Real racism or just the racism card?

reply to post by grover


I am Mixed, Cherokee (50%/and Irish 50%= 100% American.)

I have experinced it from everyone Cherokee because I looked to white, Whites, because I was to tan, Blacks because I was white. So I have got it on all sides, do I cry about it hell no, Does it bug me? Not even the slightest, but what you said about whites running and saying reverse rasicsm, and how its justifiable, anyone every teach you two wrongs dont make a right? Thats the kind of dumb, stupid mentality we are still facing today? Would it make you feel better if whites were slaves for 90 years ( roughly the time blacks were slaves when America was founded as a country) then whites could be discrimanted against for another 100 years? Will that make you feel better?

reply to post by grover


No really you are misinformed. of course there were some democrats who left to go to the Republican party, but as far as I know repubs don’t have KKK members in it, Repubs were not the party of slavery, Repubs were not the party of Jim Crow Laws, and now there the party entitlements and do what makes you feel good. While I am not a supporter of Repubs, I defiantly do not like Democrats.

reply to post by poedxsoldiervet

I did not say it was right just that it is understandable.

My late wife was Afro-euroasian and her Chinese relatives never accepted her so even though she looked more Chinese than black (except when she got her summer tan) she considered herself African American.

I do not condone or justify any form of bigotry but I do understand resenting it and those who practice it.

Sadly there is a fine line between resenting it and returning the favor.

All racism is wrong.

reply to post by poedxsoldiervet

Sloppy reasoning since both parties have totally shifted their positions on a wide variety of issues of the years.

reply to post by grover


Okay I understand what you’re saying, but I think it’s time to drop the labels, African, white , Hispanic, Asian, Native American, and any other stupid "race" people label themselves as. Were all American and its time we see that and act like it, the longer we continue to label ourselves with a (insert race)-American we are going to do keep going through the same thing....

Personnel Story 2000 Census, I almost was fined and thrown into Jail for not filling out the Census forms right, I didn’t put my "heritage" down or that of my wife and kids.... I simply stated we were Americans and that was it... They couldn’t believe it like it was a crime to not say my "heritage". Trust me I am very proud of my families past and were I came from, But I am more proud to be an American and this nations dark, yet bright past and future. I am very thankful my people walked across a land bridge to get her from Asia, and Proud they got on a boat to escape the horrors occurring during the potato famine. But nothing makes me prouder when I wake up in the morning, Kiss my American wife, take my American kids, to an American school, say my American flag waving on an American Morning... Nothing makes me prouder then this great Nation
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reply to post by poedxsoldiervet

I agree with you wholeheartedly.

I understand where the ____American came from though. When I was growing up a lot of people had lost contact with their heritages and it was an attempt to reconnect with them that spawned that spliced moniker. An example being my family...just a few generations removed from the motherland and they cannot tell you anything about where they came from...just England and Germany.

I used to tell my step kids to be proud of their heritage...they could trace their family back 400 years to the Dutch pirates that founded Georgetown Guyana...and not many people could do that today.

In 1980 when I filled out the census they asked my race and I wrote in...Human.

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Whites are not the only ones guilty of racism. They are just the only ones that get in trouble for it.

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Originally posted by j2000
I don't remember being called a racists in the Bush, Clinton, Bush, Regan years for fighting against big Govt.

And I wasn't called racist for voting for or against them either. But it was just implied (once again) that the reason I voted for Obama was his race. "To be a part of history" as if the history books are going to state "Benevolent Heretic voted for the first black president and made history! Yay for her!"

THAT is playing the race card! And they don't even know it. They aren't even aware. So, as far as they're concerned, I voted for Obama because he's black and so I'm the racist! That's projection, my friends!

To the OP: I think what you're seeing (and hearing) is mostly projection.

Projection, according to Carl Jung, occurs when a person sees in another qualities they themselves possess.

Listening to right and left wing shows is a good idea, IMO. It's good to keep a balance and know what's coming from where.

I voted for Obama because that was the choice I was given and I was not about to vote for McCain and the bimbo...and I will continue voting for one or the other of the two parties until we have a viable third party.

BUT Obama wasn't even my second choice in the primaries.

THAT choice had nothing to do with race...yet when I defend him from attacks by the rabid right and their idiotic excuses and non issues I have been called racist. ROTFLMAO!!!

AND I will continue defending him against smears from the right because I think such attacks are childish and immature...and that has nothing to do with race either...

AND should he lose my vote it will be for a real reason but still I will defend him from politics by morons.

