probably a mandatory cyberattack prevention. October is national cyberterrorism awareness month... did anyone know that? Cyberterrorism is really big. Read up on it.
The US government doesn't want to own you. We are a democracy and the best country in the world. Our government has no desire to enslave us and there are measures to protect us. However, there are outside forces that do want to enslave us in Islam. It's curious that Obama is an apostate to Islam and we'll see how that plays out. It would be good if the Caliphate was not allowed to form and become the worlds biggest power.
Nukes in Iran combined with nukes in Pakistan make the OIC 101 weapons armed and pointed at us. Along with sleeper cells firmly planted in the US there is still a threat of terrorism in a dozen cities here. The recent pick up of the clerics son in Boston, and the NYC round up, combined with Savage's book about CAIR has aggitated the hornets nest. An EMP would be harmful to us but it's quite possible (another reason the banks might have done emergency backups, surely there is a bank employee on this forum that can fill us in).
No reason to panic at this point. We have another month until the Christian and Jewish holidays. Meanwhile, it's a good time to do research and simmer down.
Drudge Report is even quiet. That's an indication that we are in the lull. Use the time wisely.
Blackwater/Xe are the best shooters and paid well to do so. Yes there is a secondary force with Infragard that started up after Katrina as part of emergency management and improvements in FEMA. All for the protection of the US. This is a good thing.
There were murder gangs post Katrina that were taking advantage of the situation by killing innocents who were trying to survive, under the law they were sniped. No other choice.
Oklahoma John Doe was a fed. Also broke up a bigger organized crime network but lost alot of lives. There are bad people in the world and they accomplish death and destruction. We are smarter now.
Bank computer maintenance was probably a mandatory cyberattack prevention. October is national cyberterrorism awareness month... did anyone know that? Cyberterrorism is really big. Read up on it.
The US government doesn't want to own you. We are a democracy and the best country in the world. Our government has no desire to enslave us and there are measures to protect us. However, there are outside forces that do want to enslave us in Islam. It's curious that Obama is an apostate to Islam and we'll see how that plays out. It would be good if the Caliphate was not allowed to form and become the worlds biggest power.
Nukes in Iran combined with nukes in Pakistan make the OIC 101 weapons armed and pointed at us. Along with sleeper cells firmly planted in the US there is still a threat of terrorism in a dozen cities here. The recent pick up of the clerics son in Boston, and the NYC round up, combined with Savage's book about CAIR has aggitated the hornets nest. An EMP would be harmful to us but it's quite possible (another reason the banks might have done emergency backups, surely there is a bank employee on this forum that can fill us in).
No reason to panic at this point. We have another month until the Christian and Jewish holidays. Meanwhile, it's a good time to do research and simmer down.
Drudge Report is even quiet. That's an indication that we are in the lull. Use the time wisely.
PS. The swine flu was accidently (?) released by the Mexican government. Started in Vera Cruz, spread to Mexico City, the most populous city on the
planet and then all over the world. All countries have biologicals in their arsonals. The guards in Mexico were battling the drug gangs who had
infiltrated the government, behind closed doors a deal took place but the virus was already on the street. Oopsie.
Would have happened sooner if Vincenze Fox's son wasn't busted doing a deal with the Russian mafia... but anyway, it was inevitable. Nice neighbor we have in Mexico... yay for tacos.
Meanwhile some elites are making a $hitton of money on the swine flu and it is testing our laws and ethics. 50% of Americans will not get vaccinated. The flu will spread, many will die, but that's the nature of the beast.
State of emergency gives the president power but he's not fully insulated from what he has to do. There are law enforcement in place that will protect us from a rogue president. Many politicians are actors and what happens behind closed doors is what is important.
When I was in hurricane Andrew I experienced national guard protection and it was nice. They are there to help and not hurt people that abide by law.
Would have happened sooner if Vincenze Fox's son wasn't busted doing a deal with the Russian mafia... but anyway, it was inevitable. Nice neighbor we have in Mexico... yay for tacos.
Meanwhile some elites are making a $hitton of money on the swine flu and it is testing our laws and ethics. 50% of Americans will not get vaccinated. The flu will spread, many will die, but that's the nature of the beast.
State of emergency gives the president power but he's not fully insulated from what he has to do. There are law enforcement in place that will protect us from a rogue president. Many politicians are actors and what happens behind closed doors is what is important.
When I was in hurricane Andrew I experienced national guard protection and it was nice. They are there to help and not hurt people that abide by law.
Originally posted by m khan
There is something "fishy" going on with the banks under this emergency.
www.boston.com...
