The Conspiracy of American Political Peril

"Interesting how 8 years of daily Bush-bashing was not only tolerated, but encouraged, yet 8 months of Obama criticism is a plague"...

This statement by stevegmu seems to hit the mark for me. Somehow this censorship to play nice nice with obama is very biased. If you were going to make this move it should have been done a long time ago.

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i dont think relegating a topic to its own sections takes anything away from the subject matter being discussed. If it did all those other topics that have their own forum must be lacking something, and i can assure you they are not. So from Australia i would like to say "Thanks for the free parking".

In 1800, Alexander Hamilton got so worked up over the presidential election that he tried to get the rules changed after the election, created a newspaper to specifically target political enemies ( New York Post ), and became so bitter over the result of the election, challenged Aaron Burr to a duel, which he lost and subsequently died shortly thereafter. If he had not gotten so worked up over the election of 1800, he would have been a president very soon after. Two hundred years later, Al Gore would challenge the rules of an election, the New York Post still targets conservatives, but, since we have now outlawed duels, people just bitch and moan on the internet.

Point being, what is the actual evidence that politics today is any more contentious than it was in 1800? My feeling is nothing has changed, and never will. People get real pissy over ideology. That's why most people know to never discuss politics or religion over dinner.

There is no conspiracy in this thread. It's just based on a totally incorrect assumption. Show me a time in the history of the US when there was not very contentious political bantering and I'll admit I'm wrong.

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As ever, a reasonable and considered approach. Since the decision is left to each member whether to view the section, or not, it just makes sense. Thank you.

Originally posted by JohnD
This is a great (and necessary) post. Partisan politics can be found in forums, blogs and websites throughout the world wide web. I have not made a lot of posts on this site but I lurk (i.e. READ) because I like to believe that there are people other than myself that are open to real critical thinking. I want to LEARN. Anybody can [female dog] and moan. As I get older, I grow weary of this approach because I believe that there is a better way. I want to study as much about religion, history and philosophy as I can to get insight on how I may be part of a solution instead of part of a problem.

I could go on and on about who I am and what I believe, but to keep it short and sweet, these are my personal realizations (and I respect yours if they are different as long we insist on not imposing upon each other's will:

• I am Christian and believe there is a God (though I was once EXTREMELY doubtful)
  
• After wrestling with both liberal and conservative political ideology I am convinced that these are the teams created by an oligarchy designed specifically to keep us divided and dependent.
  
• I strive every day to pray for peace and the strength to treat all with compassion and understanding, especially those who would be my enemies.
  

We are getting so close to a world that can exist without a government and this idea alone is what scares the crap out of the world political machine. Heaven forbid they may have to go out and get real jobs.

S and F... SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO SAY IT AND YOU DID! KUDOS!

well said...

and I like your outline.

In my 1861 unabridged webster's dictionary, definition #2 for APOCALYPSE is "when all is revealed" -

Why would the end of secrecy be considered an apocalypse?

perhaps because..

"Secrets are the mortar binding bricks as lies together into prisons for the mind"

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And yes partisan... Us vs them, dem vs gop, type thinking is being actively encouraged. Mental manipulation works - for those who would like to innoculate themselves from being manipulated, I would suggest that you read a psychiatrist named Joost Meerloo LINK to "DELUSION AND MASS DELUSION"

If we were to heal the divisions amongst us, we must pursue all discussion with intent to determine what the truth is. and we might even heal some of the shills sent to disrupt !

All discussion provides mutual benefit when pursued to determined what is the truth,
NOT who is "right".

Rightness or wrongness means nothing in a cell at Gitmo.

TPTB want racial hatred, they want religious hatred, they want nations despising other nations as it raises arms sales, and they want ignorance. They seek apathy. Those ignorants who are not easily manipulated by shrill lies.. are often turned into supporters by choreographed disaster theatricals... it has been this way since the beginning of time.

There is enough on this planet to provide for everyone's needs but there will never be enough to satisfy greed.

If you want justice, seek the truth.
If you want the truth
follow the money.

"In an era of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" Orwell 1984"

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Its no accident that this is taking place at the same time the white house is launching attacks on media thats critical of him. I have no doubt SO either works with the administration, or has contacts with them. There is a concerted effort going on to silence dissent not only in the country, but on the internet.

I cannot help but notice that those who I have observed to be the largest part of the problem are currently making the most noise about this particular change.

It sure looks like an agenda derailed...perhaps some paychecks affected as well?

However, there are still a few more to check in...I expect to see their mewling shortly.

Good call, ATS...

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
I cannot help but notice that those who I have observed to be the largest part of the problem are currently making the most noise about this particular change.

What is the problem? Criticism of Democrats and Obama? Why is that suddenly "hateful"? Why is it that all the people supporting this move are Obama supporters?

Didn't the white house just send out blog/forum posters to "combat" their critics on the internet? Why is a Canadian so concerned with politics in America?

[edit on 13-10-2009 by Wimbly]

Originally posted by Wimbly

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
I cannot help but notice that those who I have observed to be the largest part of the problem are currently making the most noise about this particular change.

What is the problem? Criticism of Democrats and Obama? Why is that suddenly "hateful"? Why is it that all the people supporting this move are Obama supporters?
Didn't the white house just send out blog/forum posters to "combat" their critics on the internet?

Why not take off your 'hate Obama' specs and read through the thread. It's spelled out pretty clearly if you chose to pay attention. People are tired of the vitriol. Grow up. Run a candidate that has good policies and that can be elected. Quit crying that your guy didn't make the grade... it's unseeming for an American.

Originally posted by zippom2
Somehow this censorship to play nice nice with obama is very biased.

