Iran threatens to invade Pakistan, "crushing response" for US, UK

Originally posted by dooper
Threatening to invade Pakistan?

They couldn't even whip Iraq. I just know the Paki's are shaking in their boots. Beside, Pakistan just may nuke their Persian butts if pushed.

Iran supports Hizballah, and other nations support anti-Iranians groups.

Why the animosity?

The Paki's as you call them dooper are failing more misirably then iraq during the iran iraq war (firing on a us ship(there allies at the time) LOL) they can bearly fight off the taliban going after there military basis wich should be hardened targets but NOPE fail all over the place it's good for Lulz but not for much else may i suggest you read up the iran iraq war before pulling another statement out of your arse

Your's Sincerly

ANON

Originally posted by mrmonsoon
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

Your argument sounds like government issue.

There is no proof.

Just take my word for it or you are uneducated.

Wow, do you work for the government???
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:lol

What ABSOLUTE IGNORANCE "take my word for it or you are uneducated" appeal to power anyone? I forgot are we talking about the middle east or religion here????

Incase you had forgotten this is a CONSPIRICY SITE I think you will find some people do work for the government either the F.B.I. C.I.A. or the tax department.

In short take YOUR opinions and go and review them sounds to me like someone has a god complex they need to "whack out" if ya know what i mean :3

Proty, my friend. Again we are discussing two different places.

For you there's chraming friendly lovable beleagured Iran, just wanting to harvest their pistachios, weave their rugs, and drill their oil. Conspired against by Evil Powers to some malign Machiavellian end.

To the rest of the world, including a few million Iranian citizens who have fled, there is a country that for the last 30 years has been in the grip of messianic mullahs who, along with their military bodyguards, have kept the potentially prosperous and civilized country at a rogue banana republic level of autocratic theocracy with disturbing delusions of grandeur.

No one is saying countries don't have the right to nuclear armamenting as a protective deterrent defense. It's just that no one trusts THESE GUYS with nukes.

They may think it's exciting fun to play in the Major Leagues as the international Bad Boys, but the rest of the world is not amused.

As the current regime moves towards a self-created crisis, the direction becomes troublesome. A suicide scenario, a decision to go out in a blaze of glory, is what spooks a lot of countries around them.

Were it just about greed, at least things would be predictable and manageable. But when we start dealing with religious zeal coupled with power and control ambitions - no one wants to find out the hard way.


M

Originally posted by mr-lizard

That's an irrelevant point to be honest.

The Uk has THE BEST soldiers on the planet in regards to the SBS and SAS. But that's irrelevant.

Iraq didn't really engage in a war with Iran, instead they used chemical weapons on the fringe or Iran. BIG DIFFERENCE.

[edit on 19-10-2009 by mr-lizard]

I always find it amusing how the English and their lackeys keep peddling this "best soldiers" nonsense over and over again. That myth is just the last vestige of the old "Pax Brittania" era. A phrase peddled to the gullible and over time treated as fact with no real effort to check its veracity. This phrase might have had some truth in the 18th or 19 centuries but not any more! No reasonable person can think the SBS and SAS still hold some mythical status as the "best soldiers on this planet" - a claim with no reasonable proof whatsoever. Especially in the 21st century!

As for Iraq, their war with Iran was ALL-OUT and chemical weapons were employed not "on the fringe" but as a matter of course because conventionally they couldnt gain the upper hand. You may also tell the half a million dead soldiers and civilians that it was merely warfare on the "fringe" and NOT all out war!
If massive trench warfare, human wave attacks, massive artillery barrages, chemical weapons and bayonet charges are not what you consider "not really war" then World War 1 must have been a mild skirmish, right ?

Please read up on the actual history before you dispute and slight such well documented and tragic historical events.

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Well friend Michael as I have said before I respect everyone's right to have their own opinion. I know quite a few exiled Iranians and why they are exiled Iranians and let us just say these people are neither as lily white as the pure fresh fallen snow when it comes to being innocent but that they are probably less tollerant of Zionism and Israel than the Government in Tehran is.

Trust me when I say Tel Aviv would not want former members of the SAVAK getting their hands on a nuclear weapon and it is former members of the SAVAK that will be installing along with the CIA and MI6 and MOSSAD the knew Shah in Iran.

Ultimately here is the deal and one that confuses a lot of people in both my opinion regarding Israel and Iran.

I am not religious. I don't place any stock in religion. Muslims mostly live in Iran and Hebrews mostly live in Israel.

Both sects have some extremely disturbing beliefs in some of their books.

