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Originally posted by ATH911
If you are suggesting a shootdown and that happened, the plane did not crash in that Shanks field. The plane would have crashed near the end of the 8 mile debris field around New Baltimore and that means the Shanks scene had to have been a pre-planned staged scene which means the shootdown was also pre-planned before 9/11.
Originally posted by ipsedixit
I wish the game were called 21 Questions (or even a bigger number). You could include a question wondering how President Bush managed to see the impact on the North Tower on television a day before the rest of the world saw it.
Note: This is no mere slip of the banana peel the ex-president used for a tongue. This is a whole anecdote.
Memo to bsbray11: Apologies. I jumped the gun with my post. If this shows up as one of your 20, I'll delete it. I thought . . . forget it. I wasn't thinking.
[edit on 23-10-2009 by ipsedixit]
Originally posted by ATH911
reply to post by bsbray11
So your leading theory is Flight 93 was shootdown, but crashed somewhere around New Balitmore and the perps had to stage a crash quickly and choose the Shanks field?
Originally posted by john124
The title of your thread suggests the questions you ask remain unanswered, and so you're implying you cannot answer them either. Even if assuming that's the case, then what exactly is the claim here - as you haven't provided any evidence of an inside-job or any traditional "truther" claim.
Certain aspects of these types of events, even if the govt. account is entirely accurate, will remain secretive or just misunderstood. National security secrets does not necessarily imply guilt.
Originally posted by bsbray11
What does it matter what my "leading theory" is? Who am I?
It's not as if there isn't circumstantial evidence for all of these things anyway. If there WAS a shootdown, well, you have all of the testimony you would expect honestly. So I will leave it for time to tell, whether we will ever get a definitive answer publicly or not.
Originally posted by ATH911
I see little evidence that supports a shootdown to be honest.
I don't see how a 757 could crash without producing a long trail of smoke in the air able to been seen from miles on end.
Originally posted by bsbray11
But neither is there much evidence of anything else happening honestly. You have about as much testimony and reason to believe it was shot down as you do that it wasn't
and the 8-mile debris field is just one of the anomalies that aren't well explained and warrant further investigation.
One of the witness testimonies I cited on the main page even ventures the explanation that things were sucked out of the plane over that stretch because a hole was formed in the fuselage and the decompression sucked that debris out before the plane hit the ground.
I don't think we are really in disagreement that there is more to be had than what we have had thus far.
Originally posted by bsbray11
4) For what reason are Pentagon surveillance tapes showing the impact of Flight 77 still being withheld?
This one explains itself. What are we going to see that keep the tapes out of public view? Anything? There is still no answer, 8 years later.
Originally posted by jthomas
It's a mistake in reasoning. Suppose a video surfaced definitely show an American Airlines approaching and hitting the Pentagon. What would that actually change?
Would it change the other evidence that already demonstrates conclusively that AA77 hit the Pentagon? Of course not.
Would it change your mind? Perhaps. But then you don't believe the massive evidence that already demonstrates AA77 hit the Pentagon. Would you suddenly now accept all of that evidence only to come to the realization that the evidence was right in front of you all these years?
The fact is that any video that surfaced showing AA77 hitting the Pentagon does not change the existing evidence in any way whatsoever.
2) Why was the Flight 93 crash site spread out over 8 miles?
6) What allowed WTC7 to accelerate vertically at the rate of free-fall in a vacuum?
Ummm. all these questions have been answered. May times over. Ad nauseum. Years ago.
Yet some people still think that if they ask the same answered questions over and over again, ignoring the actual answers that have been given, they may one day get an answer they like. But I guess the actual answers arent good enough? Why is that?
DR. J. ATLASBERG (ph), REPORTER: Hello, Steve.
I'm actually uptown at 86th and Riverside. I can see the World Trade Center from about half the building up to the top. And about five minutes ago, as I was watching the smoke, a small plane -- I did -- it looked like a propeller plane, came in from the west. And about 20 or 25 stories below the top of the center, disappeared for a second, and then explode behind a water tower, so I couldn't tell whether it hit the building or not. But it was very visible, that a plane had come in at a low altitude and appeared to crash into the World Trade Center.
PLANT: Well, and speaking to people here at the Pentagon, as they're being evacuated from the building. I'm told by several people that there was, in fact, an explosion.
I was told by one witness, an Air Force enlisted - senior enlisted man, that he was outside when it occurred. He said that he saw a helicopter circle the building. He said it appeared to be a U.S. military helicopter, and that it disappeared behind the building where the helicopter landing zone is - excuse me - and he then saw fireball go into the sky.
I'm attempting to make my way around to that side of the building in my car right now to see if I can get a better visual perspective on the scene on that side of the building. But I can tell you that security has certainly clamped down. The U.S. Park Police another federal law enforcement department, has arrived in force on the scene. There is a Park Police helicopter overhead, every car arrives at the gates where I was located was being stopped by officers at gun point, everyone is being forced out of their vehicles as they arrive at the Pentagon.
It's a very tense situation obviously, but initial reports from witnesses indicate that there was in fact a helicopter circling the building, contrary to what the AP reported, according to the witnesses I've spoken to anyway, and that this helicopter disappeared behind the building, and that there was then an explosion. That's about all I have from here.