Imagine a world without money

I am so tired of this world. Such a beautiful place, yet burdened by a flawed materialistic system. When I was younger, I was incredibly materialistic. My parents recall the "I want that, I want that" stages of my life, when everything that showed up on the television was instantly added to my christmas list.

At 20 years old, almost 21, I have made more changes in a year, than I have in my entire life. Its like im a totally different person than I was last year. My materialistic ways have changed, as I am now sickened by this disgusting rat race.

Tonight, me and my girlfriend decided to make a list of goals, accomplishments, and hobbies we wish to pursue and achieve. It was not a surprise that 95% of them required some form of $$ to fund the activity.

Yes I know I am going to hear "There are plenty of things you can do that don't cost a dime!" Well come on down to Long Island and tell me that. Im 21 years old and I probably will be living with my parents for the next 10 years, And I'm college educated.

And please, creating a charity organization was on the list, as well as volunteer work. Too bad you still need GAS for both of those.

So I ask you, Imagine a life without money. How would things be? What would be different from life today? Specific examples earn you bonus fun dollars to purchase virtual clothes for your avatar!

yes - why do people have to work for 30 years to be able to afford to own some land and a house to live in.

why do some people in society have enough money to buy a country and bankrupt others (iceland), while millions dont have clean water. is it because we think people like rupert murdoch or a rockerfeller are worth more as human beings than the ones living in slums, or our grandmother? are they? is that why we agree they're all entitled to all the money they have while others starve? becuz of their hard work?

so they worked hard or are clever. does this give them the right to own manhatten while children have no food? are they really worth more to society than its children?

because that is the way many seem to want their society to be. based on hard work - and intelligence - (or corruption and cunning) which gives certain people the entitlement to big houses and cars, while disabled people or old people cannot afford to live or eat.

is that really the world you want? do you really think you are better than everyone else? are you really prepared to let children starve so you can be comfy? are you COMFORTABLE doing this?

becuz thats what the set up amounts to.


maybe we could imagine and create a world where EVERYone got a house and land; where everyone ensured that NO ONE starved or went homeless; where we looked after the planet and animals and watched our population size and controlled our impact.

why do we need moneY? money is SLAVERY for you. unless you are at the top of the pile. even doctors and lawyers may need to work for 20 years to really OWN their house. who are you all WORKING for?
WHAT are you all working for? if not for your own happiness. (what if you could be a doctor and still help and heal people, but not have to do it for the money? cuz society provided for you? cuz you, like everyone else, were ENTITLED to a house anyway).

is the work you are doing making you happy? or is it just to get money cuz u cant survive without it. many people are in this boat and dont want to be.

the recent collapses and bailouts shud show you who controls the money system. who you are enslaved to.

do you really need money? why not try to figure out how to have a society without it - based on what people need and cooperation and sharing; rather than green and profit and taking more than you need and selfishness.

[edit on 22-10-2009 by rapunzel222]

There are many confusing things about the concept of money. Originally I thought it was simply a holder for goods or services but then I started to wonder who controlled that money and it's value. If the value of the money is not fixed it is not always worth the same goods or services. I realize this is an oversimplification, but it made a profound effect on me when i suddenly realized it.

When we realize that money is transitory and the ones who control it's value set the standards we can try to find ways to lessen the effect they have over our lives. I myself love bartering and encourage it with my friends and those I know. A lot of the older people in my area seem to also hold these beliefs but they never say it outright. I think they've realized after years of seeing the economic ups and downs that the olde ways might be better.

When you write a list out, try to discern what might be of lasting value. Land and property holds better value in the long run then the latest electronic gadget. The "i want" syndrome you mentioned, and I'm sure we've all experienced this phase is a way of controlling how you invest, and the whims of society are played upon by many of the handlers. My computer is four years old now, I wouldn't trade it for a new one for anything. I built this computer to my liking, and I've been happy with it all this time. I don't need a new one, and I don't want a new one. I own two older vehicles, they both run well, they serve me, I do not need a shinier one.

Consider where your money goes. If a vast percentage is spent on bills, try to invest slowly in ways that will lessen their impact. Invest in yourself above all else always.

I was taught when I was younger that we could succeed and become rich in my country. People play lotteries all the time hoping to strike it rich. I now find this dream of sudden wealth to be pointless. I am average and will remain that way, and I'm ok with it now. I think the concepts of wealth have blinded us to true treachery. we don't want to prosecute the rich and exploiting because we think maybe inside that one day that can be us. The odds of one of the regular people becoming one of the top 3% wealthiest is so slim that this dream is nothing but a dream. Do not live your life thinking it will ever come to pass, and you will be happier.

I am glad you have awoken to the constraints they've placed upon you and wish you the best of life.

It's not money that is the problem.
I say, Imagine a world without greed! Better still, imagine a world without the pesky human virus.

