Top Iranian commanders assassinated

Originally posted by deccal

Originally posted by minkey53
Forgot to mention.

Whilst the Iranians are running around like idiots because their top commanders have been killed, NOW might be an ideal time to hit them, i.e tonight!

Somebody said about cutting the head off the chicken, maybe that was it?

how old are you?

While I don't agree with his statement either... I do think if Iran were to be attacked by the US, or Israel, or anyone else for that matter (Europe)... it would be a preemptive strike, and it would most definately be without warning to the American Public.

There wouldn't be the same warning Saddam & Iraq got...

No, we would have to attack Iran without warning, otherwise we would lose a strong advantage by giving them time to arm whatever weapons they have.



And that's what I think could happen sometime in the near future... You'll wake up like it's a regular day, turn on your TV to CNN, and find out the terrible news that Iran has been attacked by Europe, Israel, and the US.


(I said it could happen... I didn't say it will happen)

Israel is a lovely country and it's people are friendly and generally peaceful, the proper Jews anyway!

How long would it take for a missile fired from Iran to reach Israel as a nuke or chemical weapon. Shall we say as a guess about 10 minutes, maybe less!

Think about that. 10 minutes from launch giving you less than 5 minutes to react or hide / bug out etc.

That's nothing, you will not escape unless you're high in the Government and have to live in or near an unground base / shelter.

Would you want to live like that with the constant fear or what they might do at any time?

Iran have said that they don't want Israel to be there, ie. Wiped Out. They repeatedly threaten them, supply Israel's enemies with weapons and stall on talks together with ignore UN Sanctions.

That's no way to live and I am not surprised Israel have simply had enough.

Sooner or later, Iran will be shutup somehow and it looks like that by the day, will be some sort of military action.

Originally posted by dooper
reply to post by Amagnon

 

Amagnon, Hojat, or whatever, your grasp of history is mighty loose, kinda like you still have lube on your hand or something.

The US won all its battles in Vietnam, and 'Nam didn't fall until three years after all combat forces were returned home. So much for the value of your Mongolian "Special Ed" education. Bet you're good at finger-painting though. And horse-hair weaving.

So running away is now victory is it? I can conclude then, that all your claims of victory on the field are measured in the same way. He who runs first wins.

So Mongolian Special Ed, finger painting and horsehair weaving. These classes you flunked I take it.

I think if you'll review the battles, it wasn't the Americans doing the running. It was those Muslim Holy Warrior cowards who hide behind women and children. Brave, Islamic warriors. I just know they make their momma's proud.

Anothe mistake of yours on Vietnam. The only invasions occurred in 1972 and in 1975, both by the North Vietnamese. With only 1,500 ground troops during the 1972 invasion, Americans killed 100,000 North Vietnamese. Not bad.

Yeah - hiding behind their women and children, in their own houses no less. Complete cowards, how dare they sit or sleep in their house with their families. The luxury of leaving your family in a safe place isn't available to people defending their homes from invaders.

So, those battles by the invading Vietnamese - which US states were they in when they were stopped in their invasion?

No matter what stupidity comes out of your own mouth - you actually seem to believe it. People can't invade their own country.

My grasp of history is fine, so is my grasp of the English language - the only thing you seem able to grasp is your own member.

You brought up Iraq. Iraq in violation of the UN edicts, kept firing at patrolling US planes. I know these are your heros, with all the murder, rape, and pillaging, but UN violation facts are facts.

Your charge of killing kids in "every country" with high tech weapons is a bit of a stretch, even for a pathological liar. You must keep in mind that these high tech weapons cost high dollars, and we're not going to waste them on kids.

The number of children killed in Iraq is in the hundreds of thousands - Afghanistan - children are killed regularly. The US is attacking people in their homes - you seem surprised to find dead women and children after bombing homes, perhaps expecting poor farmers to be hiding fighter jets in their living rooms.

You can say what you like - but the data is there. You cannot justify the actions of your sick government - but still you try.

Certain parents - to be sure, but only when these guerillas gather at a home, and then it's "bye, bye!" It gets back to hiding behind women and kids. You and your buddies run into a house, and the house and everyone in it is going to become part of the world's weather system. Guerillas, wives, children, dogs, goats, whatever.

They have this term that's used to describe unintentional deaths due to the conduct of war. It's only been around a few decades, so it will be a new word for you. It's the term, "collateral damage."

Yep, a real word with a real meaning.

It pretty much addresses those chikenschitts who would hide behind women and children. Those heros of yours.

The luxury of leaving your family safe from harm in their home thousands of miles away, is a luxury only a foreign invader enjoys. For those fighting for their homes, then the protection of their family means keeping them close, keeping them fed and clothed under the most adverse of conditions.

The meaning of the word collateral damage seems to be known, but its reality largely ignored. You cannot kill entire families and expect to be seen as better than the Nazi's.

That kind of aggressive war is sick - the justification is what? You don't even know WHY you are fighting in Afghanistan. To 'free' the country? Its purely about occupation for political purpose - you are not making anything better - you are destroying lives.

