OCT 25: Twin Blasts in Baghdad Kill 91, Injure Scores

Whenever I hear about massive bomb blasts in Iraq it reminds me of the British SAS soldiers who were caught in Iraq in 2005, not once but twice, dressed in Arab attire, with explosives found in their vehicle. The official explanation was that they were on an undercover mission, gathering intelligence.

A few months later US marines were found in a similar situation.

If this was discovered on at least three seperate occassion, then one must question how many times this has occurred without these soldiers being caught?

You can see my take on Al Jazeera, which specifically focuses on the reporting or lack thereof of these 'undercover' missions.

Hopefully all links still work. www.911oz.com...

[edit on 25-10-2009 by cams]

Maybe intelligence agencies have done their job in preventing these kinds of attacks in the US - remember the recent arrests.

These bombings in Iraq probably have links to Iran, who have fairly sophisticated forms of explosives. Iran needs instability in the region, that's the only way they can survive if there's problems elsewhere for the world to deal with.

reply to post by john124


They have been blowing each other up left and right lately. It's a civil war between Shia and Sunni. As a matter of fact they are not even bothering to target US troops anymore. Most of the violence has been Iraqi on Iraqi for the past two or three years now.

I threw in a little story at the bottom about how Iraq may have to return to a police state in order to maintain peace just like Good old Saddam had in order to stop the violence between the two groups who are now blowing each other up again.

After Years of Secrecy, a Glimpse Into the Numbers of Civilians Dead in Iraq

As sectarian violence drove the number of civilian deaths in Iraq to thousands per month in 2006 and 2007, many Iraqi ministries, morgues and hospitals were under government order not to release the embarrassing figures, and the prime minister’s office generally disputed the ones that did leak out.

11 Iraqi soldiers killed in bomb disposal accident

MOSUL, Iraq, Sept 25 (Reuters) - Eleven Iraqi soldiers were killed on Friday in a roadside bomb disposal accident in northern Iraq, Iraqi security officials said.

Bombs kill 3 near Shiite shrine in central Baghdad

BAGHDAD — Two bombs exploded moments apart near the tomb of a revered Shiite religious figure in central Baghdad on Saturday, killing three people and wounding 22, police and hospital officials said.

The first bomb went off next to the tomb of the ninth-century sheik, Othman al-Omari, where a number of people were praying. A few minutes later, a car bomb exploded in a nearby parking lot as crowds were gathering. The shrine was damaged.

Iraq civilian deaths are highest since April

BAGHDAD, Sept 1 (Reuters) - The number of civilians recorded killed in violence in Iraq shot up to 393 in August, its highest level since April, after a spate of huge bombings caused carnage in Baghdad and northern Iraq.

Figures from the ministry of health showed a big increase on last month's 224 violent deaths in Iraq. The figure was also slightly higher than the 382 killed in August last year.

Iraq death toll in August highest in 13 months

BAGHDAD — Violent deaths in Iraq hit a 13-month high in August, official figures showed on Tuesday, raising fresh concerns about the country's stability after the government admitted that security is worsening.

Statistics compiled by the defense, interior and health ministries showed that 456 people -- 393 civilians, 48 police and 15 Iraqi soldiers -- were killed, the highest toll since July last year when 465 died in unrest.

There were also 1,592 civilians, 129 police and 20 soldiers wounded.

Iraqi death toll in August is the highest in more than a year

A total of 456 Iraqi civilians and security personnel were killed in attacks in August, the government figures show. It was the deadliest month since July 2008, when 465 Iraqis died violently, though the tally was far lower than at the height of the civil war in 2006 and 2007 when monthly tolls sometimes soared past 2,000.

Death toll rises to 14 in northern Iraq bombing

MOSUL, Iraq, Oct. 16 (Xinhua) -- The death toll from a suicide bombing inside a Sunni mosque in northern Iraq's Nineveh province rose to 14 and some 92 others injured, a provincial police source said Friday.

"Our latest reports said that 14 worshippers were killed and some 92 others injured," the source told Xinhua on condition of anonymity.

Ten killed in Iraq bombings

In the deadliest incident, a suicide bomber exploded a belt-full of explosives in a coffee shop in Buhruz, 15 kilometres south of Baquba in Diyala province, killing eight people and leaving 10 others injured.

"We received eight bodies, and 10 other people were wounded," Dr Ahmed Alwan of Baquba General Hospital told AFP, adding the casualties were men.

An official in the Baquba operations command, which is the joint military-police security centre for Diyala, confirmed the tolls, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Could a police state return?