IRM

here's a thing about the creation of money from an anastasia book (vladimir megre) in the ringing cedar series:

"take a look down there and you will see long lines of slaves in chains, each slave carying a stone. they are guarded by a host of soldiers. the more slaves there are the better for the state , or so we always thought. but the more slaves there are the more we have to be afraid of their rebelling. so we increae the size of our guard.
we are obliged to feed our slaves well, otherwise they will not be able to perform their heavy manual labour. but still they are lazy and inclined to rebellion. see how slowly they move and the guards have become lazy and do not bother using their whips to beat even the strongest and healthiest slaves. but they will soon be moving much more quickly. they wont need any guards. the guards themselves will be turned into slaves. this can be effected in the following way:
before sunset today herlads will be sent out everywhere to proclaim the pharoah's decree: with the dawn of hte new day all slaves will be granted complete freedom. for each stone brought to the city, the free men wil receive one coin. the coins may be exchanged for food, clothing, housing, a palace in town or even a whole town. from here on in, you are free people.

after the priests had let cratius' words sink in, one of them, the eldest said:
you are a demon, cratius! the demonry resulting from your plan will cover most of the nations of the world.
so, i may indeed be a demon, and what i have thought up, people in the future may call democracy.


MONEY = SLAVERY

ARE YOU REALLY FREE?

reply to post by InfaRedMan


Yes, but money is the tool that is designed for greed.

If there was no money there would not be people that did nothing but make money off of moving money.

No Banks, no credit cards no Casinos.

reply to post by sgrrsh26


You don't have to go the extreme of living entirely without money. Because there'll be a huge effort required to come off the grid completely whereas you can make so many radical changes to your life with only a little money.

The most important thing is to dampen the noise of everyday life, by living as simple a manner as you can. One way to achieve that is to ensure that you only purchase those material things you really need ... and that they should be functional, plain and inexpensive.

But what you "really need" will vary because we're all individuals. I really need a radio ; I really need good quality tea bags ... give me both and I'm the richest man on Earth.

I don't need a flatscreen tv, a ps3, a Volvo ... or even the internet. Can survive quite happily without all three. Thank you for giving me food for thought.

I have seen a few of these threads, and while the thought behind them may be well intentioned, a money free system cannot work.

Our society has become much to large and complex for a barter system to work.
For example:
Person A has chosen to be a shoe maker. If he wants to acquire a house, how would he do this? Offer a home builder 20,000 pairs of shoes?
How would the home builder pay his employees?...With said shoes?
Reverse the situation, if the home builder needs to acquire a weeks worth of food, does he try to pawn off said thousands of shoes or somehow offer to
build a house to the grocer for so much food?

Multiply the above situation by the 3 billion people on this planet, can you not see the problem with not having a exchange instrument? The example is one small exchange, imagine all the products and services that are used and needed in the world, how would you barter for all those things?

Most things made require multiple people to produce, think about your electric or phone service, how many people working together to produce those service and the vendors that sell them supplies.

Money is not the problem, there has to be a medium of exchange, much like the gun controversy, its not the money, its how people use the money that can make is dangerous.

Also, 3 billion people are not going to all of a sudden become farmers living off the land. This would not be practical and just would not plain happen. In that scenario, you still would need money to acquire supplies

[edit on 23-10-2009 by Dreamwatcher]

I don't think we will have to imagine it its about to happen from days to yrs we will have no money its going to happen.

Get Ready for the New Dark Age and the NWO will have a plan to save us with thier special little chip, unless each American citzen has $343,000 dollars each and then we could fix this mess the goverment has gotten us into.

Just watch FOX NEWS they are the only real media source the goverment just wants to keep its secrets thats why they say Fox is not a news source .

They know thier speaking the truth and they don't like it.

www.youtube.com...

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It would be nice if we could have a world without money making everyone equal and everybody gets what they need and everybody helps every body.

I sure we could work something out if all these morons around the world thinking they can control the planet, it will happen one day and they will also fall and it will be a time of peace and a new world.

Guess I am just dreaming but they will fall all empires fall sooner or later look at history and it will be hard to control a planet let them try they will fail.





[edit on 23-10-2009 by slipknotrules2009]

Considering most of the essentials of life were created and donated for FREE by a higher being, then it is criminal that some profit disgustingly off these gifts that were given to us.

The gifts being the land, (earth), fresh food (fruit and vegetables etc) and animals (cows, lambs etc)

This thread has just reminded me that we were given so much that has been hijacked by the greedy and nefarious.

[edit on 23-10-2009 by Flighty]

Is it horrible for me to say that I have a very hard time imagining a world without money??

I just can't wrap my head around it. I don't see how humans can function without some sort of currency. That would mean that people would have to whole heartedly care for one another and be devoid of evil, and I'm not sure that exists.

reply to post by Malzypants


A true socialist utopia, it's frightening isn't it?

