Shocker! You are a Pawn of Satan and don’t even know it!” New movie!

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??????

Are you a logical thinker friend?

OT

well Id say that's a bit rich Thinker in light of this thread

but whatever- no- please spell it out for me

Originally posted by OldThinker

Originally posted by John Matrix
....I suspect you are of the view that, if alien disclosure does happen, those aliens will be none other than fallen angels in Satan's spiritual army.....

Yes, John, the deception will be of Satan....

Why else have they not revealed themselves if they have been poking in and out for thousands of yrs? Doesn't add up? If they are so advanced, what are the afraid of? Why be hesitant?

OT

Just so I know I'm following correctly

You think Et's dont show themselves because of Satan? is that what youre implying here?

Originally posted by lifecitizen
well Id say that's a bit rich Thinker in light of this thread

but whatever- no- please spell it out for me

OK, thx...please come back when you are...God bless friend!

OT

Originally posted by OldThinker

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
what about those stories of aliens healing people from different diseases?
and minor health problems?

Agent!

That is a great point for consideration here....

Readers, don't demons have powers to do miracles? Do they use GOOD to front EVIL?

Do they get folks off focus?

I dunno?

Thoughts?

OT

Thoughts ...

yeah well how much data do you need to accumulate about a specific situation before you can actually "rate" it as "good" or "evil ?

lots I'd think.

how do you know you're not blindly manicly accusing a do-gooder just because they're doing miracles?
and according to you they might be a "DEMON" doing miracles just to trick people into thinking they're good?
so just let the mob burn them and figure out if they're a demon or an angel later?
according to some "hunch" that they just might be evil-doer demons pretending to be angels while healing son who's dying of cancer?

nice hunch.

and what evil might that be?
what if a demon does 100,000 good things and one bad thing?
does that make him a good demon?

note: it's kind of disturbing to me, OT, that you seem to try to be such an authority on christianity, yet you dont know what the Kabballa is.... and why wouldn't you jsut use freaking google instead of asking here and waiting 2-3 days for someone to answer for you?

Christ was a Kabbalist.

and no.. it's not "madonna's" religion... that's just campy showcasing on the hollywood front.
it's one of the world's most ancient forms of spiritual science, if not the most accurate.


anyway.. yeah lets all catch and burninate the miracle-do-ers.. beuz we got a HUNCH that they miiiiight be demons tryin to fool us...

/end sarcasm/

Coo-coo for mob-caveman-pops.!

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I have two words for you....


DEEEE

CAFFE!!!!

OT

Originally posted by OldThinker

Let’s set the stage … please review this movie--trailer, of a soon-to-be-released horror:

Here: www.youtube.com... "ABDUCTION of the 4TH KIND!"

The trailer, in one-hell-of- a-great-way, grabs you…really it’s good, see it….!!!! It details how HYPNOTISM reveals ALIEN ABDUCTION….they’ve got original footage and all….the Producers and Directors are geniuses really.

original footage?

abigail tyler is fiction despite what it says at the begining of the trailer.
she was never registered as a psychiatrist , or as a matter a fact , never registered as a person who ever lived in nome...
have a look here community.adn.com... and realize
that is just a promotion of a movie and should be treated like one.

hollywood BS

Almost forgot? What makes them geniuses? because they are trying to stir up the aliens believers by saying "based on actual case studies" , they forgot to mention : actual case studies of a person that doesn't exist ...

Only for that , for not respecting their audience and underestimating their level of inteligence ,i'll never buy the dvd , i'll still see the movie, mainly because of the curiosity now,but i'll download it from torrents, and maybe if more people will do the same next tiem they'll show more respect...

They could easily have said " inspired by true facts" . the facts that people dissapeared is true , but that's everything that's true . Maybe a movie like Population 436 or what was it called would be more suitable to this story...

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[edit on 22-10-2009 by charlie_the_loafer]

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thx for the info....


I just thought the marketing was good...

Certainly you would agree there is evidence this 'type' thing has happened before?

Not to concerned with the "movie" but the message linkage of the two links I posted...

OT

Originally posted by prevenge
.......note: it's kind of disturbing to me, OT, that you seem to try to be such an authority on christianity, yet you dont know what the Kabballa is.... .....-

what is your point here?

I've been a christian longer than you've been alive...

And what does the Kabballa (your interpretation) have to do with anything?

OO

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Where is the evidence the Christ was a Kabbalist? Just because he was Jewish doesn't mean he practiced that form of Jewish mysticism.

I_R

Originally posted by OldThinker

Originally posted by prevenge
.......note: it's kind of disturbing to me, OT, that you seem to try to be such an authority on christianity, yet you dont know what the Kabballa is.... .....-

what is your point here?

I've been a christian longer than you've been alive...

