New Age "One" Belief = Spiritual Borg?

reply to post by YouAreDreaming


You see. I am not so sure I agree with you there. But I can live with that.

reply to post by wylee


I am inclined to believe we have free will. Most the arguments I have heard against it have amounted to "you only have so many choices so it's not free will", which to me seems rather silly to say that free will doesn't exist simply because the choices are limited. And even then you can respond in "unusual" ways.

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Interesting information. Thanks for including it.

And I particularly liked this part of it.

The Nature of a Supreme Being

BEFORE BIDDING YOU adieu, there is one last subject for me to touch on. It is a topic which has been lurking in the background of this entire book, but one which I have successfully avoided thus far. It is the subject of a Supreme Being. Does a Supreme Being of some kind exist? If it does, what is its relationship to life on Earth and to the things we have discussed in this book? I will try to tackle these questions, but be forewarned that this chapter is the most speculative and philosophical in the book. My discussion will be a simplified one and it is not intended to be definitive; I advise the reader to consult other sources for more information. If this is not to your liking, then please feel free to proceed to the next, and final, chapter.

It is unfortunate that the term “scientific method ” has become almost synonymous with materialism. The two should not be equated.

The scientific method is simply an attempt to understand and explore an area of knowledge in an intelligent and pragmatic fashion. It strives to find cause-and-effect relationships and to develop consistent axioms and techniques that will lead to predictable results. This is the type of methodology which needs to be, and can be, applied to the realm of the spirit, but it has not been done to any large degree. The great universities and foundations are too busy with their “man is brain” studies to do more than superficial studies into the mounting evidence of spiritual existence. The major religions already have their “word of God ” writings and so they rarely undertake scientific studies into this area either.

Some people deny the existence of a Supreme Being altogether. It is difficult to blame them considering the level to which spiritual knowledge has deteriorated. However, the overwhelming evidence of individual spiritual existence and the many characteristics which all spiritual beings seem to share in common would suggest that a “Supreme Being” of some kind probably exists as a common source of all spiritual existence.

If a Supreme Being exists, it is likely that most people would not recognize it if they encountered it. Many individuals expect a Supreme Being to be a giant man in a flowing beard who rants, raves, and kills people. Others think that a Supreme Being is a bright light that exudes love and warmth. Still others perceive it as some completely unfathomable mystery that no one can ever hope to comprehend except through strained mystical contortions.

A Supreme Being is probably none of those things.

While researching this book, I encountered many ideas of what a Supreme Being might be. Perhaps the best way to tackle the issue is to first try to determine what an individual spiritual being is.

A spiritual being appears to be something that is not a part of the physical universe, and yet it possesses both external awareness and self-awareness. The Samkhya definitions on pages 103 and 104 of this book appear to be fairly accurate, and I refer the reader to those pages. The mounting scientific evidence of spiritual immortality in near-death episodes and in documented past-life memories indicates that spiritual beings are best defined as timeless and indestructible units of awareness.1

Every spiritual being, or unit of awareness, seems to be completely unique and independent. Each appears to possess its own distinct viewpoint which cannot be entirely duplicated by any other unit of awareness. This uniqueness and individuality of viewpoint appear to be the very essence and purpose of spiritual existence. We may see some evidence of this in the fact that when individuals are crushed into a sameness, they become unhappier and worse off; their perceptions deteriorate and they are less creative.

When true uniqueness and individuality are restored to people, they regain their vitality and creativity.

It appears that every unit of awareness is capable of infinite creation because creation by a spiritual being is accomplished by the act of thought or imagination.*

* The words “thought” and “imagination” are probably not the best to describe the actual process, but they are adequate for our purposes.

If you imagine that there is a white cat on top of this book, you have created a white cat, even if it only exists for you. Such creations, when shared and agreed to by others, eventually give rise to universes that can be shared and experienced by all others. This seems to be how spiritual beings create universes of their own and in cooperation with others, and why there exists evidence in modern physics that our universe appears to be ultimately based on thought.

For any universe or reality to exist, an infinity must first exist in which a universe or reality may be placed. All reality, including this material universe, arise out of infinity and not vice versa; this has been demonstrated by some remarkable mathematics being done at various universities. Every unit of awareness is the source of its own infinity because thought and imagination have no bounds; any amount of space, time or matter may be imagined by any spiritual being and ultimately agreed to and shared by other spiritual beings.

Where did all of these countless units of awareness come from? Did there exist at one time only a single unit of awareness from which all others originated? The many similarities between all spiritual beings make it appear so. That original unit of awareness would be what is normally called a Supreme Being, which we might also call the Primary Being.

It appears that individual spiritual beings are actually the units of awareness of a Primary, or Supreme, Being, yet each unit is possessed of its own self-awareness, personality, freewill, independent thought, and infinite creativity.

