The US is the Beast!

This website goes into great detail to explain that Prince William is the Antichrist: www.angelfire.com...

[Edited on 20-5-2004 by Mountain Man]

No i am not racist, my comment was directed to quiet storm about the US being the beast and not to Marg.

Why did you ask if i am racist? because I posted what happens in many Muslim countries?

When someone says the US is the beast you are not only implying the government is what you call the beast, but every American, and after all the crap i have been listening from some people in the forums and i saw another post which seems to be another bash to the US, i jumped. I have been in the military, i have lived and gone to school in the US, graduated from college here and have at least a chance at life because of the United States, a chance I would have never gotten almost in any other country, not even in Spain.

So, yeah, I do take it personally when some people start labeling the US as a beast....much more so when the person bashing the US "lives in the US".



[Edited on 20-5-2004 by Muaddib]

Well then I should have made my point clearer and made the title "US Government is the beast".

I didnt say that every person in the US is the beast, but those in the government are. Those who are aligned with the government and are aware of their corruption can just as well be called the beast also because they support them, they can be one of them.

Anyways.... I don't think its anything to be taken personally. The people who wrote the bible were the ones who prophesized it. I have no hatred towards the US government, I just know that they are a major contributer to the corruption in the world and almost all problems in the world. I know they are destructive, but there is no "emotional judgement" towards it, because am not angry. I just know that they will fall, thats a given.

Muaddlib, I have lived in America all 17 years of my life, its not America that is horrible, its their system of power.

I have to disagree with the concept of the antichrist being a government system or something else like a barcode or a computer.

If you use the King James Bible translation, which is the most accurate english translation, the passage clearly states that the antichrist would be a man.

Revelation 13:18 - Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

For the true meaning of the number 666: www.occultforums.com...

And here I quote some from Oazaki to give you a little taste:
in revelations the relevant quote is from rev 13:

"Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth...He...forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666"

you can see this quote in context by clicking on the following link:
www.biblegateway.com...

essentially what st. john is saying here is that 666 is the number of man, ie the number which describes man. or to put in a more easily understandable way, the state of physicality that is a part of man. man's number is 666 because that is the atomic constitution of carbon, viz. 6 protons, 6 neutrons and 6 electrons. a brief occultish discussion of the various possible symbolisms of 666 can be found here:
spearoflonginus.ark11.net...

so what st.john is saying in that passage is that the beast gained control of humanity by causing humanity to focus on their human, physical aspect to the exclusion of the other aspects of their being. or to put it another way, by causing humanity to give more weight and credence to the physical and that aspect of themselves than to the more subtle dimensions of reality and those aspects of themselves.

so 666 is the number of the beast and (from a slightly different perspective) the number of man. and so, as always, the enemy is within, not without.

the plan unfolds,
Oazaki.

Babylon is Babylon...people try to make it everything else...but! Iraq is where Babylon is, the ruins are still there. You cannot look at Iraq as it is today to fulfill the prophecies. It is to become a nation of merchants...has the US ever left a defeated country poor? In years to come you are going to see a restructuring of the Middle East, a 10 nation confederacy will develop from the oil countries. Babylon (Iraq) will be where the world does it's trade with this confederacy of nations (the 10 horned or toed nation is not Europe, it encompasses the ancient Seleucid Kingdom which was the area governed by Alexander the Great's general Seleucius, after Alexander's death. This area takes in parts of Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan peninsula, and Turkey)

The US is also in prophecy, but you'd have to go to my signature to get all that teaching, all your questions will be answered.

It wont happen...the countries in the middle east have been fighting for centuries...they will not reunite anytime soon...

Originally posted by BasementAddix
It wont happen...the countries in the middle east have been fighting for centuries...they will not reunite anytime soon...

They may all unite to fight a huge war against the U.S....actually i would imagine it very probable that all the muslim countries will put aside diferences in oder to attempt to defeat the united states and thier allies..

cant see it happening...for one...they know they dont have a short in hell...especially now w/o iraq....second...we "control" alot of these countries for the most part...with $$....so i cant see it happening...OPEC is the most united you'll see them...