Israelis often like to argue as Zionists do that they aren't that strict in regards to their religious doctrine.

Being a little religious is like being a little pregnant. You either are or you aren't.

To me all religions are crazy and I don't do shades of crazy.

So unlike most people though many people refuse to allow me this right as they refuse to see it this way themselves.

I look at Israel as being a state, and Iran being a state. I don't look at Israel as being a Jewish state and I don't look at Iran being a Muslim State.

Obviously a lot of people have chosen to be Jewish at times throughout history at great personal cost and risk. That's there right.

Obviously a lot of people have chosen to be Muslim as it is the world's most popular religion.

Whether that's do to breeding, brain washing, or bribery is neither here nor there, math is just math.

I judge what the Israelis do as a state. I could care less if they were all Satanists who sacrifice babies on golden alters. As long as it's their own babies and everyone involved is happy doing what they are doing. All the more power to them.

I judge Iran on what it does as a state. I could care less if they were all Satanists who sacrifice babies on golden alters. As long as it's their own babies and everyone involved is happy doing what they are doing. All the more power to them.

What I care about is a nation's foreign policy not it's domestic policy.

We have a shockingly horrible and corrupt dishonest government here in America. The people actually seem to like it and defend keeping it at great costs despite the average person's love of complaining. Our government sucks but it is actually the government that people want because people don't want to change it. It is what it is.

I figure when Americans really get ready for a change well then they will change it.

I don't care what Israel or Iran's domestic policies are, that's between them and their people it's none of my business, I don't live there.

I care about their foreign policy.

I don't like nations that make trouble, you know wars, violent acts of agression, piracy, stealing, taking slaves, prizing ships that kind of thing.

It's a dysfunctional planet but that's no reason for everyone to not get along and realize and accept we are all as screwed up and dysfunctional as the next guy.

Iran hasn't attacked anyone, I have no problem with their foreign policy.

Israel does tend to be much more agressive I do have a problem with their foreign policy.

We here in the United States take the war mongering cake, I really have a problem with our foreign and domestic policy.

It is my personal contention that one of the reasons our government is screwed up is WE DON'T MIND OUR OWN BUSINESS, and not only do we just end up screwing up everyone else's nation by meddling but ours has been going down the toilet in the process.

You want to talk about the problems with Sharia Law, no different than the Talmud but hey guess what, I live under something even more screwed up called the Patriot Act and FISA.

Think I am overly concerned that millions of Islamic Iranians actually want to live under religious law? Sure am not because at least their laws are more or less written in stone and fixed.

Our Congress writes new laws every day that infringe upon people's rights.

Why the heck would I care how Iranians want to live when I really need to care about what's going in this nation.

One of the sad things is Michael is many people accept these unjust and unconstitutioanl laws because of manipulation like "It could be worse at least it's not Sharia Law" of course these are people saying this who don't even know what Sharia Law is, just someone who 'read an intelligence report' this weekend telling them it's bad or some talking corporate media head.

People are gullible and stupid the world over.

Clean up your own backyard first is what I say.

Iran hasn't attacked anyone and all this is just a distraction from much more pressing domestic issues of our own, and believe me when I say it's a deliberate distraction.

The truth is Michael truly critical minds are self critical and no offence but where the Zionists and Israelis are concerned they have criticism for everyone and everything but themselves in case you haven't noticed.

American people are in a lot more danger currently than Iranian people are.

Americans can not change Iran's government for them. Iraq is a mess, Afghanistan is a mess, and neither country recognizes it's government as being legitimate when you get to the average man or woman on the street or in the field.

Regime change is a dangerous and bankrupting falicy that does not work.

Why because you absolutely can not do for people what they do not want to do or refuse to do for themselves.

That's common sense Michael.

We have a huge problem here in America domestically that is inflicting the entire world.

America needs to clean up it's own backyard, Israel needs to clean up it's own backyard, Pakistan, Iran and all the rest.

Our trash and Israel's trash is spilling out all over the place, Iran's isn't.

As I have told you many times before Michael you are being used as a pawn in a game you imagine you understand but don't because ultimately you really believe you read an intelligence report this weekend and that it means something real.

The reality on the ground as they say in the military is always different than the reality in the reports.

I am the most grounded person I know!

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Eventually the next Shah of Iran will rule all of Persia, Pakistan, Bangladesh and India since India is the home of the Shah's Peacock throne.

All of this is about restoring the Peacock Throne and crowning the current Prince and shaping up the 13 zones the New World Order One World Government will be broken down into.