This would mean that a Supreme Being had created, or had given “birth” to, an uncountable number of unique and individual units of awareness through which that Supreme Being could experience the uncountable infinities, universes, and realities which all of those spiritual beings could freely and independently create. A Supreme Being might therefore be very crudely likened to a person sitting in a television control booth who puts out trillions of video cameras. Each camera (spiritual being) feeds a picture into its own individual monitor screen in the control booth to be viewed by the operator (Supreme Being). Each camera is situated a little differently and so each has a different viewpoint and perspective. Each camera is also capable of creating its own ”special effects” (universes).

If the above theory is accurate, we might ask: how could a Supreme Being have been so foolish? Why would it create awareness units that were self-aware? After all, it is the quality of self-awareness, or the awareness of being aware, that allows spiritual beings to be completely independent and to engage in the silliness which has caused them to suffer the sorry plight that they now appear to be enduring on Earth and probably elsewhere. Why did a Supreme Being not simply throw out an enormous number of awareness units that were only externally aware and had no consciousness of their own existences? Better yet, why did a Supreme Being not do the sensible thing and simply retain its own single undivided viewpoint?

Self-awareness is apparently the quality which gives spiritual beings the capacity for thought and imagination, and hence to be a source of infinity and creation.

Without self-awareness, a spiritual being could not create on its own. Self-awareness appears to act as the “mirror” against which a spiritual being can be the source of an infinity, and within that infinity can create realities and universes.

Theoretically, of course, a Supreme Being was already capable of creating an infinity and of creating anything within it, hut only from its own single viewpoint. A Supreme Being could only be the source of one infinity: its own. If a Supreme Being wanted to experience another infinity, it had to first create another unique self-aware unit of awareness like itself. So it apparently did just that. But it did not satisfy itself with just one more unit of awareness: it appears to have put out an uncountable number of them so that it could enjoy an almost infinite number of infinities and realities. This suggests that the potential scope of a Supreme Being extends far beyond the boundaries of this one small universe—it encompasses trillions of potential infinities and universes.

“Aha!” you might interject. “By definition, only one infinity can exist. It is redundant for something already capable of infinite creation to expand itself. Infinity multiplied by uncountable trillions is still infinity.”
intricate creations.

Although the universe appears to operate on very simple building blocks (please As noted, infinity appears to be solely the product of viewpoint. Only units of awareness are capable of viewpoint. There therefore would exist as many infinities as there are units of awareness (spiritual beings). Infinity does not arise out of the mechanical universe or from any of its laws; rather, the mechanical universe and its laws all appear to arise out of infinity.
What went wrong? How did so many spiritual beings, each capable of infinite creation, wind up with a dull thud on Earth thinking that they are nothing more than meat and electricity?

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There are apparently many factors that caused this, including those discussed in this book. I will leave it to someone else to describe other, perhaps even more significant long-range, causes. I will only add that spiritual entities can become hopelessly caught up in the labyrinths of their own intricate creations. Although the universe appears to operate on very simple building blocks (please refer to the discussion on pages 104 and 105 of this book), once those blocks are put into place and other arbitraries are introduced, a universe can become extremely complex and solid-looking, like the universe we share now.



When that happens, spiritual beings may become fixated in those universes like cameras anchored in a dense rain forest; the cameras are unable to perceive beyond the foliage immediately in front of them. After staring at the foliage for a long enough time, the cameras may begin to believe that they, too, are nothing but foliage and they forget that they are cameras. Salvation would come by restoring to those cameras their true self-identities and by giving them the ability to come and go from the rain forest at will.


If we look at individual spiritual beings on Earth, we see that they are very small in relation to the universe. This is the situation that apparently occurs when spiritual beings become enmeshed in bodies or other physical objects. In that state, spiritual beings have lost their power to change perspective in relation to the physical universe. Perspective is apparently what determines the “size” of a spiritual being. Have you ever stood on top of a skyscraper and looked down? Your first reaction might be to think, “Gee, those people sure are small. They’re the size of ants!” Those people look so small, and really are so small, because of your change in perspective.



A spiritual being in an entrapped state can apparently change perspective in the same way in relation to the entire physical universe. The universe can appear no larger than a coffee cup, or an atom the size of a mountain. This is apparently how a spiritual being becomes “bigger” or “smaller.” Changing perspective in this fashion is not an act of mere thinking, however. It is a matter of actually shifting direct spiritual perception in as real and tangible a fashion as the person who hops an elevator to the top of a skyscraper. Spiritual beings on Earth are largely confined to the single perspective dictated by the physical bodies they animate. Mental perspectives can still change, but not the direct perspective of the spiritual entity in relation to the universe itself.


