Remote viewers: have you seen past 2012?

reply to post by xEphon


Do you also know that Major Ed Dames was involved? That should give you a big
clue

Great subject, hopefully the thread get huge...starred and flagged

Well i still don't know if my abilities are any good, but have predicted small things about friends and family that have been correct. Child births and future tragedies. The predicitons that makes me think there will be something after 2012 are there.
My sister being pregnant around 26 wich would be in 2013 after June. And her wedding wich i think would even be later.
This doesn't tell much about the future of the world, but the pictures i see doesn't show much change at all.

But i feel we already are in some strange days and that there is something strange about the time these days. It seems like the future now is not set in any way.

One thing is for sure. The internet of today will not be in the future. The information will not be free.

The grid is i inevitable because the internet is overloaded. At least that is their claiming.
Wich is bs since many of the websites that exist doesnæt have any traffic or is dead. All we need is a good clean up.

[edit on 14-10-2009 by lost artistic]

reply to post by ugie1028


please share. I have a current thread discussing the outrageous amounts of hatred and name calling here. If u can't share your experience here on ATS, then what is the site even for? Do your best to ignore the flames.

reply to post by Jalis


This is a very interesting and important point you brought up. Yes, the info that comes through is subjective to the conscious mind. The way they get around that, to the greatest extent, is to have double blind tasking with a whole team of viewers. This was the MO of the military team. Let us all recognize that RV was and is a team effort. The viewers would write out the info they received. An analyst (also blind) would take all of the data and look for correlations. The info that all viewers see is what is used. Sometimes they pay more attention to a certain viewers results when they appear to be dead on during a particular session. This team methodology is what allows the accuracy of the information to be around 85%.

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check page one, on the bottom of the thread.

i gave my response, waiting on the flames!

reply to post by ugie1028


Aouch. As I said, I'm very careful with what comes with remote viewing and predictions, not because I'm a skeptic, just because of the lack of accuracy inherent to these activities, especially when it comes to dreams.
I usually believe that 2012 will be a "godd" event, is there is a 2012. The worst will be 2010 - 2011 !
And that land you saw, was it only a place or did you have the feeling the whole planet ended up this way ?

reply to post by Jalis


i was MILES above the earth when i saw this. it pretty much looked the same throughout.

for the accuracy of it? well im not saying im right, nor am i saying im wrong, just sharing the experience.

it was a pretty intense dream, and it was only maybe 5% of the whole picture, but that part of it was on topic here.

ive remote viewed my dads and best friends dads death. they both happened just like the dream, 24 hours apart, but a dejavu i had before my dad went down saved his life, and the realization of what was happening also saved my best friends dads life.

i don't take what i see seriously, but i do take notes on what i see, to see if there is any correlation between the dream and our current reality.

again, i shared more tidbits... where are the flames? i see them coming but don't know when!

reply to post by ugie1028


No flames, but I will say that in the true sense you were not remote viewing. Visions in trance state are just that. It does not mean they are not accurate, it's just not remote viewing. RV has strict protocols which is why accuracy is better that individual predictions.

I heard something similar to what you are describing. However, you have only seen half of the event.

There is going to be a great shift. In essence the Earth will move up a dimension. There will be two Earths, one in this dimension and one in the next. This shift, or graduation, will have a great negative impact on the present Earth including many Earth changes. This will be due to most of the energy leaving with the upshifting Earth. It is like a butterfly leaving behind a broken shell. When the alignment occurs a great amount of 'new' energy will be allowed to flow into the Earth like connecting the dots and plugging into a vast spiritual energy from the center of the universe. This will amplify the positive/negative polarity we are so familiar with today. The positive energies, and those who are aligned with it will be moving up to the 5th dimension and the negative vibrations will remain stagnant. Even today the magnetic field protecting the Earth from the energy of the universe and solar radiation is very faint and still dropping to allow this.

So, there are great things in store for the new Earth. The veil will be diminished.

Also be aware that when you are in trance or astral traveling the veil is absent. You can travel time, dimensions, and even parallel worlds/reality. What you see is not always THIS reality but another parallel reality. Discernment and recognition of this is key.

