Political Storm over BNP on Major BBC Programe

Originally posted by TSOM87
So you have problem because its a one race party. So you would be against the The Metropolitan Black Police Association?

One word, representation.

The Black Police Association represents Black Police officers. The BNP wishes to represent the British People, Black, White, Asian, Christian, Muslim...

You have to be representative of the people you are working for.

There isn't a White Police Association, simply because it isn't needed. And any person who suggests that it is is simply stating so because they fancy a racial argument.

The fact is, The BPA is required because of existing and ongoing racism in the Met. Show me one example of a white officer experiencing racism!

The BNP wants to represent the British people as a political party. Therefore, they are required to represent ALL British people. That is something that they are incapable of doing.

Again the comparison between a political party and an association in a public service working for equality is laughable at best. I would wish for people to try harder.

reply to post by detachedindividual


Favour being by making the British people have first choice if it is needed, i mean, i think if you have lived in England longer than another person you should have first choice over anything if things where right.

i dont limit my friends to race i've known all types of races and enjoyed being with them so i would say i am never, maybe its my personal experience that makes more tuned to who i be friend.

I enjoy immagration as i have met so many people from all places, but i believe we should stop it now or be alot more stick on who we let in as lets face it we are a small island and need to concentrate on the current people in the Country we live in before we allow more people in.

thank you for replying.

I have thing i aks when people come to live or vistit England,

If you come please Learn and try to speak our language, practice our traditions and have pride in where you live. Live by our laws and norms.

JUst keep The country you seemed good enough to move to, the same.

Originally posted by Koka

Originally posted by detachedindividual
That is a fear, but in the same breath, that's not enough of a reason to restrict freedom of opinion or the BBC's impartiality.

Yes, I am well aware of that, as I mentioned in my initial post.

I still have concerns for the rise in attacks that will inevitably arise from the publicity garnered due to this.

I doubt very much that those making the decisions to allow this to go ahead are going to be victims of a racial attack on the street though, it's easy when the repurcussions do not affect you directly.

[edit on 22-10-2009 by Koka]

I'm not attacking your opinion, just stating mine.

I agree with you, it is a great shame that there may be following incidents. There was just now a guy on Sky suggesting the same thing.

I don't think it has been considered, but then if they did consider such things, would the BBC ever show anything challenging?

You are right, and it is a shame. All we can do is hope that those who do wish to continue on a violent path inspired by this, are prevented, caught, and punished as far as the law allows. Just as they hopefully would be at any other time, NG on telly or not.

Originally posted by ROBL240
Would anyone from England here go to any other Mid-East/Asian country and cry Racism if the party in that country was patriotic and wanted change?, of course not..so why should we accept it here, especially when our culture is dying out. Crime against white people is the majority and theres no jobs for anyone anymore and were still expecting a population rise of 1.7 million in the coming years.

Agreed!

People allready know this and can't express there concern because...wait for it...RACIST.

The BNP are been hyped because it takes the heat off issues like the expenses, The War, The Economy ect.

Tsom87

This is on topic but slightly off, just a question.

Does Nick Griffin have a glass eye?

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not available in my region...but thanks for the help anyways. i'm sure if i dig a bit tomorrow I can find it.

you brits aint so bad

Originally posted by ROBL240
I usually restruct myself from commenting about the BNP as I know how the vast majority of the UK population has fallen for G.Browns dishevelling and demonising of this party.

There is a major flaw.

I do not support our current government, I don't support any political party. The majority are just as disillusioned with G. Brown as I am.

Do not confuse common sense with political allegiance.

Just because I abhor the disgusting views of a violent, racist, homophobic group of Nazis doesn't mean I support the current government, or any other.

Patriotism and National Pride is completely separate of political allegiance. My patriotism is for my country, not some talking head in a position of power.

Maybe that's our difference here, perhaps you are willing to accept the dangers and horrific consequences of supporting such a group of people into power under the excuse of "national pride" and "patriotism", whereas I am in support of my country, not a talking head, and especially not one with such insane opinions.

Originally posted by XXXN3O
This is on topic but slightly off, just a question.

Does Nick Griffin have a glass eye?

Yes, yes he does.

In 1990 he was involved in an accident, in circumstances which have not been fully disclosed, in which he lost his left eye when a shotgun cartridge exploded in a fire. He now wears a glass eye. The accident happened in France

[edit on 22-10-2009 by pazcat]

I'll defend the BNP to the end! They are FOR free speech, and are using it to expose the TRUTH. The TRUTH is that immigrants, especially Muslim immigrants ARE a problem. It's not racist! It's a fact.

Here in America, Hispanics are much more likely to be involved in gangs and crime. This is a fact, but some people would call me racist (or Hispanophobic, a word i just made up to parallel Islamophobic).... It's the TRUTH. Just like a Muslim in England is more likely to be a rapist, a Hispanic in America is more likely to be in a street gang.