Evil has always been communism and socialism, now you can also add Islamic extremism to that list. If you want to find who has been funding terrorism and giving them most weapons they have even wmd, look to Russia and the Chinese. Many of the people of these countries do not want this, but their elites have been planing this since the 50s. In other threads in the forum I post reliable links, not conspiracy sites, and the statements of three high ranking Russian defectors. One of them being the highest defector from Russia. They are living in the States now with families, and they have said that communism is alive and kicking, and they have created a deception that has the world believing the US is evil.

"In CIA Files: Defector Reveals Russia�s Secret War Plans, Col. Stanislav Lunev reveals the dark side of Russia�s soul -- and their continuing efforts to destroy America. The highest-ranking military spy ever to defect from Russia, Lunev warned the CIA and the FBI that Russia continues to actively plan for war with the U.S. and the West. They didn�t listen then, but they�re listening now. "

Excerpts taken from.
www.newsmaxstore.com...

China has also been a friend of Russia for some time now. All the people saying that they have been lied to and decieved are telling the truth, but the lies and decieve comes not from the US but from its oldest enemies.

Why would China and Russia threaten the US if we ever build up a missile defense system? They both have them, and Russia is working in upgrading theirs. They are both also working on puting more military satellites in orbit. The only reason they threaten us with going back to the cold war is because they have been planning on attacking the US, but before that, they have planned to isolate us by funding terrorism and puting us as the bad guys.

Not even Clinton did anything about it althou a plan to begin building this system was proposed to him, ony Bush ordered the building of the defense system, by election time this year we will have a rudimentary form of a missile defense system.

Originally posted by Muaddib
by election time this year we will have a rudimentary form of a missile defense system.

and thank god for that...better safe then sorry...

The prophecies concerning Russia are in the 2nd Book of Esdras (greek form of Ezra) this book 'The Apocrypha' can be purchased at www.capstonebooks.com ...the Books of Esdras were taken out of the Protestant Bible but are still in the Catholic (I'm not sure if Esdras is in it)

Esdra is given a vision of a 3-headed eagle (symbolizing 3 different dictatorial nations springing out of a previous), I'm not going into detail but will give you the meaning of the vision.
The 1st head is Italy (Rome) under Mussolini
The 2nd head is Germany under Hitler
The 3rd head is Russia under Stalin

When the 2 heads are defeated (Germany & Italy) The lion which symbolizes Britain under Margaret Thatcher comes to speak to the eagle saying,

Listen, I will speak to you. The Most High says to you, 'Are you not all that is left of the four animals that I made to reign in my world, so that through them the end of my times might come? And you are the fourth to come, and you have conquered all the animals that are past, and you have held the world in subjection in great terror, and the whole earth with harsh oppression, and you have lived so long in the world with deceit; and you have not judged the earth with truth. You have persecuted the meek and hurt the peaceable, you have hated those who tell the truth, and loved liars, and you have destroyed the dwellings of the fruitful, and torn down the walls of those who did you no harm. And your insolence has reached the Most High and your pride the Mighty One. And the Most High has looked at His times, and behold they are ended, and His ages are completed! Therefore you will surely dissappear, you eagle and your dreadful wings, and your wicked additional wings, and your malignant heads, and your cruel talons, and your whole worthless body, so that the whole earth may be freed from your violence, and be refreshed and relieved, and hope for the justice and mercy of him who made her.

Later in the book where the Angel tells Esdras the meaning, he says...This is the meaning of the vision that you have seen: as for the eagle that you saw rising from the sea, it is the fourth kingdom that appeared in a vision to your brother Daniel...(in Daniels (ch2) vision of the man, The Babylonian Empire under Nebuchadnezzar being the head, he described all the body parts but left out the part between the thighs and toes)
In ch 4 of Daniel, he interprets a dream for Nebuchadnezzar, which is the prediction of insanity. God has a 2-fold fulfillment. Nebuchadnezzar himself went insane for 7 yrs, but there is also the insanity of Babylon the Empire. Immediately after this this Neb. goes nuts and Belshazzar takes over and the handwriting on the wall takes place. The numerical equivalent of the Hebrew words are:
Mene-1000
Mene-1000
Tekel-20
Parsin-500
=2520 yrs

In the passage in Esras it speaks of...'And the Most High looked at His times, and behold, they are ended.'

