To all the Flat-Earthers.

Look, I may not know much about the Earth and what would cause you guys to believe in a flat earth, but since I know a lot about how the weather works, I will prove why the earth is indeed round, and not flat.

1. While we are in the summer here in the northern hemisphere, getting 90-120*F temperatures, the lower southern hemisphere is getting snow and is extremely cold.

2. The suns angle of attack becomes less the farther north you go. This is why on the exact same day, Charlotte, NC experiences a low of 43F, Washington DC goes down to 34F, and Augusta, ME sneaks its way down to 17F. I just dont see how that would be possible in a "Flat" Earth.

3. Also, one of the most important reasons why the earth is definitely round, is because of the temperatures in the west coast of the U.S. As you can see, the temperature of the west coast is completely controlled by the Pacific Ocean. This is because the earth spins to the east, the oceans temperature also follows the same route, and the mild temperature it has which is normally in the 50-60s diminishes the further east it goes. This is why in the winter, San Francisco still basically jumps between a 40-50 Low, and in the summer, jumps between 50-60. Its because the earths rotation causes the temperatures of the Pacific to affect the west coast. In the winter, on the same day, San Francisco which has a Latitude of 37 degrees, will drop down to 43F, just a 100 miles east in Merced, CA, which is also at Latitude 37, the temperature drops to 30F, and 1400 miles away in Wichita KS, which is also on the 37 Latitude line, the temperature is 21F, and further east to Virgina Beach, the temperature is 17F. The effect of the Pacific Ocean diminishes as it travels east, just like a Hurricanes power dieing as it travels inland. This example is a bit extreme, because on some days, the east coast can be far warmer than the west, but it is usually normal. Not to mention, the city Merced probably will go down to 28F maximum low on average every year, because of its 80 mile proximity to the pacific, but Wichita KS, which is in the middle of the U.S. far from the Pacific, the lowest temperature on average each year goes down 0F.

So yeah, if you are arguing with Flat Earthers, feel free to use my arguments, because no one really thinks about these types of arguments, people always tend to use the horizon arguments and what not. So yeah, this is why the earth is a sphere, not flat, and the universe is huge and the sun is huge too. I'd much rather believe in a huge universe than believe we are in a dome and the moon is only 32 miles in diameter, and that the stars are nothing but holes leading into nowhere.

I mean this pathetic theory makes the conspiracy theories regarding human colonies on mars alot easier to believe. Not to mention anyone can use a telescope and see the moons roundness

Also, we have this video

www.youtube.com...

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[edit on 18-10-2009 by LegitPiMPz]

You haven't actually proved a thing. For example, the summer/winter inversion could eaily be explained a the sun hanging around longer on one side of the (flat) earth than the other. As the seasons shift, the sun gradually moves to favor the other side, then back again.

All the videos, photographic evidence, etc., in the world could be faked. We have all seen Yoda, Chewbacca, and Jubba. Most of us realize that they don't really exist.

All the personal testimonials of people who have seen the curvature? Part of the "conspiracy".

No, of course I don't believe that the earth is flat. However, most people could not convincingly prove that the earth is round. They don't have the scientific or geometric knowledge to do it. They take it on faith. Since it's based on faith, it could be wrong...

there are people who believe the earth is flat?


who are these people?

if you are arguing with Flat Earthers

Out of curiosity, how often do you expect that to happen? So far as I know I've never met anyone who believed the earth was flat. Preparing arguments to use on the offchance we should happen to meet one someday seems...pointless?

I started it thread about what makes people believe the world is round. Obviouslu we all know the world is round, but it hasn't always been the case, some people were locked up as mad for suggesting such a thing. My thread was to look at how we come to scientific truth's over fanciful myths like creationism.

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I believe a good number of them could be found in the 'US Political Madness' forum.

But seriously. It is interesting that a persuasive arguement can be made for just about anything.


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No one thinks the Earth is flat, no one who has any sense.

Why the need for the thread?

well aparently there have to be some otherwise there would be no need for this thread

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No one thinks the Earth is flat

Well, if you'd like, I'll argue their case just for the sake of argument.

I mean...if we're honest with ourselves, probably the vast majority of us who believe that the earth is spherical only have that belief because we've been told to believe it. Same holds true for a lot of commonly held beliefs. Why do you believe in dinosaurs? Have you ever seen one? Have you ever seen a fossil? How do you know they're not made up?

I'm all for questioning firmly held beliefs. People who believe the earth is a sphere solely because they've been told that it is really aren't any different from people who believe in virgins for blowing up infidels. You may laugh...but do you really have any more evidence that the earth is round than you have evidence that you'll be given virgins for blowing yourself up?

Probably not.

Personally, I sometimes find the question of why we believe the things we do to be far more interesting than the beliefs themselves.


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Lets see - nothing else has convinced these people, movies, education, NASA, everything - but your one post is going to change all that

Heh - g'luck!

Originally posted by TheOneElectric
No one thinks the Earth is flat, no one who has any sense.

Why the need for the thread?