And what does the Kabballa (your interpretation) have to do with anything?

OO

OT, that you seem to try to be such an authority on christianity, yet you dont know what the Kabballa is....

yeah and he's been a christian longer than you've been alive, lol

That would go to show how much he's researched anything else besides christianity- he doesn't even understand all the different facets of christianity yet feels qualified to preach his truth as absolute truth.

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Have we discovered the identity of the guy being interviewed who said the things he did about the Devil and Darwin?

Originally posted by lifecitizen
.....yeah and he's been a christian longer than you've been alive, lol

That would go to show how much he's researched anything else besides christianity- he doesn't even understand all the different facets of christianity yet feels qualified to preach his truth as absolute truth.

.....

???????

Why are you laughing?


And what do you expect? 2 plus 2=3...or maybe 2 plus 2 =5? why waste my time when I know it four

btw, who were u talking to in the last thread....

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Christianity is about worshipping a physical body/human over the One Infinite Creator...Which is, an abomination.

There is no "Good" or "Evil", there just IS.

Stop looking outwards for a 'saviour' or some messiah because there is only one being and that is what IS.

[edit on 22-10-2009 by Psychonaughty]

Originally posted by Psychonaughty
reply to post by OldThinker

 

Christianity is about worshipping a physical body/human over the One Infinite Creator...Which is, an abomination.

There is no "Good" or "Evil", there just IS.

Stop looking outwards for a 'saviour' or some messiah because there is only one being and that is what IS.

[edit on 22-10-2009 by Psychonaughty]

point 1-who says? nope!

point 2-open your eyes...

point 3-where is he...inside?


where does your heresy come from?

OT

Originally posted by OldThinker

Originally posted by Psychonaughty
reply to post by OldThinker

 

Christianity is about worshipping a physical body/human over the One Infinite Creator...Which is, an abomination.

There is no "Good" or "Evil", there just IS.

Stop looking outwards for a 'saviour' or some messiah because there is only one being and that is what IS.

[edit on 22-10-2009 by Psychonaughty]

point 1-who says? nope!

point 2-open your eyes...

point 3-where is he...inside?


where does your heresy come from?

OT

Point 1: Every Christian that I speak too, "Jesus this", "Jesus that".

Point 2: Your eyes are narrowed on a human 3rd density perspective you are but viewing in a distorted reallity.

Point 3: Yes he is, you, I, a dog, even the tree outside, everything IS the One. It is but the Superior One experiencing himself.

Where does your 'heresy' come from, is it you that thought of Jesus being your saviour, or was it that you were brought up with outward entites expressing this on to you?

point 1-you are limited friend, open up and research....ok?

The Angel of the Lord (lit. Jehovah) oftentimes in the OT is equated with and yet distinct from Jehovah. The passage which may best describe their relation is Isaiah 63:8-9, wherein God is called Israel's Savior, but it is the Angel of His presence that saves Israel. This Angel of God was generally regarded by the early church Fathers as the Logos or Word of God (John 1:1), the one who declared God and whose glory we have beheld (John 1:14,18; cf John 12:45; 14:9; II Corinthians 4:4-6; Colossians 1:15; 2:9; Hebrews 1:3). See E. W. Hengstenberg, Christology of the Old Testament, pp. 80-91, 1279-1312 for a thorough discussion of this issue. Below is a list of verses where this Angel/Logos appears: Genesis 16:7-14; 21:17-19; 22:1-2,11-18; 31:11-13 with 28:13 & 35:1,3,7,15; 48:15-16
Exodus 3:1-6; 13:21-22 w/ 14:19 & Numbers 20:16; 23:20-23. Cf Acts 7:30-38
Numbers 22:21-35. Cf 22:9,20; 23:3-5,15-16; 24:2,4,16
Judges 2:1-5; 6:11-24; 13:2-23
Isaiah 63:8-9
Hosea 12:3-5. Cf Genesis 32:24-30
Zechariah 1:7-12: 2:3-5,8-11; 3:1-10; 12:8
Malachi 3:1 (messenger of the Covenant = angel of the covenant).

This Angel/Logos is primarily called the Angel of Jehovah (Malak Yahweh), but is also referred to as the Angel of God (Elohim), the Angel, my Angel and an Angel. Sometimes, however, these expressions are used of other figures (Exodus 32:34-33:4; Ecclesiastes 5:6; Malachi 2:7; 3:1 ‘my messenger’), and sometimes it is uncertain whether the Logos or a normal angel is intended (Genesis 24:7,40; Judges 5:23; II Samuel 24:16-17; I Kings 19:5-7; II Kings 1:3,15; 19:35; I Chronicles 21:11-30; II Chronicles 32:21; Psalm 34:7; 35:5-6; Isaiah 37:36; Daniel 6:22).