He had a point. The Shia-led government has overseen a ballooning of the country’s security apparatus. Human-rights violations are becoming more common. In private many Iraqis, especially educated ones, are asking if their country may go back to being a police state.

[edit on 25-10-2009 by SLAYER69]

I call false flag on the Ministry of Justice building. Just look at the support columns and you can see the majority of them are looking like the explosion came from within the building, not from a external car-bomb as told.
My bet is that the first bomb was to get the media's attention and cameras rolling, then to set off the second bomb for the shock factor. The damage physics and debris field just doesnt add up with what a car-bomb device would do to a building like that.

Are you serious?

Something MORE sinister? The CIA or a contractor?

Take a look around.

Iran thrives on the chaos there in Iraq. They have a dog in this fight.

And how about those competing Shia/Sunnis? They've only been having a civil war since Muhammed died, and there's a lot of old scores being settled.

So with all the turds already in the blender, you want to toss in a contractor or the CIA?

Percentages.

In Vegas, play the percentages. In combat, you play the percentages.

WHO has been doing the suicide bombing?

Not the CIA.

Not the Contractors.

Hell, if they could do one-hundredth of the crap they're blamed for, they'd be supermen.

Let's get some Israeli haters in here, and blame Mossad.

What about the Swiss? They've been mighty quiet lately . . .

Originally posted by AllSeeingI

I wonder what contractor company's personnel were injured and at the site. Suspicious

Since the source was US Embassy staff, I'm guessing DynCorp. They had the contract for Embassy security when it opened in May 2004, and I haven't heard of any changes.

Stab in the dark, ya know?

Originally posted by AllSeeingI
It has been less then 6 hours since the bombings and already they are accusing Syria?

Seems fishy

Why? How long was it after the bombings and you were thinking it was a CIA plot?

Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
Or is it any surprise how there's NEVER any US troops or commanders or US politicians or western politicians killed in these massive car bombings?

Well, you might not know, but the insurgents use things things called IEDs that are planted on MSRs (Main Supply Routes) that target US troops, etc. And yes, I'm being sarcastic.

Thing is, killing US troops really isn't their forte. It's way too much easier to kill off civilians in the street and even tho they are insurgents, they are probably part of the MTV generation. Lazy little turds

Originally posted by Zosynspiracy

Or is it any surprise how there's NEVER any US troops or commanders or US politicians or western politicians killed in these massive car bombings?

This surprises you... why? Maybe it hurt when your knee jerked, and the pain caused you to forget to analyze the situation.

US Personnel are pulling back from the primary target areas, and letting Iraqi personnel take over the reins. Hey, that's the way everyone wants it, and so it's the way it SHOULD be. So if no westerners are in the target zone... why would is be surprising if they didn't "get themselves all blowed up"?

The sectarians are shifting aim from civilians of the "other sect" to the government in this case. Again, if they're shooting at their own, why is a surprise that they don't hit ours? You think their aim is THAT bad?

You think western politicians have nothing better to do than hang out in blast zones in hopes that a mad bomber will eventually target them? We just don't have enough of our politicians there to meet jihadist demands for targets, so they go more for the homegrown variety.

It's a broader , more target-rich field. It's just easier to hit them.

[edit on 2009/10/25 by nenothtu]

Originally posted by Zosynspiracy

Remnants of Saddams government? LOL. Yeah right. That's reaching for straws. How stupid do they think the Iraqi people are.

The Iraqi people have to LIVE in it, and so are acutely aware that former Saddam-ites ( I just made that up, but I kinda like it. Feel free to use it and spread it around) are part of the roiling factional stew that is Iraq.

not very charitable of you to call the Iraqi people "stupid", seeing as how they have to live in it every day.

Originally posted by AllSeeingI
Yeah anytime you have people accusing a specific group so early after such an attack; you wonder what that is about?

Where's the proof?

So far already people have said it was Al-Qaeda, Syria, Bathist Former Saddam guards...

What are the motivations behind these snap accusations?

One, which also provides a linkage, is that the Baath Party is (or at least was) alive and well and entrenched in Syria. I used to read a paper published by them in Damascus called "al-Baath", so it ain't like they hide it.

Originally posted by cams
Whenever I hear about massive bomb blasts in Iraq it reminds me of the British SAS soldiers who were caught in Iraq in 2005, not once but twice, dressed in Arab attire, with explosives found in their vehicle. The official explanation was that they were on an undercover mission, gathering intelligence.