I could give more details/examples, and parallels.

Originally posted by thecrow001
If you come please Learn and try to speak our language, practice our traditions and have pride in where you live. Live by our laws and norms.

JUst keep The country you seemed good enough to move to, the same.

I actually agree with a lot of what you suggest. And I think many do.

This is why the BNP are so dangerous though, they fixate on common sense issues, without elaborating on how to achieve a fair balance, and people grasp those ideas and expect that the party is just that.

There does need to be some action on immigration, there does need to be a separation from Europe in various aspects, we do need to maintain our identity...

But NOT AT THE COST of electing this party. They may do a couple of these things, but their methods are the worry, and the associated risks are far too high.

You want lower immigration, and the BNP agree. But what if, when they gain power, they decide that the best thing to do is to start shooting people as they arrive?

We have to remember this man's background, and the background of the party.

Are you willing to see us go to war, open death camps, persecute gay people, execute dissidents, restrict freedoms and rights, all in exchange for lowering immigration?

reply to post by detachedindividual


Don't matter...its that fact that there a one race Association. Do you think anyone in the UK would get away with a whites Only whether that be Political or not?

I know the BNP want to represent British People, Black, White, Asian, Christian, Muslim. I don't disagree with that.

Tsom87

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Do you have any research to show and prove these "facts" of yours?

I'm afraid I believe that you are completely wrong.

Defend the BNP to the death? Wow.

Originally posted by TSOM87
reply to post by detachedindividual

 

Don't matter...its that fact that there a one race Association. Do you think anyone in the UK would get away with a whites Only whether that be Political or not?

I know the BNP want to represent British People, Black, White, Asian, Christian, Muslim. I don't disagree with that.

Tsom87

And that is the problem. It certainly does matter that the BPA is representative of Black Police Officers, the BNP as a political party of Britain, should be representative of the British people, not only white British people.

Simply saying it doesn't matter is not disproving of the facts. The BPA is there for a reason, to combat racism amongst the Met Police. A political party is there to represent the people of this country, all of them.

This is a very obvious and clear point. I agree with your sentiment on if there were a "White" association, but this would be viewed as racist because it simply isn't required and would be clearly based on a racist ideal.

This weekends going to be fun in town after bnp have had there say ... i might go stand in town and heckle some racist chants .. u never know i may get on question time ... maybe i need to put on a suit to to make it look legitamate ...

as for the other partys? useing them as an eg if there allowed why not them .. yes they are tards but no they dont dismiss other non white ... (britsh born but black not allowed) .. i mean its all about common sense .. why shouldnt the bnp be allowed .. because they are racist biggots who want a 1 race great britian ...

try being a victim of racial hate crime and then comment on weather in ure opnion they should be allowed or not ....

fuel the hate ......

I find our society very strange and one-sided, if you stand for your nation then you are a racist, a bigot etc. etc. but i suppose it's ok for someone from a foreign country to try and thrust their views on me? I wholly understand if an immigrant comes here because their place of origin is dangerous or quality of life is poor, but i think integration is more suitable personally. I support the EDL, standing up for English values, as they appear to be lost on those in power, who believe they can do what they want (just looking at the expenses' scandal, and the tory mp's behind the scenes rant). I am all for freedom of speech, which is why Nick Griffin should be allowed onto Question Time, so that he can give HIS views instead of people doing it for him.

The thing is as being part of the Commonwealth set up by the 'British Empire' i can come and immigrate and work in the UK quite easily, as many people do and British citizens do the same in our country, problem is im white, speak fluent English(even if my grammar is crap) and would not only fit in to but be a productive member of the society. There doesnt seem to be that much of a debate about that yet if my skin colour was different or came from one of those 'stan countries it causes massive uproar.
Now i have forgotten what point i was going to make, stupid head cold.

I'm white and born in England.
So if they ever get elected, so what , couldn't care less any more.
This is what happens when you've been force fed an unacceptable diet
for too long. We've had the wants and needs of every nation on Earth put above what was actually good for the country, and we are on our knees now because of it.

reply to post by detachedindividual


thank you.

Your correct about things need to change and not elect a party just for the reasons you agree on and ignore the racism.

But the longer the other partys leave it the more this party gains support,

So what a clever party should do to get votes is to support British pride without racism.

Some one needs to.

Originally posted by TSOM87


Free Speech. They have been Elected to EP with a million odd votes they have every right to be on the Program.

Tsom87

I haven't said anywhere in this thread that he shouldn't be on the show?

You can read right?

Just checking....

After watching the live feeds for hours, I notice two things:

I saw TWO black people in total. Just two. The rest were mostly young, stereotypically-looking students.

There were anti-nuke, anti war, anti-government and anti god knows what else signs mixed in.

Conclusion: These people have no real, cause, no idea what they're protesting against, and want to relish the opportunity to protest about something.