The logos also appeared in the Old Testament in various human forms (Genesis 18:1-19:22; 21:1 with 18:10; 32:24-30; Joshua 5:13-6:2; Ezekiel 1:25-2:4; 8:1-4; Daniel 3:25,28; 8:15-16; 10:5-9,16-11:1; 12:6-9; Zechariah 11:4-17; 13:7). The man who wrestled with Jacob (Genesis 32:24-30) is specifically called "the Angel ... even Jehovah" in Hosea 12:3-5, the commander of the Lord's army (Joshua 5:14) is almost certainly the angel of Exodus 23:20-23 & Numbers 22:21-35, and probably all of the other figures are likewise to be equated with the Angel of the Lord.


There are also other theophanies, or manifestations of God, in the Old Testament. These are not associated with any particular angelic or human forms. See, for example:

Genesis 12:7; 17:1-22; 26:2,24; 28:13-17; 35:1,9
Exodus 19:3,8-25; 20:18-22; 24:1-2,9-18; 29:42-46; 31:18; 32:30-34:11; 34:29-35; 40:34-35
Numbers 1:1; 9:15-23; 11:16-17,24-25; 12:4-10; 14:10-14; 16:42; 20:6-7
Deuteronomy 1:30-33; 4:10-15,32-37; 5:4-5,22-27; 33:2; 34:10
Job 38:1; 42:5
Isaiah 6:1 with Jn 12:39-41
Ezekiel 1:1; 3:23-24; 9:3-4; 10:1-4,18-20; 11:22-23; 43:1-7; 44:4; 48:35
Amos 9:1

Again it would seem that in many, if not all, of these cases that God appeared in the form of His Angel. This is certainly the case in the theophany to Jacob at Bethel, for in Genesis 31:11-13 the Angel of God says that He is the God of Bethel to whom Jacob had made a vow in Genesis 28:18-22. It would also seem that the presence (lit. ‘face’) of Jehovah in Exodus 33:14-15 is another title for the Angel of Exodus 23:20-23, as both perform the same work of leading Israel into the promised land (cf Deuteronomy 4:37). Further evidence for this equation comes from the expression "Angel of His presence" (lit. ‘face’) in Isaiah 63:9. It seems to have been formed by conjoining the two names, and suggests that the inspired prophet equated "the face of Jehovah" with "the Angel in whom is the name of the Lord" (Exodus 23:21).

The scripture declares that no man has seen or can see God (Exodus 33:20; John 1:18; 5:37; I Timothy 6:16; I John 4:12,20), save, of course, for Jesus (John 6:46). Yet we have many appearances of God in the Old Testament as noted above, and the plain declaration of Jesus that he who has seen him has seen the Father (John 1:18; 12:45; 14:9). John 12:38-41 further expressly identifies God in Isaiah 6:1 with Jesus. The only logical conclusion to be drawn from all of this is that Jesus, in his pre-incarnate form as the Word = Logos, also performed the work of revealing God to man in Old Testament times. The Logos manifested himself sometime in the form of the Angel, sometime as a human figure, sometime in nature (Exodus 13:21; 20:18-22), and sometimes in an unidentified form (e.g., Genesis 17:1,22; 35:9). Because the Logos is both with God and is God (John 1:1), it can be true both that men in the Old Testament saw God and that no man has seen the Father at any time. The only other things worthy of note are that Moses alone of all the prophets seems to have seen the Father Himself, though not literally face to face (Exodus 33:18-23; 34:5-7,29; Numbers 12:6-8; Deuteronomy 34:10); and in the age to come we will see God even as He is (Job 19:25-27; Psalm 11:7; 17:15; Matthew 5:8; I John 3:2; Revelation 22:4).


Special Study in Daniel

The Angel/Word is manifested as:


One like a son of the gods = His angel - 3:25,28; 6:22.
The Prince (sar) of the Host - 8:11,25; cf Joshua 5:14.
A holy one speaking - 8:13-14; cf 12:6-7.
The appearance of a man = a man clothed in linen - 8:15-16; 10:5-9,16-19; 12:6-7; cf Ezekiel 9-10.
Daniel's greater Lord - 10:17 (see C. 4 below).
The Messiah -
a) One like a son of man - 7:13-14.
b) Prince (nagid) / Anointed - 9:24-25.


Michael is manifested as:


Part of the faithful Host of Heaven - 8:10-12.
One of the chief Princes (sar) - 10:13.
Israel's Prince (sar) - 10:21; 12:1; cf Jude 9 & Rev 12:7.