(shaking head in disbelief)


Apparently there is a category of people who either do not read what I wrote, or see different words than what I typed.

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Why not take off your 'hate Obama' specs and read through the thread.

I don't hate Obama. I am a journalist and I do plan on being critical of him, just like I was Bush. I find it disturbing that people in my country are apparently convincing themselves that suppression of dissent is OK (when you're a democrat). Its even more disturbing that people from other countries are actually cheering this on.

Why are critical looks at the current ruling government in the US so threatening to you?

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
(shaking head in disbelief)


Apparently there is a category of people who either do not read what I wrote, or see different words than what I typed.

Several people have laid out a convincing case that you're attempting to censor people critical of Obama and you've ignored all of them. You cant seem to explain what your criteria for "political hate" is and you're moving all kinds of threads that are completely factual and tough on the media/Democrats.

Also, is it just a coincidence that this move coincided with the White House lashing out at their critics in the media?

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These essays are the reactions of a psychiatrist to fettered thinking. The first draft was written during the dark days of Nazi occupation in Holland, when the iron blows of official "thought control" smashed down on all free cultural discussion. In such an atmosphere, imagine the cathartic value of setting down one's own aggressive reaction on paper, of clarifying-for oneself, at least-why man must resist attacks on mental freedom and civilization or perish.

LINK to "DELUSION AND MASS DELUSION"

Originally posted by Wimbly
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

 

Why not take off your 'hate Obama' specs and read through the thread.

I don't hate Obama. I am a journalist and I do plan on being critical of him, just like I was Bush. I find it disturbing that people in my country are apparently convincing themselves that suppression of dissent is OK (when you're a democrat). Its even more disturbing that people from other countries are actually cheering this on.

Why is it that critical looks at the current ruling government in the US are so threatening to you?

Sorry...I'd forget about the journalism if your reportage is as slanted as your commentary on these pages. Again....read the thread objectively, including SO's preamble.

But, I used to have a signature on this site that read...“Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.”

...and so it goes

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So, this isn't political hated? Notice that when you're of a certain political persuasion, your insults are not only tolerated but given stars! Thanks for proving my point for me.

You still haven't answered any of my questions:

1. Why is a Canadian so concerned with politics in the US?
2. What exactly constitutes "political hatred"

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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Are you a proponent of Obama healthcare reform?

Healthcare reform is desperately needed. It's broken. It's prohibitively expensive for small businesses and self-employed. There is no guarantee that if you have it now, it will pay for your bills.

As for Obama, he's a child of a system I abhor. I see him as no different than those before him.

Knowing the fact that even when Clinton was in office...

You seem to be missing the fact that these issues have long since transcended whichever artificial ideological flavor occupied the White House.

So instead it is better just to be robots, and to accept, and agree only with the topics you find acceptable? Is that what you are saying?

Someone else who seems unable to read what I've written, or sees different words than what I typed.

There is no limitation on what topics may be presented... and "Obama Bashing" is just allowed, it's whole-heartedly encouraged.

What you just did is label anyone who posts such topics, as "diseases, and a plague in the forums."

More evidence that perhaps when you see what I've typed, different words form in your head?

What I've expressed is; those who focus on hating the "other side" at the expense of focusing on issues are nothing more than tools of the corrupted system.

Does the motto "Deny Ignorace" means to suppress, and separate those who do not agree with the policies being presented by the Obama administration?

There's little point in conversing with you if you refuse to actually read what I write.

reply to post by SkepticOverlord

What I've expressed is; those who focus on hating the "other side" at the expense of focusing on issues are nothing more than tools of the corrupted system.

What you're apparently missing is that you're doing that very thing right now. By labeling dissent you don't agree with "political hatred" and sending it to a dust bin forum, you're focusing your hate on "the other side" and the expense of debating the issue at hand.

Again, your words and actions coincide perfectly with the White House's assault on their critics. Something thats not happened since Nixon.

[edit on 13-10-2009 by Wimbly]

Originally posted by Wimbly
Several people have laid out a convincing case that you're attempting to censor people critical of Obama and you've ignored all of them.

Because, as I've said over-and-over-and-over again, they are wrong.

Placing a certain kind of topic in a particular forum is not censorship.

If you prefer to insult and spew anger toward those not of your ideological persuasion, then please find another web site to vent your desires.

If you wish to intelligently rip the Obama administration to shreds with reasoned debate and compelling research, please do so here.

If you wish to expose the conspiracy of divisive politics and condemn the current system, please do so here.

Simple.

reply to post by SkepticOverlord

If you prefer to insult and spew anger toward those not of your ideological persuasion, then please find another web site to vent your desires.

How is posting a thread about media lies, misinformation or pointing out Obama's own words "spewing anger"? Why cant you lay out what exactly constitutes "political hatred"? Going based solely on what you've moved to this forum, its very confusing. Others have posted threads asking you what makes them hateful and you've ignored it. If you're on such solid ground, why cant you answer these simple questions?



[edit on 13-10-2009 by Wimbly]

Originally posted by Wimbly
By labeling dissent you don't agree with "political hatred" and sending it to a dust bin forum

Clearly you refuse to understand and are now focused on trolling this subject with misrepresentations of what I've been saying.

The policy is clear. It's not my fault if you seek to muddle it.

YESSSS....

Put the astroturfers from both sides in a cage, so we can poke them with sticks.

I welcome this so much, the political trolling seems to be ramping up again and I nearly punched the screen/left for good because of it.

I hope this works out better than the last efforts to kerb the torrent of agenda driven propaganda, that lasted for a while before it was disregarded.

It is not just here on ATS, this tripe is EVERYWHERE these days and I have had enough of it.

How do we enable the setting to banish these types to a darkened room?