What is the end of evolution?

Since evolution is a process by which the "host" changes itself in order to increase the odds of survival, the end of evolution will be a host that has a 100% chance of survival for eternity. Accordingly, survival is based on the ability to see threats and contend with them. Therefore, the end of evolution host must be able to "see" through all dimensions and spaces to determine how best to contend with any possible enemies. Assuming that evolution details a living breathing organism with consciousness (of course, in another dimension, consciousness itself could be different) and not some artificial intelligence or "dead" matter, then I would imagine something like this:

Originally posted by Conclusion
reply to post by Aggie Man

 

Could you then use the textbook definition of evolution please. I am not really to sure what the actual definition is. It could be very helpful in this thread.

In biology, evolution is change in the genetic material of a population of organisms from one generation to the next. Though changes produced in any one generation are normally small, differences accumulate with each generation and can, over time, cause substantial changes in the population, a process that can result in the emergence of new species.[1] The similarities among species suggest that all known species are descended from a common ancestor (or ancestral gene pool) through this process of gradual divergence.[2]

The basis of evolution is the genes that are passed on from generation to generation; these produce an organism's inherited traits. These traits vary within populations, with organisms showing heritable differences (variation) in their traits. Evolution itself is the product of two opposing forces: processes that constantly introduce variation, and processes that make variants either become more common or rare. New variation arises in two main ways: either from mutations in genes, or from the transfer of genes between populations and between species. New combinations of genes are also produced by genetic recombination, which can increase variation between organisms.

Two major mechanisms determine which variants will become more common or rare in a population. One is natural selection, a process that causes helpful traits (those that increase the chance of survival and reproduction) to become more common in a population and causes harmful traits to become more rare. This occurs because individuals with advantageous traits are more likely to reproduce, meaning that more individuals in the next generation will inherit these traits.[2][3] Over many generations, adaptations occur through a combination of successive, small, random changes in traits, and natural selection of the variants best-suited for their environment.[4] The other major mechanism driving evolution is genetic drift, an independent process that produces random changes in the frequency of traits in a population. Genetic drift results from the role that chance plays in whether a given trait will be passed on as individuals survive and reproduce.

SOURCE:en.wikipedia.org...

This is a fairly good description of Evolution.

[edit on 24-10-2009 by Aggie Man]

Evolution? What a complicated thing to try to explain. Let us assume the customary scientific explanation is correct; external stimuli cause internal change which results in what we call Evolution. We must then, ask ourselves, who/what/why does External stimuli work as it does and the manner in which it does? Is it completely random that earth quakes happening, causing floods, which causes change in the Human body (or any body around)? Are we randomly here, randomly evolutonizing ourselves in constant reaction to our external stimuli? I feel otherwise. I feel that although the physicality is random, the circumstances/experiences are not. These things happen because, IMO, they are meant to push us in a direction. There are, obviously, two ways to react; negative/positive. And we all choose, with every experience/set of circumstances we come across, which direction we are going to take our evolution. We have a brain to think with, therefore, I conclude we are given experiences, THEN we think about which choice suits our current needs/desires, and THEN we learn which we SHOULD have chosen (through effect [consequence]). I once heard a quote, "Time first gives the test, then teaches the lesson." That's how I feel it works; our Higher Selves, or God, or your Government (whoever you believe holds the cards) puts you in those physical circumstances expecting you to make the wrong choice, correct yourself through consequences and self-reflection, and then LEARN to make the right choice. That is evolution in my opinon. Constant raising of "awareness" or "consciousness" or "knowledge". Whichever floats your boat. Evolution in THIS life IS reaction to external stimuli, however, I believe that external stimuli is intelligiently controlled, no matter how odd/bizarre/off the wall it seems. So to answer the question of the thread, is there an end to Evolution? I do not thikn so. Constant cycles, learning something new. As our dogs view us as God's, so we view ET's/ miracle achieving beings as God's because of their Higher Intelligience (advanced consciousness), and I bet our God(s) have THEIR God(s) whom are much more aware/consciousness than they, so on and so forth. Is there a beginning/end? I don't think so, just constantly going through the cycle in order to keep us in a state of, ecstacy, pain, ecstacy, pain, ecstacy, pain.... never completely or indefinitely in iether, but always in etween, either jumping from one side towards the other, or stuck/perfectly balanced in middle, but it's always doing bad, balancd, doing good, balanced, doing bad, balanced, doing good.... etc, etc..... and the topic goes SO muchg more deep but we, as Humans with an elite group in power trying to keep us DOWN, have no proof for any of this, and never will. This is the life of Faith, not wisdom, not happiness; this is density of Choice/Faith. You control wher you are going to go.... everyday ,every second, with every THOUGH (and choice)....you are creating your next reality.