Gabriel is manifested as:


Part of the faithful Host of Heaven - 8:10-12.
A holy one who questioned the Angel - 8:13-14; cf 12:6-7.
The Angel of Interpretation - 7:16; 8:16-19; 9:21-22; 10:10-15,20-11:1; 12:8-9.
He delivered the revelations in 7:17-27; 8:19-26; 9:22-27; 11:2-12:4; 12:9-13.
Daniel's lesser Lord - 10:16b-17,19b; 12:8.
One of the angels by the river - 12:5-6.


Note on spiritual warfare:
Israel's Prince, Michael, had been in battle with the Prince of Persia, in the first year of Darius the Mede (11:1). Gabriel was sent to "confirm and strengthen" Michael (11:1), in response to Daniel's prayer (see chapter 9, especially v. 23). His support, judging from 9:1 and 9:20-23, seemed primarily to be helping Daniel gain understanding of the vision, which in this case involved the delivery of a Messianic prophecy to mankind.

Gabriel then seems to have been left alone battling the Kings of Persia (10:13,21). Daniel had prayed for help in understanding another vision (10:1-3,12), but the Prince of Persia was preventing Gabriel from getting through to Daniel (10:12-13). So this time Michael came to the aid of Gabriel (10:13), freeing him up so that he could again give Daniel understanding of what will happen to his people in the latter days (10:14).

Two points of interest. First, what happens on earth (prayer) moves heavenly forces in the battle against principalities and powers, and they in turn minister to men (in the book of Daniel primarily through giving understanding of future events connected to the people of God and their Messiah). Second, Gabriel who is one of God's main warriors against the demonic forces, is also given the knowledge of their future power and ultimate destruction. This must have been great consolation to him as he prepared for future battle against God's enemies.


Special Study in Ezekiel

The Angel/Word


Visions of God - 1:1; cf 8:3; 11:24; 40:2.
Glory of Jehovah - 3:23; 8:4; 9:3; 10:4, 18-20; 11:22-23; 43:1-7; 44:4.
A likeness as the appearance of a man - 1:25-2:4; 8:1-4; 10:20.
The Messiah (?) Prince (nasi) - 44:2-3, etc. (17 times in Ezekiel 44-48); cf 34:24 & 37:25.
Note that, the Glory of Jehovah and the being who looked like a man, are in fact the same figure. Compare 10:20 with 1:26-28.

Two Important Figures


The Man in White Linen - 9:2-4,6,11; 10:2-3,6-7.
The man whose appearance was like bronze, who guided Ezekiel on the tour of the Temple - 40:3-4; 42:6; 44:1,4; 46:19-47:12.


Angels


The four Living Creatures = Cherubim - 1:5-25; 10:1-22.
The six destroying Angels - 9:1-7.

The Angel in the New Testament
There is no mention of the Angel of the Lord in the Gospels or the Epistles, and only one historical reference in the Acts (7:38). One must ask why such a prominent Old Testament figure suddenly disappeared in the New. The answer, of course, is that he did not. He just took on a different form. For in the New Covenant the Angel of the Lord has been incarnated as Jesus the Messiah. And all the attributes and work ascribed to the Angel are now found in Christ. Through both God performs his tasks of redemption, judgement and revelation. And are not the persons of both fairly summed up in the Hebrew writer's expression " the effulgence of His glory and the very image of His substance"?

The Angel/Logos, however, does reappear in the last book of the New Testament, and here is shown in his full glory (Revelation 1:10-4:1; 14:14-16(?); 19:11-21; 22:7,12-20). John clearly equates him with the figures in Ezekiel and Daniel who had the appearance of a man. He is further expressly designated as the Word of God (19:13), the Son of God (2:18), and as the one who was dead and is alive forevermore. If any further proof were needed that the Angel of the Lord is the Logos in pre-incarnate form, this should be sufficient. John's descriptions of the one "like unto a son of man" also makes it clear that the Angel is a divine person -- for he, like the Father (1:8), is Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End (22:13). more: www.answering-islam.org...

2 and 3 I'll get too...btw, this JC you want to trivilize I talk to everyday for more decades than you know...here he is: www.tonycampolo.org...

Originally posted by Yummy Freelunch
The movie "4th Kind" has been shown to be made up hollywood drama..once again...like Blair Witch

NBC Universal is hoping to fool Americans into theaters again this fall by releasing another movie that is trying to virally bill itself as being a true story, when really its all made up once again

Here is a link to the full story...
LINK

It is not all made up and saying things is just to discredit... smart people know to take everything with a grain of salt.

I believe this to be truth to it because it has happened to me, the demonic bird and 3:33 and all... I think saying 'they're speaking sumerian' is ridiculous though.

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There is no opposite forces at work here really, there is only one single infinity all for one single purpose...

GOD LED ME TO IT!!! You'd NEVER believe how I came across this vid. I wasn't even searching for it, but trust me when I tell you that you'd NEVER in your woldest dreams believe me if I told you.

www.youtube.com...