We probably won't find out what it is until it's too late to do anything about it.
Unfortunately, it already is too late.
Swine Flu was an excuse and not resolving it was the action to get that excuse used.
National Emergency is the cure, and the Healthcare Reform Act, and the bio-chip will be the punchline.
Originally posted by Emerald The Paradigm
reply to post by JJay55
You are very confused.
The people who have the nukes are the same people who are taking your money away via taxes.
Wake up.
Yes, and they use events as excuses to make other events happen.
A nuke, or even a suitcase nuke would not be difficult to put into play.
I find it interesting that Wall Street funded the rise of Russia by the Bolshevik Revolution.
Creating our enemy seems to be something the elite power brokers know well.
Originally posted by Hitemhard
I know this might sound a bit odd, but mu wife pointed out that it was very interesting that this is happening just as they are trying to finalize the whole Health care reform debacle. Do you think Obama would try to abuse his powers under national security, in an effort to pass this bill (because of the "evil swine flu") and not have to deal with the opposition?
It would make sense wouldn't it? He keeps getting stopped at every turn by opposition, so in turn, what better way to actually do what you want, than to make the opposition a non-issue? "Oh you oppose my health care bill? Too bad, this is a matter of national security, so suck it up!" The same excuse could be used on how he's handling the economy. "Oh you don't like that I'm giving bailout money to failing banks and businesses? You don't like that I'm taking control over car dealers? Sorry, your opinion no longer matters as this is a national emergency, and as such, what I say goes... at least for the next 2 years" Sadly... by then 2 years will be WAY too late.
Congratulations you liberal monkeys! You elected the very first dictator to America I hope you're happy with your "King"
Interesting theory you postulate, the one part you have incorrect though, is that they do not think they are abusing their power, or their authority.
Swine Flu was an excuse to enact National Emergency powers.
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...which is all connected together through this...
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...because under National Emergency they can and will do any damn thing they want to...
The problem is your last comment about him telling people to suck it up is exactly right, under a National Emergency, the laws are drastically different, people even reciting their Constitutional Rights, have none.
Originally posted by bonzye
Does any of this sound suspicious? Banks going down the @#!% hole. Iran threats at its peak. Web Bots Predicting something big gonna happen. It looks like things are lining up for a disaster
Indeed the timing is all suspicious as Hell and with the controversy being so many different things at once I see war on the horizon and on American soil as well.
I think this will be worse, far worse than anyone ever thought possible.
Even worse then Nazi Germany.
This time there will be no Swastika.
All of covered under National Emergency and the fact that you have zero rights now.
What did you think of the laws posted in the original post?
Originally posted by LadySkadi
Originally posted by Hitemhard
I know this might sound a bit odd, but mu wife pointed out that it was very interesting that this is happening just as they are trying to finalize the whole Health care reform debacle. Do you think Obama would try to abuse his powers under national security, in an effort to pass this bill (because of the "evil swine flu") and not have to deal with the opposition?
SNIP
I think this is the most logical scenario, at present. However, I don't think he will come out and make it a demand, he won't need to. The fear tactics and media will sway the people (as it always does. Why this always happens is another question to ask...) and pressure will be on Congress to make it so. One thing I can believe about the Pres. is that an opportunity will not be passed up and this is a grand one...
I have a feeling you are very correct.
I do not see threats coming from Obama because he has no need to do so.
I have a feeling though because people have a difficult time thinking things through that the threats and violence will come from the uninformed masses, who do not think things through except with the thoughts of weapons, C-4, and mass violence.
I wrote a thread on here, on how to legally, and non-violently, overthrow the Government.
Got little to no attention because people are so indoctrinated into the belief that violence is the only way and their only resource to beat people who they see as evil.
I often wonder what happened to knowing how to out-think the adversary.
Is it the Hollywood glamour of violence and the reptilian mind, the part of the brain that craves sex, violence, and lowbrow thinking combined with the Mainstream Media that has so indoctrinated humans the world over to be so ready to accept a fate of committing violence as a means for a resolution.
It saddens me that people just do not seem to know how to think anymore.
Strategy is a lost artform because violence should be a last resort not the first action.
Originally posted by Lil Drummerboy
This may be off topic but here is something I have noticed. At one company I work at I have noticed an increase in foreign drivers. Not Hispanic but somewhere else like Russian. and these guys can barely speak English. I also have a second job that has me traveling the states. I have noticed the same thing elsewhere. it may seem like a stretch to be mentioning this, but givin the circumstances we may be heading in, I thought it was worthy of mentioning.