Evolutionary science is now moving from traditional text book to broader definitions.
There is indeed evidence that thought behaviours are imprinted on a cellular level and alter DNA traits. It is no longer just limited to species. But is reviewed right down to the individual.

Originally posted by spy66
Its not a sure thing that a strong person will survive in any situation it encounters. His survival depends on the choices that he makes from the knowledge he possesses. Humans are not borne with a survival instinct. Survival has to be thought and experienced. If we are not thought what we can eat and drink. And not to mention where to find it. Then that lack of knowledge might kill you.

We are indeed born with instincts. We see it from day one, a baby suckling is a inate reflex not a learned behaviour.
What do you think sex is and and the desire to reproduce? Religion tries to control that instinct, but spreading your seed, and reproducing is a 100% natural insitinct.

Current research that I am enjoying isthat we are born with anscetral "thoughts and behaviours" imprinted on our cells.


Genomic imprinting and epigonemics.
en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...

Genomic imprinting has functional differences on specific genes derived from paternal versus maternal development. One is expressed, the other is silenced.

Epigonemic phenomena is well established in mice and now uncovered in primates (which we are). Paternal and maternal affect different behaviours, however, how this works in humans is yet to be studied to its fullest. Modificatoins of the human geonome imprint happens, though not enough information is out.

Imprinted genes are monoallelically expressed in a parent-of-origin dependent manner. Whilst the full functional repertoire of these genes remains obscure, they are generally highly expressed in the brain and are often involved in fundamental neural processes. Besides influencing brain neurochemistry, imprinted genes are important in the development and function of the hypothalamus and pituitary gland, key sites of neuroendocrine regulation. Moreover, imprinted genes may directly modulate hormone-dependent signalling cascades, both in the brain and elsewhere.

Much of our knowledge about imprinted gene function has come from studying knockout mice and human disorders of imprinting. One such disorder is Prader-Willi syndrome, a neuroendocrine disorder characterised by hypothalamic abnormalities and aberrant feeding behaviour. Through examining the role of imprinted genes in neuroendocrine function, it may be possible to shed light on the neurobiological basis of feeding and aspects of social behaviour and underlying cognition, and to provide insights into disorders where these functions go awry.

www.epidna.com...
Epigenetic mechanisms, including DNA methylation, histone modifications, and other chromatin-remodeling events, are critically important in mediating precise neural gene regulation. This review focuses on discussing the role of DNA methylation and histone modifications in neural lineage differentiation, neural behavior, and synaptic plasticity.
www.epidna.com...

If the epigenetic changes are our current behavioural modifcations, there is the strong possibilty that previous behaviours of ancestors esp regarding food intake and obsessives, love ability, socialisation adaptability etc are in our underlying imprints.

If Epigenetic molecular mechanism alters underlying lifelong and transgenerational perpetuation of changes in gene expression and behavior induced by environment, then it is yet to be proven fully how these over time were imprinted on DNA.

This means that evolutionary changes take place on a cellular level by thoughts and resulting behaviours not just environment



[edit on 24-10-2009 by zazzafrazz]

The very fact that in the entropic universe, where everything goes towards the lovest energetic level, there is live that evolves from the bunch of molecules to the beings like...well...Mila Jowovich proves that there is GOD.
As for the imprinting the individual experiences in the one genetic material- there was already guy named Lysenko in the Soviet Russia who tried to prove it and he was celebrated for a moment as his theories were convenient to the leading ideolog. Its nice theory but this time as well may show itself to be just the wishfull thinking coming from the todays zeitgeist...

Originally posted by zazzafrazz
Evolutionary science is now moving from traditional text book to broader definitions.
There is indeed evidence that thought behaviours are imptinted on a cellular level and alter DNA traits. It is no longer just limited to species. But is reviewed right down to the individual.

Originally posted by spy66
Its not a sure thing that a strong person will survive in any situation it encounters. His survival depends on the choices that he makes from the knowledge he possesses. Humans are not borne with a survival instinct. Survival has to be thought and experienced. If we are not thought what we can eat and drink. And not to mention where to find it. Then that lack of knowledge might kill you.

We are indeed born with instincts. We see it from day one, a baby suckiling is a inate reflex not a learned behaviour.
What do you think sex is and and the desire to reproduce? Religion tries to control that instinct, but spreading your seed, and reproducing is a 100% natural insitinct.