Your lack of empathy, racism and intolerance just comes out as a spew of hate against the entire rest of the world. You know nothing but hate - you desire killing - and find some glory in blasting women and children to pieces in their homes or villages.

You aren't the only one who wanted to see me dead. The difference is they others were armed and trying. They just weren't up to it. Likely, you wouldn't either.

Well - despite all your insinuations about goats, and horse hair weaving etc etc - I am a retired Australian engineer.

Both the US and Australia are controlled by the NWO - the wars are their agenda, and they use propaganda to gain support for them. The most stupid element of society is completely fooled - in which class you sit at the bottom.

If you reflect America - then you should expect no help - no matter how dire your situation becomes.

I have no reservation in killing, if it is just. The difference is - you kill who you are told, I determine my enemy - and I only take orders from myself.

reply to post by JayinAR


Jay, I was born in Arkansas, and I know things in the agricultural areas are a bit laid back.

Khe Sanh was not lost.

Hundreds of cities during Tet - were not lost. By the end of the Tet Offensive of 1968, the Viet Cong were in essence - wiped out.

Did they make early gains? Yes. Read a bit about Hue. They rounded up civilians by the thousands and killed them before Hue was taken by U.S. Marines.

Get a bit of history. Study. Learn.

Don't just pick up a snippet here and there and repeat it. It misrepresents the facts, and misleads others who may similarly be unlettered.

reply to post by Amagnon

Hey! Dummy! Australian troops were in Vietnam too! Did they "run away" with their tails between THEIR legs?

So was South Korea - and I can tell you - they never ran from anybody. Since they didn't follow the same rules of engagement, and used rather effective interrogation techniques, the NVA were terrified of the ROKS.

Let me point this FACT out again. American combat forces, all 1,500 of them, left Vietnam in June and July of 1972 - right after slaughtering 100,000 invading North Vietnamese.

We left in 1972.

South Vietnam fell in 1975.

Can you do A-R-I-T-H-M-E-T-I-C? You know, basic calculations?

If you'll fly over Afghanistan, you'll see plenty of houses standing.

The ones that were dusted were those where combatants ran into and took shelter in, and were usually returning fire.

Wishing for a perfect world, old man, doesn't work.

The number of children killed BY AMERICANS is not in the hundreds of thousands. The military attack on Iraq by American and British forces was over in weeks, and the casualties of civilians was particularly light.

In fact, Iraqi military casualties was light, as many shucked their uniforms and blended with the population.

Most Iraqi's are and were killed by other Iraqi's.

You see, they have this religious civil war that's been going on since Muhammed died. The civil war is what's killing folks. Saddam knew how to keep the violence down - by slaughter. Hey, it worked!

Suddenly freed of the heavy hand of Saddam, the Iraqi's decided to settle some old scores. And did they ever.

But don't let any facts get in your way. You certainly haven't so far.

One would think that an engineer would be capable of critical thinking. Analysis. Fact finding.

Based on your working knowledge of the subject, your approach to the research, and your really crappy attitude, as an engineer, you must have been a suppository designer.

That would certainly explain your attitude AND your view.

No soldier finds glory in "blasting" women and children. To suggest so is to be one dishonest, lying, twisted, bitter old man.

Yeah. Let's just blame everything on this nebulous, integrated, vaporous, loosely connected, and yet incapable NWO.

The final sanctuary of ignorance.

A couple of weeks ago, Iran's only AWACS was destroyed at an air show.
Now some of the top Republican guards have been killed.

Either its a notable countdown event (for a strike) or some anti-Iranian Government is having their wishes divinely fulfilled

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by GovtFlu

((snip))

Now, what Iran has to do is firm up just exactly WHO it views as the "sponsors" of this, and bring smoke on 'em. Right now, they're all over the map with blame, and if they attack ALL their alleged sponsors, without any evidence I might add, they will find themselves in the same predicament as the US, too much war, too many fronts.

Do you reckon they can afford to be as spread out as the US? Ain't strategy a thing of beauty?



[edit on 2009/10/19 by nenothtu]

Uh, yea.. I was pointing out how Iran could easily justify attacking who they determine are responsible for this heinous criminal act of terrorism. The only problem with Iran following US policy, it would likely necessitate attacking the US.

The US attacked Afghanistan and Iraq with no evidence, but lots of ...lol.. "intelligence", so called. Its only fair Iran can cite rock solid intelligence, retrieved fresh from where bush git his; a sphincter.. and serve the evil-do'ers a plate of dead er alive jihad justice.

Imagine if Iran had a commission of mullah insiders investigate and determine 11 Americans wielding box cutters carried out this attack before they vaporized.. despite vanishing the Iranians recovered all the yankees paper ID and DNA. People in the US would seize up laughing at such a dumb fixed process, and farcical conclusion.

