Chemtrail proof! 1990 US Air Force document!

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
I dont believe chemtrails are used for population reduction thats what i call classic fear mongering, and also i dont believe Morgellons come from chemtrails again fear mongering but do i believe chemtrails can cause damage and are been used to cover up something in the sky.

what do you say.

I agree, I feel the severity of chemtrails might be exaggerated and we truly don't know their purpose is. However, because of the secrecy and denial of it being anything more than something you just see in the sky, and discovering in official documents that they acknowledge it in their documents, I believe they are something harmful.

reply to post by sliceNodice


One debunk plot is that it would cost 'them' alot of money to carry out such spraying,but, WE are paying for it, we pay the taxes so they get the money to fund it.

And, they make money too as we need to bue medicine for long periods of times, so it is a win/win for them...

And they het rid of alot of people, win/win/win for them...
And they saves a whole Bundle on pentions if alot of seniors died 'just about' that age where they are to collect it, win/win/win/win....

Here is a picture from yesterday.
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/522de5d4b5db.jpg[/atsimg]
Normal contrails do not explain this behavior of the 'clotting' of the sky during the day.. I have seen them at night too, so it is not just during day time..

[edit on 20/10/2009 by ChemBreather]

Originally posted by dnvrliz
I want to run something by you guys.

Remember after 911, they did not allow any planes in the sky?

Well I noticed that for the first time in my life I saw a clear sky and the air was so wonderful.

This is the first time I have ever seen this happen,
Anyone else notice this?

I actually mentioned this earlier in the thread. The amount of water vapour in the weather balloon sounding for the dates afterwards of 9/11 was quite small. The diurnal maximum and minimum temperatures were also the largest that the eastern US had experienced for years apparently. Maximum day temperatures actually rose quite steeply

Contrails that form Cirrus actually prevent heat from leaving the earth at night, and prevent it from reaching the surface during the day. With no aircraft contributing to this, the weather completetly changed.

There are actually numerous documents online about the affect contrails have on temperature variances and there are even some related to the days after 9/11

Well spotted though

reply to post by OzWeatherman

Hey Oz,
You might want to post this on a climate change thread too!

There are actually numerous documents online about the affect contrails have on temperature variances

Um, contrails are manmade and have been shown as affecting temperature variances, but yet we are not affecting the climate at all?
Um, okay now I'm really confused!
Didnt we outlaw CFC's because they made the ozone hole worse?
Gad. Which is it? A little of everything perhaps?
The climate change denial is shocking. And potentially fatal.
And yet it's all about some form of manipulation, anyway? Isn't it?

Please explain Operation Cloverleaf and other related "operations"!
Thanks gobs!

Originally posted by OzWeatherman
reply to post by AllSeeingI

 

Again with the government shill and disinfo campaign remarks...seriously is this all you have? Its getting real old.

And if there was chemtrails, Im sure they wouldnt be spraying up that high, as a pilot you must know the mechanisms of how the jestream and upper level winds work dont you?

Like I said, if I wanted to affect a large population it would be straight into the drinking supply or spraying at a lower level where things are not affected by wind

This again is MISDIRECTION (a common disinfo tactic)

"There are much more efficient ways to affect a large population"
Very true. But ever consider that the purpose of the Chemtrails is NOT to affect the population. Perhaps purpose of the chemtrails' is something else.

The purpose of the chemtrails best theories I have are:

A plan to shade the planet or parts of it in order to alter the ALBEDO (sun reflectivity) of the planet and alter or change the climate or the current trend in climate change.

OR

A high tech purpose such as HAARP related technologies or a tech beyond our current knowledge. The purpose of which could be anything from mind-control, to earthquake creation, or even some sort of electromagnetic planetary defense for a severe solar storm or some other not commonly known future cataclysmic event.

These theories may seem be far fetched.
But I am not here to argue the purpose.
I am here to argue the existence.

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Anybody with a brain can see that these are not trails left by normal jets. Also, when do you see 10-15 jets flying hectically criss cross?

I've seen these only once, and have no clue what the purpose is or what they include.

Originally posted by Tryptych
Anybody with a brain can see that these are not trails left by normal jets. Also, when do you see 10-15 jets flying hectically criss cross?

I've seen these only once, and have no clue what the purpose is or what they include.

This is the main point.

WE DONT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE.... BUT WE KNOW THEY EXIST.
You only need to see them once. And thousands, millions have. And more and more each day are questioning what they see and have accepted as "normal".

reply to post by OzWeatherman

I actually mentioned this earlier in the thread. The amount of water vapour in the weather balloon sounding for the dates afterwards of 9/11 was quite small. The diurnal maximum and minimum temperatures were also the largest that the eastern US had experienced for years apparently. Maximum day temperatures actually rose quite steeply Contrails that form Cirrus actually prevent heat from leaving the earth at night, and prevent it from reaching the surface during the day. With no aircraft contributing to this, the weather completetly changed.

Woops Oz you made a mistake. You just stated weather manipulation is possible and your handlers are not going to like it one bit. Do not go on anymore chemtrail threads because IIII shall follow.