[edit on 14-10-2009 by Spirit Warrior 11:11]

This planet is in the same shape as it has always been. It fluctuates over time, global warming now, ice age maybe a thousand years from now. Not once in human history has the world been at peace, and if you honestly think that, name a time when there wasn't a "God" King trying to rule a vast majority of habitable terrain. Thee way I see it, this planet has been in a lot worse shape, people didn't have the technology to fight illnesses or diseases much less diagnose them. Life expectancy is now at an all time high, over the past two hundred years it has damn near doubled. We are gonna do what everything else on this planet does, fight for terrain, food, and life itself. If something does happen in our lifetime, or the generations to follow, then you can count it as sh!t happens; take the dinosaurs' mass extinction for example, sh!t happens. I'm surprised I haven't heard a theory about some elite government (space time warping) black ops wiping dinos out so we can live and prosper without mingling with them on a day to day life, or perhaps even aliens dropping an alien engineered weapon of mass destruction so they can continue with their agenda to aid and harvest a humanoid species on a habitable planet (Earth was one of many planets or something) without worrying about dinosaurs hunting and thinning our population due to over eating seeing as we are too slow to outrun much. Let me write a book with a bunch of gibberish riddles and I could almost guarantee people would decipher it like a book of prophecies a few hundred years from now, go ahead and let me take some mind altering drug to really seal the deal. Human's as a species love end of the world drama, I don't understand it. Sky ain't falling folks.

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exactly!

i was about to elaborate some more regarding that, but i wanted to stay on topic.

imagine 2 plates coming together, and then touching. imagine the ability to be able to cross over to this other plate.

if this were to happen, a wormhole or something like that, you'd be able to cross over into a higher dimension, which would leave the earth in ruins in this dimension.

if you understood what i said, ill explain a bit more, but im no expert on this.

i had these dreams/visions way before i knew about 2012 stories. these were back when i was a teen, and blind to the outside world.

Originally posted by ugie1028
reply to post by Jalis

 

ive remote viewed my dads and best friends dads death. they both happened just like the dream, 24 hours apart, but a dejavu i had before my dad went down saved his life, and the realization of what was happening also saved my best friends dads life.

This is EXACTLY what I meant. Free will makes any 100% accurate prediction impossible. It's because you predicted their death that it didn't happen. I think you see my point. The future is made of possibilities, some of them being more likely than others. And from what I see everyday, the possibility of your apocalyptic dream is not to be negliged. Until the nukes are over our heads, it's never too late to make things change.
Or maybe your dream was more like a symbol. Something meant to wake you up, either for the sake of your personnal life or for the sake of mankind. Dreams interpretation is such a hard subject...
Just understand that it's not my disbelief that makes me trying to contradict you, only my hope for a brighter tomorrow ! I assume you are no liar, just pointing out other possibilities about what you saw.
Anyway, when the flames come, you have my word I'll help defending you !


Subsidiary question : do you think zombies were involved in that post apocalyptic Earth ? Just in case...

Here is a real prediction for you, 2013 I see myself gaining around 30 pounds, gonna be single, some new type of game from the world of warcraft creators, gonna take the world by storm. you think people are mad at the government now, wait till 2013, they will be a little more mad, Obama is back for round two, he really stepped the game up. He is gonna make a few, I see 3 SNL appearances by the end of his second term, and if I'm wrong everyone owes me a chicken potato burrito from Taco Bueno, no sour cream or lettuce

[edit on 14-10-2009 by milkmustache]

Originally posted by Nichiren
reply to post by HighEye

 

You say "real remote viewing"? It is a bogus field with a lot of charlatans trying to sell you books and seminars.

I can take it seriously when a RV practitioner solves one (1) child abduction case.

From what I seen of remote viewing, they show things that, although are quite accurate, are not really helpful in location.
For instance...lets say you are trying to find little Tommy thats been missing...a remote viewer may see a tree, a small cave, hear some water, see a squirrel, feel his leg broken, and be feeling scared and alone...

