If guns didn't exist in the world

if we didnt have guns people would find even worse weapons to kill each other with
Its human nature for some people to cause pain to others and will always be like that

Right. Because hundreds o thousands of people werent dying in wars before the 15th century.

Might as well blame WWII on the planes used in WWI. Oh why did man invent the airplane. Why why why?

Guns, like religion, have very little if anything to do with war.


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If guns didn't exist we would still be killing eachother with the longbow. Guns are just the extension of the human drive to be able to out kill the next guy over, its not like they are directly responsible for all the evils of war and oppression.

Sure those despicable black rifles, AK's and 30 shot Glock clips aren't meant for anything but killing other people.. But so are swords, maces, halberds, and every other weapon invented in history. Thugs would be carrying knives instead of pocket pistols, police would be far more brutal (Without the option to eliminate a threat from safe distances, they would have an entirely different mindset.), and wars would be fought with rotary crossbows mounted on Apache helicopters..

Because guns or not, we'd still be killing eachother in wars and everyday violence. It would just be a hell of a lot messier.

Aside from the impossibillity of having no guns in the world and the blatant truth that violence and agression always be a part of us, lets see what we possibly would use instead.

There are multiple candidates of replacing the gun:

On number 1: Automated crosbow powered by pneumatic systems. (Crosbows are powerfull and the Chinese managed to make ones that could shoot multiple bolts in an automated manner.)

On number 2: The bow made from extremely powerfull materials. (Bows have a long firing range and are fairly powerfull.)

On number 3: Spears with throwing aid. (Spears have a reasonable range and when thrown hard enough, powerfull.)

Those alternatives are ranged weapons. Just like guns are. Swords and the like are no alternative.

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Some of this worlds biggest and bloodiest battles took place long before the invention of gun powder... entire cities burned to the ground, whole nations killed to the last man woman a child.

Just look at The Siege of Syracuse by the Roman Republic, took place in 214-212 BC, at the end of which the Magna Graecia Hellenistic city of Syracuse, located on the east coast of Sicily, fell. The Romans stormed the city after a protracted siege giving them control of the entire island of Sicily. During the siege, the city was protected by weapons developed by Archimedes. Archimedes, the great inventor and polymath, was slain at the conclusion of the siege by a Roman soldier, in contravention of the Roman general Marcellus' instructions to spare his life.


This siege fought without firearms lasted all of eight months. A Syracusan traitor finally opened the gates to the Romans. Frustrated and angered after the lengthy and costly siege, the Romans rampaged through the citadel and slaughtered many of the Syracusians where they stood and enslaved most of the rest. The city was then thoroughly looted and sacked. One of the bloodiest battles in history and never was a single shoot fired...

then remember the famous line "et tu brutus"! Supposedly the last words of Julius Caesar. Literally 'And you, Brutus?'. they didn't shoot him in the back they stabbed him in the back...

Guns don't create violence they simply level the playing field so you have a fighting chance!

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Agreed, whether you are a gun advocate or not when it comes down to defending your house your tone is bound to change.

What? Accidental firearm incidents? This can be solved with one word. "Education"

I know that if a dangerous person where to try my home on for size he would greet my little friend.

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Human beings, including myself, are not yet adult enough, not evolved enough spiritually or logically, to give up our weapons. The building of weapons is bred into our DNA, just as killing is, and until we can slice this part out of the genetic database, we will never be grown up enough. We need scientists like Walter on "Fringe."

but I'd like everyone just to imagine what it'd be like if we didn't have guns.

What would a cold long dull blade feel like being twisted into the flesh of my abdomen? What would the look on the persons face look like as they repeatedly inject me with steel in a way to fillet my flesh as I screamed. Would this scene be so hideous that one would pray to be shot by a bullet rather than butchered with a knife.

That is what I imagine it would be like without guns.

If there weren't any guns in the world, we'd be bombing the sh*t out of each other, or nuking one.

Problem solved.

Originally posted by autowrench
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Human beings, including myself, are not yet adult enough, not evolved enough spiritually or logically, to give up our weapons. The building of weapons is bred into our DNA, just as killing is, and until we can slice this part out of the genetic database, we will never be grown up enough. We need scientists like Walter on "Fringe."

Is there really any basis whatsoever for the idea that 'truly advanced races won't be violent' ? It's often put forward by science fiction authors and pacifists, but is it a valid line of reasoning? After all, no matter *how* advanced a civilization is, it's going to have needs. The basics....energy, food, raw materials, and room...don't really change as a society advances, or as people evolve. The means of *meeting* those needs will change, but the needs themselves will always exist...and as long as they do, they will have the potential to create friction between groups. Unless being 'evolved enough' means giving up the survival instinct (which pretty well defeats the purpose, doesn't it?), conflict is going to be part of existence. All we (or any other sentient) can do is minimize the number and scope of conflict.

Haha Drive-by spearing. Had to let that one out

If guns didn't exist in the world...

We'd still find a way to kill each other anyway. If you saw the movie 2001 what's the first thing that the proto-human creature learns... to bash in another creatures head in with a bone. We're no different. If we had no guns we'd use something else.

I'm sure op was jesting in his need to seek what many would call "teh lulz".

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Human nature is what needs to be changed. Guns are just a tool. When guns are no longer there its because something deadlier has replaced it. 9-11 Hijackers didnt need guns to kill over 3000 people. Do you want to ban planes as well?

If there was'nt any guns, the stronger, more physically fit, and most skilled in hand to hand combat would survive the longest.

If weapons didnt exist.. Weapons are a concept made by humans. You are forgetting everything can be used as a weapon. Our fists, a fork, a pencil, even a rock can be a weapon. Guns do not cause wars, weapons do not cause wars. WE cause wars.

Well before you get in topic you must define what a gun is, I can set up a rigging that throws a spear from a lead tube through gas compression or explosives does that count as a gun?

In any case the world would probably be a lot simpler yet methods of death would be far more horrendous and more people would die in more interesting ways...I suppose it would kinda suck I'm a bit of a gun nut and if this happened I'd probably shoot myself.
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Still an intresting proposition

I just remember a simplier time

If 2 guys got in a fight in a schoolyard , usually 1 would go home

with just a black eye , then they most times end up being

friends

Now , 1 of them ends up in a Coffin

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uhh we would either way find some way to hurt someone more and kill them so its like not possible to not have any guns lol

Like the line goes: war never changes. If guns did not exist, we would just use the next most efficient thing to kill with. Unfortunate really, but that's human nature I guess.