Everytime I bring up "Operation Cloverleaf",
I can hear the collective groan of our masters.

"Operation Cloverleaf" is google-able too!
Or it use to be anyway.......

"Operation Cloverleaf"

Edit to make "Operation Cloverleaf" bold!

[edit on 20-10-2009 by dodadoom]

Yep.. More planes with anomalies !



There are clips on YT with 2 engine planes leaving 4 trails, now that is neat ! I'm trying to find some clips !!

[edit on 20/10/2009 by ChemBreather]

reply to post by ChemBreather

The skeptics will just say he's just dumping fuel!
Ya, that's it! That makes sense!

Must be gonna crash soon, ya, I'll buy that!
Back to grazing!

Edit to say thanks for the vid!

[edit on 20-10-2009 by dodadoom]

Originally posted by dodadoom
reply to post by ChemBreather

 

The skeptics will just say he's just dumping fuel!
Ya, that's it! That makes sense!

Must be gonna crash soon, ya, I'll buy that!
Back to grazing!

Haha, sounds as smart as all the factories around the world are polluting the local area with Barium that blows all over state..

Close the Factories if they are polluting us with Barium..

Originally posted by exposethosesecrets

(B) Such terms include exotic weapons systems such as--

(i) electronic, psychotronic, or information weapons;

(ii) chemtrails;

(iii) high altitude ultra low frequency weapons systems;

(iv) plasma, electromagnetic, sonic, or ultrasonic weapons;

(v) laser weapons systems;

(vi) strategic, theater, tactical, or extraterrestrial weapons; and

(vii) chemical, biological, environmental, climate, or tectonic weapons.

hum? I am not a native speaker so maybe I miss something. someone can explain me?

I guess that also means they have psychotronic, plasma, extraterrestrial, and tectonic weapons also.

reply to post by Ray Amuro


I was just about to post a question about that when I saw your post.

"(vi) strategic, theater, tactical, or extraterrestrial weapons; and... "

That suggests to me that the USAF acknowledge the existence of ET weapons?

Did I mis-interpret that part?

G

reply to post by C0bzz


As a matter of FACT they do. Quit being a smart ass.
Extraterrestrial means off planet.
Pyschotronic is brain or mind affecting weapons. e.g. low frequency terror weapon.
Tectonic I have no proof.
Plasma I have no proof.

When did the public first see the F-117? It was the first gulf war. Guess when they were operational? 1975.


reply to post by Gordi The Drummer
Extra terrestrial means off planet.


Will add more to this post with edit.

[edit on 10/20/2009 by endisnighe]

[edit on 10/20/2009 by endisnighe]

As a matter of FACT they do. Quit being a smart ass.
Extraterrestrial means off planet.

Whatever you say, but don't expect me to believe it. Usually space based weapons is used instead of "extra terrestrial". That would probably mean Alien. What I'm trying to say is, yes it might warrant further investigation - however, in my opinion, it is not direct proof of chemtrails. If it is direct proof of chemtrails - then I guess it's also proof of tectonic weaponry - which is pretty much absurd.

When did the public first see the F-117? It was the first gulf war. Guess when they were operational? 1975.

Late 1983 actually; that was IOC not FOC also. It was publicized much during the first gulf war, but was actually revealed before it.


[edit on 20/10/2009 by C0bzz]

reply to post by C0bzz

Look at the list; strategic, theater, tactical, or extraterrestrial weapons-these are places or locations. If you do not understand English I will understand. If your primary language is English, I guess you went to public school.


And I would love for you to show me a paper with the 1983 date. Would love it. I was in an Aviation University 85-88 and I knew every aircraft not classified. For your information that plane was classified top secret. First aircraft to defeat radar and it was released to the public prior to its use in combat. You have got to be fracking joking.

[edit on 10/20/2009 by endisnighe]

[edit on 10/20/2009 by endisnighe]

Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by C0bzz

 

Look at the list; strategic, theater, tactical, or extraterrestrial weapons-these are places or locations. If you do not understand English I will understand. If your primary language is English, I guess you went to public school.

That was very quick of you to turn to personal insults. Any more?

ET usually means Alien. In the military typically Space is used instead of ET. If I am wrong please correct me. In any case, exclude the ET term and tectonic and plasma are still there; the point still stands. And if you want to talk about this terminology, then maybe CHEMtrails means chemical trails, which is exactly what normal contrails made mostly out of H2O are. H2O is a chemical.

See I can play this game if you want.

[edit on 20/10/2009 by C0bzz]

It's amazing how lack of knowledge leads to conspiracy theories. This is why so many people consider us nuts. A persistant contrail is a normal behaviour. Such contrails may stay as a cirrus cloud for the whole day.

And yes, clouds form during the night time too

And the checkerboard/grid the contrails make? Do you think an airplane can fly however the pilot likes, as long as he reaches the destination? Well, let me tell you: no. It's simple as that - easier to control and track the flights so the are no collisions.

This thread has so many pages now, I can't seem to find if the OP found the book with "Chemtrails" in its title. What's the progress on that?