Now this is interesting... the prophecy given to Daniel was in 536 bc so...

536 bc +2520yrs =1984 + 1 (time went from 1bc-1ad with no 0yr)= 1985
In 1985 the insanity of Babylon ends.
1985: Chernenko dies and Gorbachev becomes Societ leader. he initiates glastnost and perestroika, ends placement of SS-20 missles in Europe.

Margaret Thatcher (representative of the Lion of Britain) says, 'I like Gorbachev. We can do business together

There is so much more to this Book of Esdras, you can get the teaching at www.drgenescott.com go into the archives and look for the Daniel series on prophecy and listen...it's fascinating to listen to history being unfolde in scripture it's just another I told you so from God.

Originally posted by BasementAddix
cant see it happening...for one...they know they dont have a short in hell...especially now w/o iraq....so i cant see it happening...OPEC is the most united you'll see them...

At the current moment I would agree with you..but this maybe just the begining...this actually maybe what the islamic countries want us to think...they maybe just looking for the right moment to attack..or they maybe already covertly attacking but they are smart enough to keep it quiet in order to protect their their finances/control of thier countries.

One thing is for sure, we know how radical and extreme some of these islamic controlled countries can be....If america starts out in iraq and tries to spread more into the surrounding countries I find it fairly easy to concieve of the idea that these countires may band together in oder to oust U.S. control of the region.

As we have seen in past wars and even now within iraq...gurrila styles attacks mixed with terrorism is extremly effective...All they realy have to do is lower the moral of the troops along with the moral of the american public(and to some extent the world) and the U.S. government will have little choice but to leave...

Originally posted by kode
yes marg6043 you make sense, im glad my family left religion up to me. but i would have to agree america is responsible for a lot of deprivation, mainly through television and cinema. jerry springer especially

Well I would disagree because of this: America is really the people of this nation. America is not our government, or the our media and so forth. They USED to be, because the gov and media were a reflection of the people.... at least more so than now. But now, they are like foreign elements in our land. They have slowly changed. It is these elements that are responsible for a lot of junk going on, but they are not the true America. Also, I have to say that not all people in the gov are bad. There are many amazing people still in it I believe, but sadly, those in key and pivotal positions are of the corrupt nature, at least they ahve most of the positions. It is my opinion that these aren't necessarily the gov figures we all see and know (like president for example) but those within the divisions of the gov that are behind the scenes like members of CIA, FBI, some military officials, the state department, probably some judges, and in the pentagon. Not to say that our presidents and the more familiar congressmen, and cabinet members are definitely not corrupt, cuz I would say that some of them have definitely been just that.

God Called-He Would Like His Name Back. He Is Tired Of Other People Using It.



Seriously, the Church of Jesus Christ teaches that the Pope is the Beast. (Remember the Head Wound in 1981 when the Pope was shot?). And don't even get them started on the symbology of the Pagan traditions that the Catholic Church absorbed.

There are those in the Arab World that believe WE (Americans) are the Great Satan.

(and, on a side-note, pointing out what the radical Muslims teach is NOT racism. It is more racist to scream racism when someone says something you don't agree with ~IMO~)

I am not mocking those who sincerely believe that that the "Antichirst" will come about. And, this is a very, very well-written post.

But it is speculation.:

I am in Awe. It's difficult for me to find the words.

I realize after much study, that what happened on the 11th of September was an Attack on the American people and the world. We were attacked in a way that many did not predict, and still do not see. Our Minds. -- 9/11 was orchestrated by the world's "Elite" (Wealthy Bureaucrats.) in order to seize control of people's minds and ultimately their lives, through a matrix of fear.

I know that the patriot Act is not so Patriotic, as it basically disintegrates the Constitution and all inherent, God given rights may be suspended at the will of the President.

I see a large connection to the Bible scriptures in Revelation, and what has happened and what is happening in this country to ignore it. I wanted to live my life the way I saw fit, but I cannot ignore this. - A one world government, the move that suspends human rights and the amount of deceit and control on the American people and the rest of the world, by the media and the government. Its troubling. I cannot ignore it.

