Let's Make Work Mandatory or you go to jail!

Originally posted by Nutter
reply to post by StinkyFeet

 

Sure thing Mr. 10 hours a day.

sorry if i'm mistaken but why is ten hours a day so hard to believe? I work ten hours a day doing construction up here in good ol' canada and i'ma slacker if i dont come in on saturdays.
Point is, ten hours per day is nothing to be impressed about, yet people think this is way outta line for stinky feet, which, imho, makes all the disbelievers look like chumps who don't know what it's like working that amount of time per day.

One thing i've learned it's not how many hours per day that determines your work ethic it's the success of the thing you are striving for.

I was raised on welfare, and i've seen it turn people lazy. I think a lot of people are missing the point here, too high on themselves to accept anything not delivered eloquently.

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
Thats 300 in one term. Also, some people work full time and still couldnt save 300 over 12 months. Should they be jailed as well?

I'd rather that than my daughters school. Last year they had to bring a huge selection of supplies on day one (including 3 dozen pencils). At the end of the year I asked for the extra stuff back (for this year) and was told it was all gone. I was suprised as it was about $250 worth of stuff including packs of paper. It seems the list they give you has way more stuff than needed. They put all the stuff brought in by all the kids in one grade into a box and dole it out as needed. Except that out of 8 kids, three had no supplies and all but two brought less than the listed amount. Which is why they need so much the school knows that certain parents send less and so they get others to subsidize the ones who have none.

I don't understand why I should subsidize these people. I pay school taxes, federal and provincial taxes etc. One of the moms who's kid is in with my daughter was in line ahead of me at the bank. In Alberta, welfare people get $234 per kid per month to help cover the cost of the kids. This is beyond basic welfare. She cashed a check for $2574 (thats 11 kids). She is younger than me and still having them. Knowing what I get taken away in deductions I am basicly subsidizing her. Me and my wife stopped at 4 kids because that was the most we could afford, why do I have to pay for her 11 kids? If you go on welfare you should have to start using birth control, or your beneifts should be capped at whatever # of kids you had at the point you started getting welfare.

reply to post by heyo


I believe you about 10 hours per day. I also work in Alberta (the patch) and I average 50+ hours a week, most of it in not very nice places.

If it is work or go to jail the smartest business decision for every employer is to reduce all salaries by 10%.

Then repeat.

When everyone is working for free - mission accomplished.

reply to post by exile1981



If i know the patch, and i do, a fifty hour work week is almost like time off.
Getting paid for overtime tho is something i'm envious of.
btw, they start investing when it's above 70/barrell.
We are a microcosm, the patch workers and the construction workers, yet we're all stuck at the bottom of the ladder no matter how many are involved.
Sometimes i wish my first name was Bankof.

Originally posted by StinkyFeet
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

Also, the real question is, are you okay with punishing children for the choices of their paretns? You are advocating letting the kids starve because mom and dad were lazy

Yes I am perfectly ok with it. Maybe if their kids start dropping dead from starvation maybe they willl get off their lazy asses and find a way to support them. The truth is even on Welfare a good portion of the kids don't get proper food, because their parents sell the food stamps for drugs or shinny rims.

Wow.. just wow.

I guess you don't know many people who give to charity, support the starving in third world countries or pretty much give a damn about anyone but themselves.

Hey, here's your solution - Right out of futurama. Now with these things, those slobs wasting your precious air can choose - Work, Prison or contribute to your continued joyous experience on planet hell by vacating it.

Originally posted by The Transhumanist
No there are no people on welfare who aren't actively looking for work because it's a requirement to be on welfare. The stereotype of the lazy bum on welfare is just that; a stereotype and one without any basis in reality.

These days I am sure that the majority are hard workers who just have no spot to fill right now....

I think he means the lazy druggy, drunk, neglegent parents, who go around messing up everyones lives and causing even 10 times MORE work for everyone else because they are disrespectful bums...

The majority these days probly aren't like that, they probly keep a clean home, look for work, voluteer or help others, but that group that dosen't, the ones who are just disrespectful scammers, I think those are who he means..

I also understand what is like to have depression or go through trauma and be "out of it" or "loose your mojo" for a while....that is different, it is not this blatant scamming and laughing at the rest of us....

I also believe in freedom too...

If we could all have our own land, plant our own gardens, build our own houses, and fend for ourselves, these ones would dissapear, or have to change pretty quick, becuase the rest of us wouldn't go pull their weeds for them while we are picking vegetables for our own kids etc..

Originally posted by StinkyFeet
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

Wow it is scary that you are teaching children. Good thing I don't send my kids to public school I guess. Anyway, I know it is paid for by taxes, but what I mean by free is that any child regardless of their parents total lack of resources will get an education just by showing up and completing their assignments. Free--meaning no kid gets kicked out based on finances.

Wow, now you resort to insults..

So it's ok for everyone to chip in and get the lazy fat slobs children an education, but if the children happen to die from starvation (as you stated above) because their parents are in prison because they're unemployed, you're quite happy with it.

reply to post by mellisamouse


Sounds like a great world you described in your post. We can all help each other out and build better relationships with each other where we are really connected.

[edit on 14-10-2009 by StinkyFeet]

Wow, I thought the slogan here was to "deny ignorance". Let's just get one thing out of the way so I don't end up double posting. To the poster that finds it hard to believe that guy works 10 hours a day, I put 9 hours a day in at Walmart - 5 days a week. I repeat, Walmart. You don't even need a high school degree to work at Walmart, but I put 9 hours a day in there. Our managers work 12 hours a day. Yes, 12 hours a day. You don't even need a high school degree to manage a Walmart, but our managers put 12 hours a day in there. "Deny Ignorance"

To the OP, where to start? I assume you didn't think this all the way through since you didn't mention anything about what would happen to the retired people. I can just imagine a 95 year old man flipping burgers at McDonalds because the law won't let him retire. Not very realistic. Also, what about the people that make an effort to find a job but are not hired? Especially in small town USA where jobs are hard to come by? "Deny Ignorance".