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Racism is alive and well, only it has reversed. Please people...the past is the past.

reply to post by wouldu

There is no such thing as reverse racism...there are bigots in all races...but that is just individual bias...real racism is institutional in nature.

The claim of reverse racism is just a ploy used by some white men to explain the loss of their sense of entitlement...and to complain about how they are not always at the front of the line anymore.

Poor spoiled babies. Grow up and get over it...America is moving on and you are not.

I am about as white Anglo-Saxon protestant single low income male as you can get and I have never once...not once...ever...felt discriminated against because of my race or gender.

The whole claim is about as pathetic and self serving as you can get.


[edit on 16-10-2009 by grover]

Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
reply to post by grover

 

I am Mixed, Cherokee (50%/and Irish 50%= 100% American.)

I have experinced it from everyone Cherokee because I looked to white, Whites, because I was to tan, Blacks because I was white. So I have got it on all sides, do I cry about it hell no, Does it bug me? Not even the slightest, but what you said about whites running and saying reverse rasicsm, and how its justifiable, anyone every teach you two wrongs dont make a right? Thats the kind of dumb, stupid mentality we are still facing today? Would it make you feel better if whites were slaves for 90 years ( roughly the time blacks were slaves when America was founded as a country) then whites could be discrimanted against for another 100 years? Will that make you feel better?

Hey, you can claim a portion of the casino profits and get some government benefits with that Cherokee stuff.
Yeah, reverse racism is ridiculous.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
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To the OP: I think what you're seeing (and hearing) is mostly projection.

Projection, according to Carl Jung, occurs when a person sees in another qualities they themselves possess.

Listening to right and left wing shows is a good idea, IMO. It's good to keep a balance and know what's coming from where.

Can you please clarify? Who is doing the projecting, me or the people I am listening to?

I do listen to both right and left wing. But right-wing is all that's on the radio where I live so it's all I listen to in my car.

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reply to post by theyreadmymind


I would say the right is the one doing the projecting since they are the ones making all the noise about reverse racism.

I just don't get it. At all.
The USA is the melting pot. There's every color.
Why racism exists in the USA is absolutely amazing to me. It's ridiculous.

Only very few are from indigenous lines, so EVERYONE else should just get on with it.
If you are white - you are immigrants too given enough history.
Stop it. It's stupid, and not helping.

Originally posted by theyreadmymind
Can you please clarify? Who is doing the projecting, me or the people I am listening to?

Sorry for the confusion. I meant the people you're listening to. It doesn't matter if they're right or left-wing to me. They're both pushing the race issue because they're uncomfortable with it. They call each other racist and such when what they need to do is take a good look in the mirror.




[edit on 16-10-2009 by Benevolent Heretic]

It might have showed you something different, but all that little survey you did showed me, was that the Republicans pulled the race card 220,330 more times than the Democrats.

I'm not either one. They are both the same charade.

As Shakespeare wrote: the whole world is a stage and the Elites love nothing better than a little theather


This is not directed at you Op, but at the whole race card thing:

I think it's hilarious that people will keep on starting racial threads and making racial statements, day in and day out, on the radio, t.v. and every where else, and then whine all the way up to the upper echelons of their instution because people don't just be quiet and listen so they can take it all in and believe like the other worshipers.

We know what you wany us to do but we're not doing it.

If anyone doubts that racism is still a big big issue in America they need look no further than the following news story

Justice of the Peace denies marriage license to interracial couple

Whether this judge is racist or not may be open to debate, but even if he isn't, it was still an indicator that issues of race are far from being insignificant in our society.

I remember my grandfather - a large white man who thought nothing of using disparaging terms for African-Americans that would get me charged with a hate crime today. My father would never say such words....at least not in public. I don't believe African-Americans are shiftless or subhuman, but because of my southern redneck upbringing I admit I still feel a little uneasy if I see a group of young black men gathered on a street corner. I hope (and am doing everything in my power to ensure) that my children don't even comprehend that racial differences matter at all.

I am afraid that my kids will learn too much about race, though, because it is in the interest of certain groups on both ends of the political spectrum (e.g. Rush Limbaugh, Al Sharpton, G.O.P. politicians, and the ACLU) to keep the racial divisions firmly in place. There is no doubt that it is way past time for race as an issue in American society to come to a long overdue death, but it seems that some people just can't stop digging it up.

Yes racism does still exist, but no, it is not acceptable at all. I wish that was the end of the story.



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reply to post by JJay55


No I cant claim a portion of the Profits that are made on a reservation... Because I refuse to live on one. I still have family in NC i go visted but its sad and depressing and I refuse to live on one.