Also in response to Dreamwatcher and the need for money. The concept of money is not as evil to me as the control of it's value. You give me a fixed value that is constant every day, and I'm less inclined to denigrate it so.

Originally posted by sgrrsh26

So I ask you, Imagine a life without money. How would things be? What would be different from life today? Specific examples earn you bonus fun dollars to purchase virtual clothes for your avatar!

Love the bonus fun dollars thing.

If money had never been invented things would be much more primitive.

You see Greed can exist without money because it is an inherent human flaw, wealth doesn't exist because of money, money exists as a way to quantify wealth. So even if money had never been invented there would still be manipulators holding vast resources and keeping them from the masses out of selfishness and greed, perhaps not on the levels we see today though.

The sickening level of greed in modern times comes from the fact our money is no longer backed by scarce valuable metals like Gold, so our currency is just a bunch of baseless digits and our system has become based on debt and lending as a form of disguised slavery. There are those countless credit card commercials and all sorts of other propaganda glorifying debt and of course college loans. So in order to become successful you must first become a debt slave.

If we weaned the world today off of money things would be a lot better, an honest days work would actually get you enough goods to survive and there would be no taxes they could remove from your "paycheck" if there's no money to begin with. The Medical profession would go back to being about helping people rather than charging them obscene prices and there would be no need for insurance or malpractice suits because you'd be bartering with your Doctor directly. I think there would be a great deal more homeless people because the unskilled would be unable to create any useful goods or services and therefore be unable to barter. However these people wouldn't be homeless because of some banksters on Wall Street screwing them over but simply because of their own lack of effort making it a somewhat fair system.

Education would no longer require vast loans but would be free and important in reduction of the number of unskilled citizens, if everyone learned a useful skill for free they could barter in the system just fine.

It would be a vastly different system to be sure and likely a better one but I have sinking suspicion there would still be groups of people vying greedily for control and power, perhaps without currency they couldn't become as tyrannical as the Elites of today but they'd still be a pain in the behind IMO.

but it would be a great world if thier was a way if thier were not for rich greedy people trying to control everything.

I believe every human should have a home and food and utilities for free if we could just all work to gether and stop trying to kill each other and worry about money.

Oh and free health care I know I'm dreaming

I once heard someone say something that seems to strike a cord with me personally. they said "Why do you have to pay for a world you were born to". It might sound very simple, but its a powerful statement that deserves some thought.

Recently while reading some ancient history about the Aztec and Mayans cultures, I read a passage that the Mayan Civilization had no currency or monetary system for over 500 years. I was dumbfounded to think that anyone let alone a large ancient civilization that lasted so long could exist without any monetary system.

I began to think what type of social culture was in place and after a while I realized that the key thing missing besides money was religion. There were no organized religious groups until Spain invaded and introduced the savages to Catholicism and Christianity according to the word of the bible.

I began to think how did people pay for food and supplies or a house or land and I discovered that no one owned anything. Food was produced, buildings or shelters were built and everyone played a role in society. With no currency and no religion there was no greed or capitalistic greed to influence society in a negative manner. Having food to eat was not measure in who had more than the next person. This aspect of selfish greed is in essence missing from the 500 yr period where no monetary or currency was used.

Anyway I mention this because it would probably benefit you to research the Mayan and or Aztec cultures and see if you can find any extensive research into this period of no currency and no organized religious dogma. It might shed more light on how they did it and what life was like under such a system of government where no currency existed that could be called a monetary system. The fact that there was no capitalism is also an interesting aspect of this historical period that intrigues me to no end.

I find it fascinating and one day I hope to better understand just how they did it and whether there is anything that we could learn from such research into ancient cultures and ancient social practices.

While this subject matter is better suited to someone with advance ancient culture degrees and such, I still think that we might learn something of value if we learned how they did it for 500 yrs and why they stopped. If it was the Conquistadors that corrupted the nation with a thirst for gold and precious gems, this could be why their period of no currency ended and it would define what greed, corruption and capitalism can do to a entire culture when it becomes about having it all even if you have to kill by genocide an entire culture and civilization to get it.

Thanks for the posting.

The only thing greater than currency is knowledge. The Aztecs probably led a system where they knew their role, they believed in one leader, and they all cooperated accordingly just to survive.

It doesn't take money to classify your social status, where you stand. It just takes playing the role you are handed, the best and happiest way possible.

A world without money = world peace

reply to post by Dreamwatcher

a money free system cannot work

That is not necessarily true. While I agree with you our system is too complex, I would argue that money has created that complexity. Without money things would be much more simple. A philosophical shift of ideas is needed though. I guarantee if the money system collapsed tomorrow you could still find people to work together on projects that benefit each other. It really is that simple. I bet doctors would even treat people with illnesses for no money. We would return to compassion, and do unto others as we would have done unto us. That doctor would teach others to be a doctor without the need for an institution to pay for that education.

Money, basically, equals physical "respect"... think about it.

It must exist, to an extent.