No one should believe a word the mainstream media reports or says or trust one government East or West or one politician East or West.

Well unless you like being cannon fodder and an economic slave taxed to death to pay for all this insanity. Then by all means follow along with your programming.

I see you have finally ratcheted up you misinformed and ignorant rants to outright crazy!

First, some basic facts, Persia never conquered the whole of present day India. The only people to have done that would be the British. Also the Persians had never-ever had access to the Bay of Bengal so rule of Bangladesh is absolutely crazy. The Peacock throne among other things was taken from the last of the Mughals who were ruling Delhi. That was in the early 18th century. And even with the Mughals or the Iranians the Peacock Throne never brought them much luck as evidenced by the rapid decline of Nader Shah's empire after his death or the Mughal emperor Shah Jahan who was imprisoned and put to death by his own son. So good luck to the "prince" of the NWO who gets to claim the throne, he is destined to have a short life! Lastly, a NWO government with India and Pakistan under one rule would be almost impossible as both of them share the same anathema for each other!

Apparently, you still cant seem to comprehend the very simple principle of Democracy which being that it is "of the people and by the people" . Hate the person not the system, if you wish. Democracy has had many great triumphs to be easily sold into your paranoid ravings. The strength of Democracy is the fact that separates the very countries that you talked about earlier from each other - Iran, Pakistan, India and Bangladesh.

After Saddam Hussein's unsuccessful attack on Iran in 1980, the Saudis offered Iran $70 Billion as reparations in an attempt to get the country back into the fold.

They had the right to refuses - and did. They then launched a self-proclaimed brutal Holy War on Iraq that lasted for 6 years and caused terrible destruction and death for both countries.

But I keep being told they never attacked anyone.

News to many, Israel is not the centre of the Universe, doesn't dictate US foreign policy, have designs on the Middle East or the world. It struggles to maintain itself. It does have decent working relationships with most of the civilized world despite the negative press. The Muslim world does voice issues but for the most smooth part trade of good and services goes on though through back channels.

The Iranian people are unfortunately the victim of a very bad regime, bent on religiously driven backward mobility. The people suffer as the rest of the world moves forward and the once advanced culture is being left behind.

I don't want to see anyone attack Iran. But I don't want to see Iran launch another Holy War. They keep talking about it and engage in proxy wars not only with Israel but now Yemen and eastward.

The country has some pressing concerns domestically and regionally. They are not being addressed. The charade of the last 30 years will have to end sometime. We all hope it doesn't involve the massive death and devastation being promised.

It might all just be an act. But it looks like much than that. Communication is not good. So there is great concern.


M




[edit on 20-10-2009 by mmiichael]

Originally posted by mr-lizard


Israel is itching for a war with Iran. They hate each other and both have shown antagonism to the other, yet it's Iran who have been labelled as the 'bad guys' just because they questioned the holocaust yet the US blindly follow Israel in what ever they wish to achieve (except thankfully for the moment the US has given Israel the no-no in regards to bombing Iran). Which up to now can be seen as a step towards maturity.

Just because they questioned the Holocaust ?? Is that not "enough" of a reason to treat them as hostile ? Israel is a nation forged from the ashes of the Holocaust and to question the Holocaust- the greatest pogrom in recorded history, is frankly ridiculous and fervently anti-semetic in its connotation. A nation who's leader openly seeks to destroy Jews and Israel is a stark reminder to Israel of the days before the Holocaust and as a people they are entitled to do everything they can to protect themselves, even of it means nukes or pre-emptive attacks. That is their right and the right of all free people to protect themselves.
The US along with most the sane people of the world acknowledge that Iran's antagonistic tone and threats against Israel are the reason for the current escalation and supports Israel's right to protect itself at all costs.

Iran is being made out to be the "bad guy" because it is behaving as the "bad guy" by threatening nations of wiping them off the map and other such belligerent threats and actions. It is secretive about its research on nuclear technologies even after signing an international agreement not to work towards nuclear weapons.

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You are clear I was commenting on pro's post, right?
It was specificly this:
"Eventually the next Shah of Iran will rule all of Persia, Pakistan, Bangladesh and India since India is the home of the Shah's Peacock throne.

All of this is about restoring the Peacock Throne and crowning the current Prince and shaping up the 13 zones the New World Order One World Government will be broken down into.

No one should believe a word the mainstream media reports or says or trust one government East or West or one politician East or West.

Well unless you like being cannon fodder and an economic slave taxed to death to pay for all this insanity. Then by all means follow along with your programming.
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