Current research that I am enjoying isthat we are born with ansectral "thoughts and behaviours" imprinted on our cells.


Genomic imprinting and epigonemics.
en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...

Genomic imprinting has functional differences on specific genes derived from paternal versus maternal development. One is expressed, the other is silenced.

Epigonemic phenomena is well established in mice and now uncovered in primates (which we are). Paternal and maternal affect different behaviours, however, how this works in humans is yet to be studied to its fullest. Modificatoins of the human geonome imprint happens, though not enough information is out.

Imprinted genes are monoallelically expressed in a parent-of-origin dependent manner. Whilst the full functional repertoire of these genes remains obscure, they are generally highly expressed in the brain and are often involved in fundamental neural processes. Besides influencing brain neurochemistry, imprinted genes are important in the development and function of the hypothalamus and pituitary gland, key sites of neuroendocrine regulation. Moreover, imprinted genes may directly modulate hormone-dependent signalling cascades, both in the brain and elsewhere.

Much of our knowledge about imprinted gene function has come from studying knockout mice and human disorders of imprinting. One such disorder is Prader-Willi syndrome, a neuroendocrine disorder characterised by hypothalamic abnormalities and aberrant feeding behaviour. Through examining the role of imprinted genes in neuroendocrine function, it may be possible to shed light on the neurobiological basis of feeding and aspects of social behaviour and underlying cognition, and to provide insights into disorders where these functions go awry.

www.epidna.com...
Epigenetic mechanisms, including DNA methylation, histone modifications, and other chromatin-remodeling events, are critically important in mediating precise neural gene regulation. This review focuses on discussing the role of DNA methylation and histone modifications in neural lineage differentiation, neural behavior, and synaptic plasticity.
www.epidna.com...

If the epigenetic changes are our current behavioural modifcations, there is the strong possibilty that previous behaviours of ancestors esp regarding food intake and obsessives, love ability, socialisation adaptability etc are in our underlying imprints.

If Epigenetic molecular mechanism alters underlying lifelong and transgenerational perpetuation of changes in gene expression and behavior induced by environment, then it is yet to be proven fully how these over time were imprinted on DNA.

This means that evolutionary changes take place on a cellular level by thoughts and resulting behaviours not just environment




[edit on 24-10-2009 by zazzafrazz]

I have been doing survival training since 1991 as a Combat Diver. I have done a lot of survival training all around the world. And i know for a fact that we are not borne with a survival instinct. Survival has to be thought and practised. I have seen it and experienced it with my own eyes. And i see it year after year when new recruits come in. They have to be thought everything. And feel what its like to be surviving.

We are not borne with any instincts. But with senses and feelings. We are borne with a thinking mind. And its not a instinct for us to make any right decisions based on our survival, unless you have been thought how.

A kid wont know the difference between hot and cold until he burns himself. A kid wont know if a bear is dangerous until it attacks him.

You people have to learn the difference between theory and practice. Or real life. They are two different worlds.

I encourage you to try it out. Go out into the wilderness with nothing on and try to survive on your instincts. If its winter where you live you will very fast figure out that if you dont know what to do you will die.



[edit on 27.06.08 by spy66]

reply to post by ZenOnKwalsky


Not wishful thinking, it is newish science, but unequivacoly proven in animals, and now human testing is rapidly moving forward. If you read the sources provided (besides wiki) you will see evidence through repeated experiments.

The latest behavioural imprint they have found is the overeating of chocolate is imprinting from mother (only) to child.



[edit on 24-10-2009 by zazzafrazz]

reply to post by spy66

I have been doing survival training since 1991 as a Combat Diver. I have done a lot of survival training all around the world. And i know for a fact that we are not borne with a survival instinct. Survival has to be thought and practised. I have seen it and experienced it with my own eyes. And i see it year after year when new recruits come in. They have to be thought everything. And feel what its like to be surviving. We are not borne with any instincts. But with senses and feelings. We are borne with thinking mind. And its not a instinct for us to make any right decisions based on our survival, unless you have been thought how. A kid wont know the difference between hot and cold until he burns himself. A kid wont know if a bear is dangerous until it attacks him. You people have to learn the difference between theory and practice. Or real life. They are two different worlds.

LOL, playing rambo the survivalist, doesnt make one a scientist.
Insitinct is a Fixed action pattern, not what you are describing.

