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Originally posted by turbofan
Yes I'm serious.
You saw the "Smoke trail" in the DOD video?
Are you telling me a data acquistion system cannot record events that produce smoke coming from an jet engine?
It's logic like this that answers the question why you, or none of your
"friends" will debate me live, nor more seasoned aviation pros.
You did read the link to the runway info and reason why John's interpretation of PA is incorrect?
ReHeat and WeedWacker did not pick up no these mistakes?
....or perhaps they are not pilots?/
Originally posted by weedwhacker
See? Another one of your ad homs.
On another post, regarding whether or not the right engine ingested FOD and began to smoke just before impact...are you sure it was a DoD video that alleged that? I see one that was made by a computer geek...maybe FOR the DoD, of that I have no knowledge.
...what makes you think a 250+ pound pole struck at 462 knots wouldn't register in the FDR using complex sensors?
Originally posted by turbofan
My freakin' car alarm can sense a tennis ball and sound a warning tone
based on simple inductive electronics; so what makes you think a 250+
pound pole struck at 462 knots wouldn't register in the FDR using complex
sensors?
Ad hom?
Why didn't you, or Reheat pick up the PA error
made by John Famer?
Originally posted by weedwhacker
I'm sorry?
Did I read that correctly?
Because your automobile car alarm can detect a tennis ball, you think that is the SAME as the SSFDR on a Boeing? Honest?
Please tell us just which particular type of "sensor" would accomplish such a feat. Describe, please, in detail its normal function, and why hitting a light pole would affect it in any way.
Take into account the time span involved, as well....from light pole
impact until Pentagon impact. Think carefully, here....look at the
distances, and speeds involved. the hilarity of this suggestion should
start to become clear.
Originally posted by 911files
reply to post by turbofan
So Google Earth is good for you when you use it, bad for me if I use it? Whatever the actual elevation, the PA gave it at 100+ at landing and 40 something at takeoff. So which is it? 40 something or 100+? Let's pick and choose whichever we want, so don't go saying I made a PA error, because the readings are in the Warren decode.
I stand by my assertion. The PA is too unpredictible and inaccurate for these purposes.
PA is based on Pressure and is the height above (or below) the standard datum plane as represented by 29.92. PA changes with local pressure changes. Since there is an 80 foot difference and the local pressure on take off at IAD was 30.20, its clear the pressure the night before was somewhere around 30.12/13. You can check this in the Baro Cor column for that flight, i'm sure its close. Again, I haven't had a chance to look at it, nor will i waste too much time on this.
0.08 inHg represents roughly 80 feet.
In other words, if the local pressure at IAD was 29.92 the night before, the PA in the FDR column would read roughly 300 feet, while at take off, it would still show 41 when the local pressure changed overnight to 30.20.
So, the question asked, "Which is more accurate.. .the 41 feet at take off, or the 120 on landing?"
Answer - Both. They both show the same True Altitude when corrected for local pressure. See the altimeter simulator i posted in this thread.
You would think those who claim to be pilots on the GL side would know this. This is basic student pilot knowledge.
Originally posted by trebor451Please, Turbofan. tell all of us what "complex sensor" is mounted in the wing leading edge or the cowling of an engine that would register the impact of the 100 ton aircraft against a 250 lb lamp pole designed to be toppled by a 1,800 lb car?
Originally posted by turbofan
Who says the sensors need to be on th eleading wing edge, or engine
cowling?
Originally posted by 911files
No turbo, once again you duck the issue at hand. You dance around evading the fact that at the same location, the fdr records the same PA as two different values almost 80 feet different from one another at two different times. You have spoken much and said nothing to address the issue at hand.
Originally posted by trebor451
Originally posted by turbofan
Who says the sensors need to be on th eleading wing edge, or engine
cowling?
If you and your boss over at PfT believe that a 757 FDR sensor system, as it is mounted and wired as is in a stock production 757, will recognize and and record the impact of 5 lamp poles in the configuration and environment of 9/11 at the Pentagon, that box of hammers is looking smarter and smarter than you boys every minute.
BUT....keep on keepin' on! We'll just add this to the list of items and events you have no clue about and don't wish to talk about here.
Can't wait for The Trials so we can finally ask you some questions....in our defense, of course.
Originally posted by turbofan
Originally posted by 911files
No turbo, once again you duck the issue at hand. You dance around evading the fact that at the same location, the fdr records the same PA as two different values almost 80 feet different from one another at two different times. You have spoken much and said nothing to address the issue at hand.
Danced around? I asked you to post the date of Flight #11 and the local
weather for that time of day.
Have you supplied it?
Do you read the link at P4T that explains your error yet, or will you continue
to repeat your nonsense?