Yea, yea.. bring em on, sure.. Irans military is no empire global force for good built with monopoly money that can strike US soil, but they have suicide bombers'n stuff. We want Iran respecting our authoritah and following our lead in this global struggle against terrorism and those who advise, train and support these cold hearted evil extremists from hell... right?

So I'm afraid, if an Iranian commission finds the US responsible and writes an intelligence insulting book, well.. that's evidence considered good enough for mass killings. We must support Iran retaliating against ourselves with force. Being hypocritical would be a moral victory for the Taliban and terrorists everywhere.

Originally posted by minkey53
Israel is a lovely country and it's people are friendly and generally peaceful, the proper Jews anyway!

How long would it take for a missile fired from Iran to reach Israel as a nuke or chemical weapon. Shall we say as a guess about 10 minutes, maybe less!

Think about that. 10 minutes from launch giving you less than 5 minutes to react or hide / bug out etc.

That's nothing, you will not escape unless you're high in the Government and have to live in or near an unground base / shelter.

Would you want to live like that with the constant fear or what they might do at any time?

Iran have said that they don't want Israel to be there, ie. Wiped Out. They repeatedly threaten them, supply Israel's enemies with weapons and stall on talks together with ignore UN Sanctions.

That's no way to live and I am not surprised Israel have simply had enough.

Sooner or later, Iran will be shutup somehow and it looks like that by the day, will be some sort of military action.

Why would Iran obliterate ancient holey land / buildings they have have considered sacred for 1000s of years?

Do those crafty Iranians have some fancy "jew-nuke" with radiation Palestinians can eat like candy?

Please tell me what Irans leaders have to gain by wiping the map clean of their Palestinian brothers & sisters and all their holey Muslim stuff? not to mention ensuring their own death..

Military action against Iran?, nah...I say 11 Americans armed with box cutters should be able to bankrupt Iran and put their govt in a tizzy.

reply to post by Amagnon


Just a warning lol it is pointless discussing an issue with dooper because he turns it in to a debate, you know those lead to no where especially if there is no mods controlling it.

Back on topic:

Iran can focus on harboring other countries against the US instead of giving it a reason to attack. If this incident was caused by internal affairs or by the Western enemies of Iran who support the Balochi terrorist group, it really doesn't matter because Iran is still making the right decisions.

A sheep giving the wolf a reason to eat it is not logical or rational, but the problem is the wolf can eat the sheep without any reasons. Human wolfs are even better, human wolfs create fake reasons to eat the sheep like Iraq.

An obvious preparation for the attack on Iran IMO. Of course the West is behind this, and of course we use whatever group is available to further the ends of globalism.

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reply to post by oozyism

No, oozy, you just learned the hard way that I'm not going to permit someone such as yourself to spout unsubstantiated baloney.

We get it. You don't like the US.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Always has been, always will be. Isn't it common to assist friends?

Someone provide me irrefutable proof that the US was behind this.

Anything else is speculation.

reply to post by nenothtu


Iran may have did this because thoses military personel were as we say a security threat to the Iranian goverment.They were involved in the early beginnings of a military coup and some one talked.They had to be killed before they could deploy the military coup on the current Iranian goverment.They were being backed by the cia.A cia backed military coup shot down in flames.

[edit on 23-10-2009 by GORGANTHIUM]

All part and parcel of the covert ops war Bush started. The story was broken by Sy Hersch. The USA, Israel, and even Saudi Arabia are in on it. You saw the orange revolution against the Iranians when the ignorant teenagers all broke out into the streets calling out for democracy. Fortunately, it was crushed. Of course, ATS is behind the times. That's what happens when a bunch of shills invade.

[edit on 23-10-2009 by Archon_Adept]

Originally posted by TSawyer
Who knows? It could have been planned by the US and Israel, using Palestinian rebels as the body. Is this notion absurd to you? If so, under what rock have you been living?


Americans should be familiar with false flags and the likes, and you should check out the Mossad motto...

OR


The Iranian Government themselves are doing a false flag operation.


OR


The Iranian people are simply tired of their Government.


OR...

reply to post by nenothtu


And who reports that "local terrorists" admitted responsibility?

The 5 or so MSM corporations that control what the world reads and hears.
And for these corporations, and the elite that run them the pen is "mightier than the sword" be in no doubt of that.

reply to post by mtok7



Iran hangs a member of Sunni rebel group - report

TEHRAN, Nov 3 (Reuters) - Iran said on Tuesday it had executed a convicted member of the Jundollah Sunni rebel group, the semi-official Fars news agency quoted a senior police official as saying.

"Abdolhamid Rigi, who is not the brother of Jundollah's leader, was hanged inside a prison in the southeastern city of Zahedan on Monday," said Gholamali Nekoui, Fars reported. (Tehran newsroom +98 21 8820 8770)

[edit on 3-11-2009 by SLAYER69]

It was probably a suicide bomber training mission and one of the trainees grabbed the wrong vest. To quote Jeff Dunham's Achmed "New guy, tried to practice".