Great, little tommy is lost in the woods taking shelter in a cave and either sharing it with a squirrel, or he has since eaten a squirrel...he also may have a injured leg.

that narrows it down to every forest in the world...not overly helpful.
now, later on, someone might stumble across little tommy, and he may indeed have been lost in the woods, in a cave, having squirrelburgers near a stream when found...and RVing may then be checked off perfectly, but the session didnt find the kid..come to find out it doesnt really work like google maps where you can zoom out and see addresses.

So, what your doing is putting conditions on something that may or may not be valid...like me saying I wont believe a GPS works until it tells me who is going to be at the destination I am going to first..

Originally posted by milkmustache
or perhaps even aliens dropping an alien engineered weapon of mass destruction so they can continue with their agenda to aid and harvest a humanoid species on a habitable planet

Shhh... That's a part of a sci-fi book I'm planning to write !


I understand your point, but the difference between then and now is that in the past, people did not have such things as nuclear or biological weapons. 1945 must be the greatest shift in mankind's history since the discovery of fire : it was the first time we could whipe ourselves off the face of the world. And also, we've never been 6 billions (7 in 2012 if things go "as planned", without major war or anything like that). Of courses, there have been many changes in the Earth's climate, but none has ever been as fast as the ones we may cause. Also, no massive extinction happened because of one single specie.

I also recommend you to read this :
www.ascentofhumanity.com...
It's a very interresting book about the evolution of mankind. And no "end of times" predictions.

reply to post by Jalis


LOL

omg wow zombies... YES!!! (inserts sarcasm here)

your right so far, regarding the stages of me waking up.

ive had these premonition dreams all my life, and i am a firm believer of string theory. all possibilities are held within the 5th dimension. the same electron is resonating on the 5th dimension. each one of us has this same electron flowing through timelessness, creating our reality as we travel through the 4th dimension. (time)

it was also a possible that i didn't realize my dreams importance, and my dad would of died, and same with my best friends dad. its the fact i took it seriously that changed the outcome.

ill leave you with a bit more of the story.

my dad had 2 ulcers in his stomach, he lost 2/3rds of his hemoglobin and his BP was next to none when the ambulance arrived.

my best friends dad died of a heart attack, i told my friend about the dream 3 weeks before this all happened. (in an email) i told him my dad was in the hosp, he watched over his pops. he didn't even mention my dad was in the hospital. i told him not to, because i didn't want to add stress to his father.

his father however had sharp pains in his chest, he thought it was indigestion. my friend wasn't taking any chances, and called an ambulance to take him in. on the way to the hospital his heart stopped 3 times!!!! (was in ICU for about a week)

its premonitions like these that make you feel maybe you can influence things, and be able to view the future, or remote view to a current location.... but at least to me since i was directly affected.

ALSO im glad you have my back, thanks

Originally posted by HighEye
This is a question for anyone who practices real remote viewing using the technique of seeing a future environment and gaining information about it through RV. I'm wondering whether anyone has successfully remote viewed to January 2013 on these boards?

The earth at the moment in space/time has reached the 4th density (4th dimension), and the earth in time/space will reach the 4th density (4th dimension) in 2012.

Anyone who vibrates congruently with the 4th density transformation will progress with it, anyone who does not will end up on a 3rd density replica of earth and repeat the whole 3rd cycle density again until it's over just as this one is coming to an end.

Though, the people who move on or repeat the cycle will have to walk the valley of death, its just how it is.

Originally posted by Psychonaughty
Though, the people who move on or repeat the cycle will have to walk the valley of death, its just how it is.

And from where comes this conclusion??

I haven't seen anything yet, but let me give it another shot real quick............all is dark,....wait....I see something, oh my gosh,....I don't know if this is a good thing or a bad thing,...........yeah, just as I thought.........................................Jesus has come and stuck his foot up everyones a$$ who was insubordinate and evil and mopped the floor with their blood and tears. The world is better after 2012.

No I havent what a great question!!!In my beliefs when it comes there will be no more worry(tough times yes) but all part of the ultimate plan.
But I must admit Budda has really sparked a curiosity in my soul