Interesting.
How it that tied to National Emergency and the current state of the world though?
Are you stating that because of the laws and the influence of society that this might affect people during a crisis, or that it may make the problem far worse because people will have difficulty understanding the ramifications of issues happening in the world and the United States of America due to this influx of foreigners?
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas
Can you link to this thread about overthrowing the government non violently. I am always interested in non violent means to an end.
Can you link to this thread about overthrowing the government non violently. I am always interested in non violent means to an end.
Originally posted by Seiko
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas
Can you link to this thread about overthrowing the government non violently. I am always interested in non violent means to an end.
There you go.
How To Overthrow Your Own Government, Legally and Without Violence, In Order To Survive
Basically stated therein, use the tools, and templates they use, and outsmart them.
Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
Originally posted by Seiko
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas
Can you link to this thread about overthrowing the government non violently. I am always interested in non violent means to an end.
There you go.
How To Overthrow Your Own Government, Legally and Without Violence, In Order To Survive
Basically stated therein, use the tools, and templates they use, and outsmart them.
Great, do the work for the muslims then they can just march in and convert the rest of us.
Originally posted by The Vagabond
With all due respect to the point you're making with regard to the structure of the law, it is impossible for any constitutional right to ever be suspended by law. It takes the constitution to outweigh the constitution.
If a federal official attempts to deny you a constitutional right, then it is your duty as an American to exercise your second amendment right to bear arms against that official.
I know the government might think it can suspend constitutional rights, and the courts may agree, but that's not the social contract upon which this nation was founded, the constitution is. And there's a long and proud tradition of Americans shooting people who threaten that.
And even setting the law aside, there's the simple matter of government by consent of the governed. If the people do not consent and the government will not relent, a defacto state of revolution exists, and again, the government is liable to get shot at in that case, laws be damned.
Im going to print this out and pass it around everywhere. Great post.
Back to topic ,I am worried tho on what oath XE follows or how they are going to treat US citizens the next time. Anyone else? Im sure some are aware.
Originally posted by southernlight
The first paragraph in the Boston Globe link from m kahn is a real eyecatcher.
"President Obama declared the swine flu outbreak a national emergency, giving his health chief the power to let hospitals move emergency rooms offsite to speed treatment and protect noninfected patients."
Move emergency rooms offsite. Hmm Ive heard of a couple of places that FEMA has that would serve as excellent treatment/containment areas for just that purpose....
Can you supply a link to that?
Offsite, sure sounds like moving them, maybe to F.E.M.A. coordinated facilites.
reply to post by The Vagabond
The Vagabond, I wholeheartedly agree with you, but I think you missed that as a quote.
Blame Wikipedia, not me, for stating that about those Constitutional rights.
I believe in picking up a weapon to defend my rights, but only as a last resort.
National Emergency Act, or not, defending oneself should not be something you have to defend.
The Vagabond, I wholeheartedly agree with you, but I think you missed that as a quote.
Blame Wikipedia, not me, for stating that about those Constitutional rights.
I believe in picking up a weapon to defend my rights, but only as a last resort.
National Emergency Act, or not, defending oneself should not be something you have to defend.
Originally posted by PenandSword
LOL!!! Wake up people....we don't have rights now in peace or in an emergency.
Have you heard Nazi Pelosi at all lately? When asked by a reporter what in the Constitution gives you the right to pass healthcare against the will of the people she answered,
"You're kidding me? You're kidding me, right?"
paraphrased but pretty close. That is Nazi Pelosi. I can only guess it's much worse from der Obamfuhrer.
As for myself...if someone wants to give me a shot against my will, they'll be shot as first. Plain and simple. I am not going out in a Mengele plotted satanic cabal fest.
[edit on 26-10-2009 by PenandSword]
[edit on 26-10-2009 by PenandSword]
Can you find a link for this? No, I'm not trying to troll bait, I'm honestly interested because I've yet to hear this, and I thought that it would be big news here on ATS. Plus, if there's a video I really want to send it over to my dad and my aunt. If you can provide a link that would be great
Originally posted by JJay55
I'm just not buying the US government taking over the population of the US. There's not enough manpower and the motivation would only be if there was a foreign force behind it... like the Caliphate and Islam.
If that's the case and Obama is the Manchurian Candidate of Islam then it could get interesting as the US military will go against the president.
Not enough manpower??? What makes you think that they would use the U.S. military??? Think bigger. How about the U.N.??? How about allied military???
And, Obama is not the Manchurian candidate of Islam, nor anything else. He's just a puppet and he doesn't even have to be brainwashed for him to be so.
