Manchester Airport starts trial of 'strip-search' scanner

Originally posted by Merriman Weir

Protest? You did see the news over the weekend?

Actually I didn't and I'm surprised people actually care about it. I guess when fascism starts to encroach on their underpants that's crossing the line.

Originally posted by Lazyninja
Originally posted by Merriman Weir

Protest? You did see the news over the weekend?

Actually I didn't and I'm surprised people actually care about it. I guess when fascism starts to encroach on their underpants that's crossing the line.

I was referring to the fact that there were demonstrations and clashes in Manchester with the English Defence League and the United Anti Fascists.

EDIT: It's worth pointing out that one of the pivotal parts of Manchester's history revolved around demonstration: the Peterloo Massacre.

[edit on 14-10-2009 by Merriman Weir]

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So anyone whom protest nowadays are called facists are they?

Ops that must mean I am a facists myself, since I have protested over a few issues. Shame on me I guess

Well they did the exact same with scotland before we obtained devolved powers, Poll Tax, Etc just to name a few... plus mostly the north of England were used as test areas before it was implemented to everywhere else inthe uk. This does not suprise me one bit.

Notice it is always areas outwith the south that are test areas first, what is up with that. Are they too scared that those in the south would be more violent or ticked off by the introcutionof these schemes?

[edit on 14-10-2009 by Laurauk]

wonder if you'll get a lead jock strap with your frequent flyer points?
Like anything else it will get pushed through regardless of public opinion, which will probably be minimal anyway.
They will give us a choice. Either fly and be scanned or don't fly. Just one more hoop to jump through. Prepares the ground for the biometric and rfid scanners, if thats not what they really are already.
I personally will miss the pat down. i never pass up a chance for someone to run their hands over my body.

When I first read about these I was against them and the BBC article strengthened my opinion. However, having briefly read through this thread, I've come to think them a good idea, providing the following is observed (and legally bound):

1. A stand-alone, non-networked computer in an isolated room with no video footage other than the scan image.
2. Acces to the room denied to floor staff except machine operators.
3. No way of saving any image unless creating an alert. Those requiring police investigation are saved, all others must be deleted.
4. Passenger is not identified before, during or after scan, unless alert is created. This is then taken manually and if alert is resolved, identity must not be retained.
5. Complete freedom for a passenger to refuse scan and request a standard search.

If these are observed and provided there are no health risks, I think this could be an extremely useful tool.

Originally posted by Woland
When I first read about these I was against them and the BBC article strengthened my opinion. However, having briefly read through this thread, I've come to think them a good idea, providing the following is observed (and legally bound):

Unfortunately, there's no way on earth that those conditions will actually be in place if only because there'll be some data storage clause attached to this.

Nudity is sometimes required during an examination to ensure medical health. You don't like it, but you go through with it because you want to be healthy.

In this case momentary pseudo nudity is required to ensure the safety of everyone taking the flight. I think safety reigns right up there with health. Both are valid reasons for having to get nude outside of one's comfort zone.

I wouldn't worry abut perverts at the machines. Just think how many nasty bodies they would have be exposed to before they got to see one they liked. As with anything else, the viewers would probably get very bored with the whole thing really fast.

I would not want that job.

Where does it end? At what point do you get to have control of your privacy? Your autonomy of self? I don't like living in a goldfish bowl existence. If you look at the progression of the incursions into your privacy and the logic used to gain it ( fear, safety ) it will never end. You can never achieve a total cocoon like existence, but you can arrive at a total loss of your privacy and by default loss of freedom.
Your mail is read, phones tapped, your banking transactions, internet usage, medical records shared, library books monitored, DNA taken, airport strip search, facial recognition tech., CCD cameras everywhere, utility usage monitored, looming RFID implants, brain scanning tech. research, and more I'm sure.
Like animals born into captivity, more and more people think this is normal.
End of Rant

Originally posted by unicorn1
I saw this on the news. I didn't think the scans were all that revealing actually.

[edit on 13-10-2009 by unicorn1]

Was the image you saw from a prototype? Was it the best image they were capable of? Is it the best they can do now? Is it the best they can do in the future? Is there a legal limit to the resolution they are allowed to generate? Is there a legal limit to what they can do with the data?



Edit for typo

[edit on 14-10-2009 by dainoyfb]

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Your mail is read, phones tapped, your banking transactions, internet usage, medical records shared, library books monitored, DNA taken, airport strip search, facial recognition tech., CCD cameras everywhere, utility usage monitored, looming RFID implants, brain scanning tech. research, and more I'm sure.

We do all this stuff because human beings can't be trusted. We are cunning, deceptive, intelligent and ever creative in overcoming obstacles and threats.