The problem with the unemployment rate, for the most part, the problem is not that people are not trying to find work. The problem is that there is no work out there! Large companies are laying workers off by the dozen(s), while small companies are struggling to stay ahead and are trying to avoid labor costs as much as possible. Companies do not want to pay for labor with the economy in the shape that it is.

The only people getting hired are people with a long work history or an extremely good resume, because when there is only one opening available and two hundred people apply - They can't just give it the job to someone who just got out of high school and has no work history. So, here lies the problem. The next generation of workers can't find jobs. Yes, even McDonalds is cutting back on staff.

The last thing we need is more non violent criminals crowding the jails.

Some people should just keep some thoughts to themselves.

reply to post by tdogg1

I started to reply to this thread, but then I saw who started it...

ya I'm gonna say it.

TROLL ALERT

Jesus Christ almighty...

Like anyone who would post something like this actually earns all that much of a living right?

It's always the people under 30 G that want that 2.3 G back when half was there own SS money anyway lol.

The freedom to just be a bum is your greatest salvation if your a failure

Originally posted by StinkyFeet

I say unless you are quadrepalegic then you should be able to do something useful. I know there is high unemployment, but lets put people to work for minimum wage to clean the streets by hand or to carry a working person's breifcase from place to place.


[edit on 13-10-2009 by StinkyFeet]

That would be socialism now wouldn't it?

And carrying a working person briefcase sounds mid evil, would the next step
be standing next to the john with toilet paper in hand?
Sounds anti American and fascist at the same time, enjoy that one.

Janky Red

[edit on 14-10-2009 by Janky Red]

Originally posted by StinkyFeet
Let's make work mandatory, just like they want to make healtcare mandatory. Almost everyone in this country is capable of some sort of work. Even a person with Downs Syndrome can work at McDonalds.

I say unless you are quadrepalegic then you should be able to do something useful. I know there is high unemployment, but lets put people to work for minimum wage to clean the streets by hand or to carry a working person's breifcase from place to place.

I say if you refuse to work, you should get the same fines as what they propose in Healthcare "Reform" for not having insurance.

There is no excuse not to work unless you are severly ill or severly handicapped. Even most people in wheelchairs can drive around and move somthing from place to place or work in an office answering the phone.

Work is good. Work raises your self worth and makes you a contributor instead of a taker. Work is a health issue. Work is healthy!

[edit on 13-10-2009 by StinkyFeet]

well.. sounds like your LOVE the communistic side of things my friend.. so much for freel will huh !..

You better come up wtih a better explanation than work is healthly, cuz' so far.. I for one just think you're troll'n ..

reply to post by StinkyFeet


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no fines, jail, or even restriction should apply!

WTH is wrong with some of you people, if you don't work, you don't eat. Its freedom of choice, and every American is entitled to the right to do what we want.

Seriously, that wouldn't be freedom...

Say I've made $50/hour my entire life after college, after an expensive education.

You expect me to work at Taco Bell, even if I don't claim unemployment? Sorry but 7 bucks an hour isn't even worth getting out of bed for.

My right to think so, so that's how I think. I also think you are ignorant, but I'll drop it here.

just a question here.....
who's gonna be watching these children, while you have all these parents out there picking up the litter off the side of the road or whatever, for minimum wage?
a few points I would like to make,
one the gov't gives them aid for their child care...around $3/child.
two or three kids, and well, the cost of the child care exceeds what alot of them can make in the job market.
and well, they will still need help from the gov't.
okay, go have them picking up your litter for ya.
it will be your taxes that are paying them to pick up the litter,
it will be your taxes paying for the childcare while they pick up the litter,
and your taxes will still be providing their necessities of life!!

thank you, you've just increased the gov't's budget!!!

Many of these people are susposed to be working now. if they don't they lose their public assistance after two years or something of being on it. but, I bet it's costing us more money for it to be this way simply because we are paying for the child care for their children while they are out there earning their paychecks!

A better approach would be to sit down with everyone who is on food stamps, medicaid, medicare, hud, schips, ect, and help them figure out just how much money they would need to obtain their needs on their own. then well, require them to find look for a job that pays that much, or ask their boss to raise their pay. and well, let the companies know that these people are gonna be required to look for that mythological job and well, if that means that they have to take a little time off work to look, well, they can't be fired! while you are doing that, you can also let them know that they will not be recieving much in the form of tax credits, gov't handouts, and all the other avenues that companies use to suck tax money out of the gov't hands and into their business....this you could make contingent upon reveiw of their entire payroll... if the company isn't truly earning enough money for them to pay, well, maybe a special tax credit could be invented that will give them the money to do it!
what the heck, we have given the businesses a ton of money to "create jobs", maybe it's time we demanding jobs that pay enough for a family to be self sufficient!

But, at least if you did that, you would be restoring what I see to be the natural order of things...people go to work, to earn the money they need to live, businesses pay them enough money to live on! not, people go to work, then people go and beg to the government, then maybe, just maybe, the gov't will listen to the pleas and they will have enough to live on!!

It's a bloody OUTRAGE! That people with all the good ideas like Mr Stinkyfeet are all locked up in our mental institutions/Neoconservative think tanks!

[edit on 14-10-2009 by MOTT the HOOPLE]