However, I'm with you on this...I'm not buying that the US government is taking over the population of the U.S. Even if they were, how is that any different than what they are already currently doing?
Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry
Originally posted by JJay55
I'm just not buying the US government taking over the population of the US. There's not enough manpower and the motivation would only be if there was a foreign force behind it... like the Caliphate and Islam.
If that's the case and Obama is the Manchurian Candidate of Islam then it could get interesting as the US military will go against the president.
Not enough manpower??? What makes you think that they would use the U.S. military??? Think bigger. How about the U.N.??? How about allied military???
And, Obama is not the Manchurian candidate of Islam, nor anything else. He's just a puppet and he doesn't even have to be brainwashed for him to be so.
However, I'm with you on this...I'm not buying that the US government is taking over the population of the U.S. Even if they were, how is that any different than what they are already currently doing?
Do the math. The US population is 300 million. So, no there's not enough military manpower to control that size population. Further, the military would change loyalty at some point and not round up innocent Americans.
Islam is 1.6 billion. And they are controlled by the Koran alone.
The U.N. couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag, they are an allied force made up of small countries and funded by... us. When currency flow is stopped... the UN is stopped.
I promise that the reformation of the Caliphate with the marriage of China will become a powerful force in 2013. We will have 2 geographic continental powers. North America and South America Atlantic Continent vs ASIA Pacific Continent, seperated by oceans.
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas
Ah, you are correct, I botched the quote tags when I replied (I saw that it was an external source quote though). I'll edit my post to accurately reflect what I was replying to, and hope nobody got the wrong impression.
Ah, you are correct, I botched the quote tags when I replied (I saw that it was an external source quote though). I'll edit my post to accurately reflect what I was replying to, and hope nobody got the wrong impression.
Originally posted by The Vagabond
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas
Ah, you are correct, I botched the quote tags when I replied (I saw that it was an external source quote though). I'll edit my post to accurately reflect what I was replying to, and hope nobody got the wrong impression.
TheVagabond, I think everyone here knows to let something go when a mistake is made.
I did not mean my post to sound like I was scolding you either, if it did.
No harm, no foul, now we're moving on to greener pastures.
I notice not many people are focused on the specific topic at hand though.
National Emergency is a serious matter, because the President, any Preisdent, can do just about any damn thing he wants to under it, whether it legal or illegal.
I guess we will see if those F.E.M.A. Camps get used, won't we?
reply to post by JJay55
I have never claimed Blackwater/Xe were not good "shooters", however, what they represent is cold-blooded murder, National Emergency, or not.
Because of organizations like them, citizens are not being protected against the Government abusing it's power.
It's just that damn simple.
And before you ask, yes I want my country protected, but not at the cost of my freedom and or life.
Who will protect us citizens from a Government that will go through surreptitious means to bypass the citizens protection under the United States Constitution?
It sure won't be these guys, I guarantee you that.
When you have a system in place, the military, or National Guard, that is supposed to protect people, through a system of checks and balances, to protect and serve the people, and a rogue entity like Blakcwater/Xe is "bought" through a contract, and deptutized, and given high-priority and top secret clearances, and then let loose on the public, you have a Secret Police Force.
Yeah, I can here your argument now, these guys are loyal to America.
No, they are not, because through the convoluted mess of collecting a paycheck and killing for hire, mercenaries, are there for one thing, a paycheck.
If the Government gives them that paycheck, they will not refuse orders, if given an order that is contrary to the life and liberty of innocent civilians.
I have never claimed Blackwater/Xe were not good "shooters", however, what they represent is cold-blooded murder, National Emergency, or not.
Because of organizations like them, citizens are not being protected against the Government abusing it's power.
It's just that damn simple.
And before you ask, yes I want my country protected, but not at the cost of my freedom and or life.
Who will protect us citizens from a Government that will go through surreptitious means to bypass the citizens protection under the United States Constitution?
It sure won't be these guys, I guarantee you that.
When you have a system in place, the military, or National Guard, that is supposed to protect people, through a system of checks and balances, to protect and serve the people, and a rogue entity like Blakcwater/Xe is "bought" through a contract, and deptutized, and given high-priority and top secret clearances, and then let loose on the public, you have a Secret Police Force.
Yeah, I can here your argument now, these guys are loyal to America.
No, they are not, because through the convoluted mess of collecting a paycheck and killing for hire, mercenaries, are there for one thing, a paycheck.
If the Government gives them that paycheck, they will not refuse orders, if given an order that is contrary to the life and liberty of innocent civilians.
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