It doesn't matter how many inventions they come up with to determine our true intentions the wily human will come up with a way around it.

I think we should just celebrate our creativity and forget about the technology because no matter how restrictive they get human nature will prevail. Why not just get over it, and get on with life, dangerous as it might be.

I refuse to be treated like cattle, so I do not fly.
If enough people refused to fly, maybe it would be noticed.

My question is, if you refuse to be subjected to the searches, can you simply walk away, or will you still be detained.

I'd rather drive than tolerate idiots, I may lose my temper and trip the behavioral scanners as well.

My question is, if you refuse to be subjected to the searches, can you simply walk away, or will you still be detained.

Boss: "What do you mean he refused the search?"

Pervert image analyst:"Said he'd rather drive than tolerate idiots."

Boss: "If he's got nothing to hide then he's got nothing to fear. That dude MUST be a terrorist."

Security guard stroking his baton: "Okay boys take him in the back. I want every hole searched. i want his phone records, bank records, dental records, beegee records, i want the works on this guy.


And i'm sure if they looked hard enough they'd find something suspicious.
Whats that, he subscribes to a conspiracy website?
*sound of a gun being cocked*

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I've been thinking about this a little over a couple of days and i've come to the conclusion that there really aren't that many Hijackings on planes.... in fact the last one i remember is the 2001 Twin Towers.... after that there has been an attempted one by that Shoe Bomber guy....

So really that's one hijacking over the last 9 years which resulted in lots of lost lives....

But having said this, with our strict security at the Airports they were still allowed to happen in 2001 and before that.....

Maybe there is no need for scanners but then everyone will have to be patted down and that means everyone, not 1 in every 10!

Also there has been more terrorist acts on the streets than on transport so where do we go? Are we going to have these scanners on the corner of every street?


[edit on 15-10-2009 by TruthxIsxInxThexMist]

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What is chances of abuse? Can static images be taken (snap-shots) - and how long before we see these images posted on Web?

please look at the images produced by one of these machines - its not really possible to make an identification

so whats the problem ?? its not like these pics will be the first ` nudity ` to appear on the web

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You know what I think is most peoples problems, is that those inpower are infinging more and more of ourlives in the UK every day. How long is it going tobe before they askto install cameras in to peoples homes.

Is security not tight/strict enough at the airports without the implementation off another level of Secuirty/Red Tape.

reply to post by deltaalphanovember

back in june, 2008 this thread was started www.abovetopsecret.com...

SECURITY scanners that can see through passengers' clothing and reveal details such as their sex organs, colostomy bags and breast size, are being installed in 10 US airports. A random selection of travellers getting ready to board airplanes in Washington, New York's Kennedy, Los Angeles and other key hubs will be shut in the glass booths while a three-dimensional image is made of their body beneath their clothes. The booths close around the passenger and emit "millimetre waves" that go through cloth to identify metal, plastics, ceramics, chemical materials and explosives, according to the Transport Safety Authority.

www.news.com.au...

maybe this was one of the "selected" airports of the 10.

Originally posted by wayno
reply to post by maldronath

 

Your mail is read, phones tapped, your banking transactions, internet usage, medical records shared, library books monitored, DNA taken, airport strip search, facial recognition tech., CCD cameras everywhere, utility usage monitored, looming RFID implants, brain scanning tech. research, and more I'm sure.

We do all this stuff because human beings can't be trusted. We are cunning, deceptive, intelligent and ever creative in overcoming obstacles and threats.

It doesn't matter how many inventions they come up with to determine our true intentions the wily human will come up with a way around it.

I think we should just celebrate our creativity and forget about the technology because no matter how restrictive they get human nature will prevail. Why not just get over it, and get on with life, dangerous as it might be.

I worked with a Vietnam era Green Beret, great guy. He argued much the same line of thought as you do when this subject arose: sheer numbers and the human spirit would win in the end. I argued that for the first time in history technology will give the upper hand to those who are in power. People are too complacent, too accepting of all of this Orwellian world already in place. Rights given up are never given back. Ben Franklins admonition that those who give up liberty for the semblance of safety has never been more true. I wonder if you will feel the same 5 or 10 years from now?

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as i read it - this will REPLACE metal detector arches

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hey every time "al qaeda" is mentioned w/a new and clever way of exploding/imploding his enemies and his people: Oh god now Al Qaeda is using rectal bombs! www.abovetopsecret.com... all the people (especially americans) will lose more freedom for security.

Some racial profiling and a little common sense would solve all these problems.

I work in audit, and we only audit high risk areas, you don't audit everything.

Logic and race relations are like oil and water.