There have been like 40 page threads about the flat earth in the past, Im just adding my arguments to the idea.

And I dont believe that dinosaurs are that old, but I do believe dinosaurs do exist.

One thing about conspiracy theorists is that they dont necessarily believe everything they see, but they do believe the common things that are known.

However, some people are just crazy, deluded, and paranoid, they literally believe that every single thing that exist and that we are told is a hoax.

Next thing you know, they tell us water is hoax, food is hoax, diseases are all man made, humans have super powers but the government suppressed it, all kinds of s***.

You cant just run around trying to tell everyone of a conspiracy as grand as this.

Have you seen the hubble pictures, there are thousands of them, and they are all magnificent and just amazing looking, there is no way they would fake this stuff. And why would they anyway? Why make believe the earth is round, and the universe is vast?

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I do believe dinosaurs do exist.

Why?

Have you ever seen one?
Have you ever touched one?
Have you ever even seen a photograph of one? Or just drawings?
Have you ever even met any witness who claimed to have seen a dinosaurs?

Do you have any direct experience with dinosaurs of any kind? No? You only know of them because of books and stories and popular culture? So...your belief in dinosaurs is really just faith, isn't it?

Why do you believe in dinosaurs?

reply to post by LordBucket

Um, technically we still have dinosaurs. Kinda.

Sharks are an amazing fish that have been around long before dinosaurs existed.

www.uoregon.edu...
Just sayin' its all in the perspective......

It's pretty obvious without going into orbit that the Earth is spherical:

1. You don't fall off the edges, and boats travel round it.

2. A horizon is visible on clear days!

3. Clouds and planes move over this horizon.

Did people think clouds fell off the edges or down to the earth in ancient times? What about boats going over the horizon?

People really haven't changed much when it comes to denying the blatent obvious, as people are still ignorant of many things which are similarly obvious.

Rather than argue with a flat-earther I would instead laugh and mock them.

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The ancient Greek mathematician Eratosthenes (276 BC– 195 BC) theorised the world was round and got pretty close to the correct distance around the equator. (I think its less than a 1% margin of error)

If despite his calculation from over 2000 years didnt prove anything to them, well more fool them!

(Not actually heard of anything from the Flat Earth society for many years - but here's a link to their site)
The Flat Earth Society

I was trying to prove something by meteorology, you guys turned it into something else.

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The ancient Greek mathematician Eratosthenes (276 BC– 195 BC) theorised the world was round and got pretty close to the correct distance around the equator.

If despite his calculation from over 2000 years didnt prove anything to them, well more fool them!

Ok, but have you ever performed those calculations? How is reading in a book that some dead guy allegedly proved something by some method you can't personally reproduce any different than simply reading that something is supposedly true?

Many of the things we believe, we simply take on faith. The world might be round, dinosaurs may have existed, but the mechanism by which we come to believe these things is not rational thought or personal observation.

We simply believe these things because we've been told they're true.

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1. You don't fall off the edges, and boats travel round it.

How do you know this? Have you ever done it? No? You've only read or heard about it being done? How is that any different than reading or hearing about the Loch Ness monster?

2. A horizon is visible on clear days!

This would be true even if the world were flat.

3. Clouds and planes move over this horizon.

This could also still be true if the world were flat.

People really haven't changed much when it comes to denying the blatent obvious,
as people are still ignorant of many things which are similarly obvious.

These things are only blatantly obvious to you because you already believe them. No, I'm not claiming that the earth is flat. But I am stating that you've given no objective reason to believe otherwise.

It's pretty obvious without going into orbit that the Earth is spherical:

Yes. So obvious that people apparently believed otherwise for thousands of years. It's only obvious now because you've been told the earth is a sphere all your life. If you had been told it was flat all your life, it would not be so obvious.

Really? People actually believe the Earth is flat?
How does that thought make through the Common Sense Section of the brain?

Hmm..well...people voted for Bush a second time, doesn't surprise me.

"boink"

You shoulda had a V8!

Originally posted by Alexander the Great
Really? People actually believe the Earth is flat?
How does that thought make through the Common Sense Section of the brain?

Hmm..well...people voted for Bush a second time, doesn't surprise me.

"boink"

You shoulda had a V8!

Dimebag RIP! \m/

People who voted for bush did no wrong doing. Don't blame them, blame the man himself!

(The rest of this post is not directed towards you, I'm just quoting you for your awesome avatar!)

I've found that the only real way too actually prove that the earth is flat is to go out to space and look. Maybe you should build yourself and spaceship and look!

ALSO you can OBVIOUSLY tell our earth is Spherical, The further clouds are away from you the lower they are. Flat earth could not cause this effect.

Actually believing that EVERY. SINGLE. IMAGE/VIDEO/ETC is faked is absolutely preposterous. The amount of effort to actually do that, and keep every who's been to space, everything that's in space silenced/cloaked is an absolutely staggering, and impossible in my opinion.

If the earth was flat, would it just end abruptly at either end? Or would it just stretch on for eternity?

This argument is invalid.