A few months later US marines were found in a similar situation.

If this was discovered on at least three seperate occassion, then one must question how many times this has occurred without these soldiers being caught?

You can see my take on Al Jazeera, which specifically focuses on the reporting or lack thereof of these 'undercover' missions.

Hopefully all links still work. www.911oz.com...

[edit on 25-10-2009 by cams]

Why do you see this as "incriminating"? It's one of the ways SOFs operate. Not entirely sane, or safe, since taking off the uniform makes one fair game for summary execution under the Geneva Conventions, Same as the insurgents, but it's done all the same.

The fact that they were "caught" indicates a failure in communications for the mission. Not common under those circumstances, but it happens occasionally. Had some SF soldiers killed in training by local cops near Ft. Bragg a couple years ago, same reason, Communications failure, the cops weren't informed of the training exercise, reacted as if it were real-world.

reply to post by jerico65




WOAH WOAH WOAH. I Never made the accusation that this WAS a CIA false flag. ALL I said was WHATEVER the cause: Terror or CIA operative/contractor operative, that this will cause some political discussion and get some major news attention.

Originally posted by AllSeeingI
The largest bombing in recent history awakens the Iraq situation. Whether a legitimate local terrorist group bombing, or something more sinister.... CIA or contractor related false flag.

This will get people talking about the security in IRAQ serve as news for a few days.

I dont know who perpetrated the attacks. It would have been JUST as reckless of me to make a confident accusation about who made the attacks.... AS THEY ARE DOING RIGHT NOW. Claiming already that they know Syria, Al-Qaeda, or Baathist... had something to do with this bombing is IGNORANT until we have proof.

Where do people get the idea that this was a false flag operation? Even if it were, it makes absolutely no sense. Our intent is to pull out of Iraq. An attack such as this undermines intent.

I swear, you people wait for an opportunity to bash those who protect this country.

reply to post by sweatmonicaIdo


Im not Bashing the troops! I love the troops. They have no say in the operations, or politics behind what they are doing.... they put themselves in harms way with the hope that the leaders who govern policy will make the right choices.

I want the troops home now.

But to say that putting a bunch of our boys and girls into IRAQ has made us safer here at home is HIGHLY debatable... to put it nicely

NEWS UPDATE: FoxNews: 147 Dead, 540 Wounded

"Secretary Hillary Clinton expressed her condolences: "I want to personally express my heartfelt condolences to the victims of today's savage attacks in Baghdad and for the tragic loss of so many Iraqi lives. I strongly condemn the bombings at the Iraqi Ministry of Justice and the headquarters of the Baghdad Provincial Administration."

"These despicable terrorist attacks seek to undermine the impressive progress that Iraq has made towards stability and self-reliance. They will not succeed. They will not deter Iraqis from administering justice based on the rule of law and carrying out their legitimate responsibilities in governing Baghdad," said Clinton."

I think we can all agree that Saddam Hussein was a sphincter of the first order.

A murderer, sadist, egomaniac, and military genius. (that military genius part was a joke)

But one thing about it.

He KNEW how to treat his people, how to keep the peace (in a manner of speaking) and make these factions subordinate their natural tendencies.

He killed hell out of damn near every group.

There is no government that Iraq can cobble together that will be able to withstand the internal squabbling, competing militia groups, competing religious factions, and even the vying political factions.

The US should pick a spot in the desert, and tell them to play nice, and if they don't - we'll be back - and not be so understanding the next time.

We thus avoid the internal problems, avoid getting caught up in this ongoing civil war, and yet we're in the right place if called on.

Iraq may have to return to a police state in order to maintain peace just like Good old Saddam had in order to stop the violence between the two groups who are now blowing each other up again.

reply to post by SLAYER69


Great post, incredible research!

Iraq seems to be the epicenter of Shia/ Sunni conflict. Why do two religious groups supposedly both devoted to the Great Profit simply want to destroy one another as their number one objective? Number 2 objective is Israel and the Great Devil the US (Thank God for little favors?).

reply to post by plumranch


I'm pretty sure Iran is in the mix.
Didn't they threaten revenge recently for the massacre of their Top Elite Revolutionary Guard leaders?

Didn't they threaten revenge recently for the massacre of their Top Elite Revolutionary Guard leaders?

reply to post by SLAYER69


Top Iranian commanders assassinated

Jundallah claimed responsibility. Jundallah supposedly supported by US and Pakistan. That was last week.

This week the largest blast on record in Bagdad. Coincidence?