Glorification was BEFORE the cross

why is it important ?
because this is one of the main point in misunderstanding
salvation and the message of jesus.



John 12:28.
"Be glorified! And again glorify!"


It did not take away your right to be glorified either,
the son is the son of man, from which jesus spoke...
not him as person, but our future when we choose salvation...
All his words after glorification were spoken of from the 'us' as god is one,
which he embodied but you also have the right to carry that seal once.

20. "In that day you will understand*, that I am in my Father and you,
you are in me and I in you.


17. "The Spirit of Truth*, (whom) the world* could not receive because
they could not see or know Him. But you know Him, for He lives among
you and through you is manifested.

John 13:
32. "And if God is glorified through him and also God glorifies him
then* as One they glorify him.

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I feel where you are comming from PASTTHECLOUDS AND must say you are obviously on the PATH OF LIGHT AHEAD AND THATS GREAT TO SEE friend, keep up the good work.

Hey, thanks for the post.

You must excuse my ignorance but can you explain..


"the son is the son of man, from which jesus spoke..."

From where is this stated?



"All his words after glorification were spoken of from the 'us' as god is one,
which he embodied but you also have the right to carry that seal once."

Are you referring a 'seal of glorification'?


"In that day you will understand*, that I am in my Father and you,
you are in me and I in you.

Does this refer to all beings and if so... those who may have been considered to do harm to others?




17. "The Spirit of Truth*, (whom) the world* could not receive because
they could not see or know Him. But you know Him, for He lives among
you and through you is manifested.


So you are basically saying that this being everything I do is an 'act of God' though I am not consciously aware of this?



John 13:
32. "And if God is glorified through him and also God glorifies him
then* as One they glorify him.


Then self glorification can occur if you glorify god? Love yourself and love God to become glorified?


Thanks.

The son of man is complicated, but in the original languages you can find the better texts to understand it...

it is in levels... first as all the prophets, later as every human that is saved..;

there is only one son, and humans are a part of it..

glorification means everyone can obtain it, once, after the full cross..

Jesus became glorified, it means he was not a person, but an 'eye' as the eyes in joshuas stone... god can play the 'theatre' he wants to play...

and yes, god controls the thoughts you think, but humans have a choice, to see (wchich is repenting = reflecting) or to ignore, which means rest, and no cross.

The way to god is one of logic...not one of visions.
Logic means seeing (repenting) and understanding (forgiveness)
It means you will be lost first and then make a u-turn,
but even when lost your heart will always tell you if you
do your best or not, your heart will make you care (seeing)
or you can go against it (ignorance)

God is found by you through you,
the son is truth that grows, and it heaven that grows inside of you,
heaven is the place where god is one, where life (his better name),
is one, where logig sees truth as only possibility to be as one,
as absolute and because of that, free.

honesty is our command, both in religion as in science,
honesty is what gives love to truth, which make you see truth,
before you see truth, you are blind, and it is not important yet
to fully understand truth or his other name god...what is important
is that because of honesty we can't know if visions are true, including the bible and jesus, but we can choose, choose to care and grow, or to ignore.

But if we grow logic, which is reflecting, which is repenting,
and we grow it into understanding, which is forgiveness,
we can follow our feelings that say the gospel of jesus,
or the quran, or the torah are true, because they all say
the same thing, our truth is one and alive, and because it is one,
when we judge (the devil is the accuser) , we judge the only thing
that is, the truth as absolute.

Truth is one, God is one.
Because he is one, he forgives himself and makes himself equal,
ignorance avoids making equal and avoids forgiving
and is choice as god to be not included in god.

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"Resist the devil, and he will flee from you"

Resist the lies, and he they will flee from you,
god is one in the scripture...so the devil is a lie.

Logic is what scares people.
But logic so full also scares people who say
they are the skeptical people of the world.

God is logic, in logic he can be found.
Logic only grows by making one,
seeing what is not true first.

It is love, because persons have to be seen
and understood (forgiven) before logic makes one.