A baby knows how to suckle its mother, this is a fixed action pattern.
Fight or Flight adrenaline is fixed action pattern
A male knows where to put his penis and how to use it. This is a fixed pattern action.
Babinsi Reflex, the fanning of the toes when the foot is stroked, this is a fixed pattern action.
The fact that children put everything in their mouths doesnt mean they are stupid, but is a human instinct, as its how they program their immune sytem. And also the insitinct to feed.

Insitinct comes from imprinting in humans and all other biological animals or insects etc on a cellular level and enviromentally learned level.




[edit on 24-10-2009 by zazzafrazz]

Originally posted by zazzafrazz
reply to post by spy66

 

I have been doing survival training since 1991 as a Combat Diver. I have done a lot of survival training all around the world. And i know for a fact that we are not borne with a survival instinct. Survival has to be thought and practised. I have seen it and experienced it with my own eyes. And i see it year after year when new recruits come in. They have to be thought everything. And feel what its like to be surviving. We are not borne with any instincts. But with senses and feelings. We are borne with thinking mind. And its not a instinct for us to make any right decisions based on our survival, unless you have been thought how. A kid wont know the difference between hot and cold until he burns himself. A kid wont know if a bear is dangerous until it attacks him. You people have to learn the difference between theory and practice. Or real life. They are two different worlds.

LOL, playing rambo the survivalist, doesnt make one a scientist.
Insitinct is a Fixed action pattern, not what you are describing.

A baby knows how to suckle its mother, this is a fixed action and pattern.
Fight or Flight adrenaline is fixed action or pattern
A male knows where to put his penis and how to use it. This is a fixed pattern or action.
Babinsi Reflex, the fanning of the toes when the foot is stroked, this is a set pattern.
The fact that children put everything in their mouths doesnt mean they are stupid, but is a human instinct, as its how they program their immune sytem. And also the insitinct to feed.

Insitinct comes from imprinting and it imprints in humans and all other biological animals or insects etc on a cellular level and enviromentally learned level.




[edit on 24-10-2009 by zazzafrazz]

Right keep up the good work

reply to post by shinjiikari2839


Very well put.

I think you have to look at physical evolution and spiritual evolution. They can be the same and completely seperate.

I agree that there is no "end" to evolution, it is whatever we need to do to adapt to the environment, and we may never become energy because our environment may just keep us in phyical form. Actually, I think I can talk myself in circles. *laughs*

But one physical yet intellectual/spiritual aspect evolution is intelligence. We have a unique intelligence. We are self aware. We seek God and higher form of existence. We have to evolutionize to increase that intelligence. From throwing spears to now splitting atoms.

Will we be able to evolutionize till we become higher life forms? OR will we be limited to our water based vehicles.

Do the two morph at the same time?

Is it really a linear process?


Interesting discussion folks.

reply to post by zazzafrazz


That is true Zazz, but he does have a certain point. If you mix in the thinking and planning ahead it does increases the chances for survival at least, but yeah evolution is thought to happen to groups. Instincts. That is a word that could be used to describe a lot of things.

reply to post by nixie_nox


Very good input. Thank you.

reply to post by RadiatorOfTheLight


I like your answer.

reply to post by zazzafrazz


Wow zazz. You are like a big book of knowledge. Thanks for your thoughts and wisdom. I am sure they will be helpful.

reply to post by zazzafrazz

Not all-its boring but I promise to try...Anyway what we cant be sure is do they really get their experiments their way or is a bit make up
just like in the Lysenkos case.
Anyway bravo!- You seem to know what you talk about.

[edit on 24-10-2009 by ZenOnKwalsky]

[edit on 24-10-2009 by ZenOnKwalsky]

We have evolved to adapt ourselves to suit our environment however now we have reached a point where to a large extent we are able to adapt our environment to suit us, thereby eliminating the need to evolve... perhaps that change could halt our physical evolution?

Originally posted by mamana
We have evolved to adapt ourselves to suit our environment however now we have reached a point where to a large extent we are able to adapt our environment to suit us, thereby eliminating the need to evolve... perhaps that change could halt our physical evolution?

Evolution- the biological/darvinian one since long is over! Is not the fittest who survive
Why to evolve if in a few years, it seems they will be able to turn you into whatever bio-cyber hibride they will need to...

I think the end of evolution would be when species adapt to its environment so perfectly, that it no longer dies other than by natural death or unpredictable accidents. The end of evolution requires unchanging environment.

reply to post by zazzafrazz


You might want to check this thread out. You would definitely be able to add some well needed emphasis on the topic.

www.abovetopsecret.com...