Its interesting to note, that the majority of Christians think that Islam is the problem, while the real threat is under our noses. Why are there so many Christians that are pro war? I am amazed that there is no middle ground here. I am sad there is no middle ground here.

I think the word Christian has a different meaning now days. And I am not part of that affiliation.

If the United States is the Beast Nation, then perhaps 9/11 was the terrible wounds to the head (PENTAGON) (WTC 1+2 = horns?) [see Revelations 13] and the falling away of the faith, i.e many Christians believing in the war, against the Muslims etc. Then we are indeed in a lot of trouble. Welcome to the tribulation?? Well I think there are very very few of us who are in the middle here. Sad indeed.

All of the world is "wondering after the beast"... oh boy. After the N. American union + European union + Asian Union we will have World government. But they are all passing similar laws now, that this country has passed since 9-11. (or should I say dictators have passed).

It is clear to me, that despite the lifestyle I have been living, I need to wake up, read my bible and interpret it for myself. Not giving head to what an organized church is saying, for they have all been led astray, like sheep for the slaughter. Oh boy...

No one can tell you who God is. In fact, I think that the only way you can know who he is, why you are here is, is simply to ask him/her. To listen to your heart. There is so much deception in the world, you cannot trust anyone!

You alone are accountable for you, and do not compare yourselves to each other, for every man/women is imperfect. Do what you know is right in your own heart, and remove your ego from the equation and I am sure the truth will come to you. Pray fervently for I fear time is running out. Test all things, by your inner spirit. I guess its like saying go with your gut. I have a gut feeling about a lot of things here and I think that some of us maybe a group of very few individuals know [in our gut] what is happening.

God Help us to know the Truth, and to act accordingly in your will. -- Amen

2�Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

and especially the part where it talks about the kings of the earth fornicating with her, and a call for "my people" to get out of her etc...

I think the modern catholic church, and for that matter, all organized religion most certainly fits this role of the beast to a T . Church's rely on govn't for protection and also works hard to stack the deck, while the govn'ts of the world need the church's to mobilize the people for various political purposes including war. Business is under the sheets as well. It's a great big 60's love fest meage' tua (sp?) !!!

"Get out of her my people" and save a ton of money too!!!!

Originally posted by Muaddib
Evil has always been communism and socialism, now you can also add Islamic extremism to that list. If you want to find who has been funding terrorism and giving them most weapons they have even wmd, look to Russia and the Chinese.

I'd just kindly remind that if we really look who's the greatest supporter of terrorism, I think we have to look to some other continents than Eurasia. Well, we find few from there as well, but the greatest one can be found from america. Remember contras for example? Al-Qaida was also backed up by United States when they were still fighting Soviets in Afghanistan at 80's. Many of them turned out later to be Talebans. You also cannot deny the US backup for Saddam Hussein in the early 80's. And Israel of course is the one of the leading terrorist states in near east. Maybe US is funding and helping them also?

But now you can of course bring up your sources saying that Chinese and Soviets are the greatest terrorist funders.

between the Books of Daniel & Revelation wew are given a lot of info
on the 'Beast'.

the 'Beast', actually spans some 6000 years of civilization,
Babylon, Greece, Rome are among the 7 heads of the enduring 'Beast'
(recall that 5 have fallen...one is...and one is yet to come[as of 70-100 AD])

but also the 7th head refers to the final appearance of the end-time 'Beast'
the 'Beast' itself is comprised of 10 nations/peoples either as a bloc or as a group of allies...or perhaps an expanded G-8, or perhaps a future 10 nation Nuclear Club (there are only 9 nuclear armed countries now)

so, the USA can only be one of the group that forms and surrenders its soverignty to the future anti-christ.

yes, the USA might be the power behind the anti-christ throne,
but in reading the chapter 'Rev 17' it seems clear that no one nation or people is identified... but in Daniel we are given a clue to beware;
the scion of an evil race.


blue letter bible.org is a useful tool to review Daniel & Revelation 17 et al

You think that out of everything, it would be the United States? I don't get why. It's one of the most just, charitable, and self-restraining nations in human history. Is it perfect? Of course not. But compared to the rest of the world all throughout time?