The foregoing discussion has some rather clear implications in regard to the rest of this book. The act of repressing a spiritual being, entrapping it in matter, or otherwise seeking to reduce its vision, creativity, or self-awareness as a spiritual being is the act of trying to reduce a Supreme Being. If one reduces a Supreme Being’s unit of awareness (i.e., a spiritual being)—even just one unit out of many trillions—one has still reduced a Supreme Being by that much. Since only other units of awareness can engage in such repression, it follows that a bizarre psychosis has arisen. It is as though extensions of the same ultimate body are trying to repress other extensions, e.g., the left hand is trying to reduce and trap the right hand. That appears to be one type of psychosis that can arise when beings possessed of free will become entrapped.


Some mystical religions teach that one’s ultimate spiritual aim should be to permanently “merge with” or “rejoin” a Supreme Being. This appears to be a false goal. If spiritual beings were created to act as unique and independent viewpoints, it would be contrary to the purpose of creation to permanently “merge” with other awareness units or with a Supreme Being. It may not even be possible to do so. The true goal of any salvation program should be to fully recover one’s unique spiritual self-awareness and perspective.

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Watch the borg agenda, this will answer every question you have currently.

Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by YouAreDreaming

 

You see. I am not so sure I agree with you there. But I can live with that.

Good, now get on with this dream that you are having that you mistake for your life and tell me all about it.

William Bramley is a Scientologist and as such as a paranoid view of the Supreme Being. The extraterrestrial Gods who merely posed as Supreme Beings have little to do with the ultimate and infinite source of-all.

reply to post by Skyfloating


Oh, I didn't know that. But either way his words make a certain amount of sense to me. But thank you for telling me where he was coming from.

Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
Oh, I didn't know that. But either way his words make a certain amount of sense to me. But thank you for telling me where he was coming from.

Its in the small-print in the book "Gods of Eden". The book-reference-list in the back cites L. Ron Hubbard as the source for the chapter "The Nature of a Supreme Being".

To give readers an interesting anectode on how Scientologists think: The divine, loving and radiant light people feel at NDEs (Near-Death-Experiences) Scientologists call "a conspiracy to lure the soul back into re-incarnaton / prison".

While highly appealing to conspiracy-theorists and science-ficiton-minded the mindset also breeds a distrust toward that which is authentically good and true.

Personally I agree with Bramley on the role of ancient extraterrestrials. But to then go on and say that authentic spiritual states are also a conspiracy is too much imo.

Sorry for rambling....


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In Bramleys chapter we see the same false dichotomy of "ones unique individual awareness" vs. "oneness".

But a puzzle-piece can be unique and still one with the whole. No contradiction - except for the mentally challenged.

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But if I remember correctly the idea that the light was to be avoided was around before Scientology's rise.

Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
But if I remember correctly the idea that the light was to be avoided was around before Scientology's rise.

Of Course. Everything and every stance has been around since thousands of years (if not millions, trillions, etc.).

I was just pointing it out because Bramley pretends to be speaking from a neutral viewpoint when he is in fact speaking from a scientologist one in that chapter.

reply to post by Skyfloating


The thing is, "oneness", as it sometimes taught, is only achievable by forsaking your individuality. Or as some would put it "death of the self".

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Well no one is completely wrong in my opinion. Or wrong at all. But it stops at their front yard so to speak.

Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
The thing is, "oneness", as it sometimes taught, is only achievable by forsaking your individuality. Or as some would put it "death of the self".

Yeah...and Im saying that "death of the self" is misinterpreted as "death of individuality".

But just because the puzzle-piece recognizes that it has access to and the power of the whole, that it is also the whole picture does not mean it looses the attributes of the single piece it thought it was. None of these attributes "die" or "are lost".

Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
Well no one is completely wrong in my opinion.

Or wrong at all. But it stops at their front yard so to speak.

I think your thread addresses an important point in that this misconception is shared by millions. And while these millions may not be "wrong", they are all speaking not from meditative experience but intellectual/dualistic interpretation of higher states.

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Well, within every "religious movement" I wouldn't doubt that there is a large percentage that doesn't really "get" the message but is more just going with the flow so to speak. Which just adds to the problem considering they are people that are fine with becoming little more than a Borg drone.

[edit on 18-10-2009 by Watcher-In-The-Shadows]

Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
Well, within every "religious movement" I wouldn't doubt that there is a large percentage that doesn't really "get" the message but is more just going with the flow so to speak. Which just adds to the problem considering they are people that are fine with becoming little more than a Borg drone.

Certainly cultism/religion produces Borg Drones. Plenty.

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Yes but with a certain amount of bastardization which I believe is applied by at least some. It becomes exactly like consciously choosing to be a drone.

[edit on 18-10-2009 by Watcher-In-The-Shadows]