You Are God!

I believe everthing created was by God or his will. I believe nothing was created without God's knowledge and aprovement.

reply to post by slymattb


I do not believe the bible is the word of god. After understanding the purpose of the council of Nice, I am quite certain of it. It is a document edited my man, no doubt about it. But that is a topic for another time.
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It's not necessary to prove anything. After all, our high tech accomplishments of harnessing the Atom is based on theory, It's called the atomic theory. No one has actually seen an atom to verify it is structured the way it is said to be. Hence, atomic theory. It is enough that atomic theory is workable and answers necessary questions. Necular energy exists as fact regardless if it can be proven or not.

It should be even more true in the realm of spirit or God. Your asking for proof of something which exist outside of the physical universe to be explained to you with physical universe terms. A better question would be to ask of it's workability. Does it work? does it answer questions?

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If you believe "God" is the creator of everything, then what's so hard to understand about everything being made OUT of "God" and "God" therefore automatically being everything, and everything consisting of "God"?

Originally posted by useless eaters
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

We are the creation, not the Creator.

Actually we are both. You create your day every day you wake up to go to work. Your goal is to work so as to earn money in order buy something. You are putting something out (creating) with the intention of getting something back (perceiving), out flowing and inflowing. You create and enjoy your creation. So, you are both.

Something that took 18 years worth of resources and constant input of a wide variety of information would do the work of something that only took maybe a year to develop and produce? - robots?

Sorry, that's not how I see the role of being a creator. Machines do not create even if it looks that way - they replicate... If you want to truly create something, then do something that's never been done before...

Don't be content simply by achieving something in your life that someone else also did... Let's not be copycats, let's be unique for we are not machines!

The OP is 100% correct. It is the father and son relationship.

Jesus tries to show people this. When asked if he was god, all he does is quote Psalm 82.

Psalm 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Here is where they want to stone Jesus for saying he is the son of god.

John 10

33The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

34Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Direct Quote.

Coming to this understanding happens when one is born again. It is followed by the a period of time where one gains understanding of things, which is the holy spirit. Jesus also talks about this.

John 14:20At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

That is the quote that drew me to the bible/Jesus. I gained this understanding outside the bible/religion, but when I read that from Jesus, I was almost in shock. It is such a deep truth and understanding, not what I heard/learned from men.

Anyone can come to this understanding. So long as they seek the truth, the way, and the life, which is what Jesus symbolizes when he says nobody can come by the father but through him. There is a reason why he defines what he is in the same very verse he says that.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Anyone who seeks those things can come to the father. Even if not by the words and sayings of Jesus. Which Christians do not seem to get. Proof of this can be found later in the same Chapter.

John 14

24He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

25These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.

26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

This is what happens when one is born again.

And this is important because it's when people honestly and truly start to understand the difference between flesh and spirit. What is "dead" and what is "life". And it is upon this understanding that one can start to understand the father and son relationship.

What is actually "You" is god - yes. You are all gods. If you are conscious, if you know what it means "to be", if you are an observer of things, then you are god, you are life.

Because what brings things to "life", is for it to be experienced, observed and so forth. Without something conscious being able to observe it - then it does not exist. Because nothing is there to perceive it. Creation and souls have a relationship in this manner.

What is spirit is that which is the observer. It is not physical at all. The physical universe is based on action and reaction. On logic. It has no free will at all. It is because it has no free will that men are able to hold physical power in things like rockets, bullets and so forth. It is incapable of being intelligent, it is incapable of making choices and so forth. It does nothing but act and react.

Science is great for this, but science can not handle choice, free will and so forth. Because it's not logical, it's not action and reaction.

It is said you will be hated of this world. The above is the reason why. You are hated because you have choice. Because you have choice, you do not give power to those who seek power in the way rockets do. And if you are to use that choice in a manner in which does not yield them power, then you will be persecuted. Just as Jesus was.

It is for this reason there is so much manipulation. Because it allows them to control the choices. And much effort and resources is put into doing this, into swaying opinion and so forth. They do all they can to turn you into a machine/robot that works on nothing but actions and reactions. Then they can introduce the actions that will cause the reactions they want. By playing on peoples biases, slanting things and so forth. That is the true war on god that is going on everyday.

Ever notice the commandment are sins against god? You know why? Because when you do those things, you are doing it to the father within that person.

While we are gods, the father is much greater than all. What is the difference between father and son? Perception.

The father is all knowing, omnipotent etc. This means that for the father, there is no time, there is no change. Because there is nothing new that can happen. All possibilities are there and known for the father.

This would be like taking a movie film, and stretching it end to end and viewing the entire film at once. In that film there is no time, no change etc.

Time, change and so forth comes from the limitation of knowledge and perception. If we take that same movie film, view it frame by frame, suddenly it has time, change and so forth. This is the son perspective. The son does not know all and so forth, it experiences things as if they are new etc. This is us. We are here.

In the end, there is but 1 true god, 1 true observer. And that father is within all of us. All things go by his will and so forth. So, the father is much greater than I am. Always will be.

Can you define yourself without naming the flesh? Without naming a possession?

What is a soul? An individual consciousness within the greater consciousness(father). And even that is in itself a possesion. So who is ultimately possessing them? The father.

All that said, it's not something one should just accept, nor can it really be accepted. It can only be understood and experienced for ones self.

Maybe once people know they will start acting like it - aka walking the path of Jesus, and keeping the commandments.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by useless eaters

 

Satan used the same lie to deceive Eve 6000 years ago:

"For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."

Genesis 3:5

We are the creation, not the Creator.

What you are bolding wasn't the part that was a lie.

Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

reply to post by useless eaters

Sure, no problem, you go first. You show me your so called jesus did all those things.

One way to do that is to read what His enemies had to say. The Babylonian Talmud is a good source for that.

"Crock", indeed! Please, don't insult me by throwing biblical quotes at me. All that proves is that is your not interested in debating anything on this thread.

You are the one that mentioned scripture when YOU said in the OP that:

"But even the judo-christian bible is willing to admit that man was made a little less than the angels (sorry forgot the exact referance)."

I corrected you because you were wrong. You don't like it? Then get your references straight.

Now I started this thread with the intention of not offending anyone. I expect the same from you.

You're mad because I used the word "crock"? I thought I was treating you with kid gloves.

You said in your OP that:

Now, with this idea of create, (outflow) and perceive, (inflow) which a supreme being does, How is this different from what you do? Basically you are doing the same are you not? On a smaller scale perhaps, but the same never the less, aren’t you doing the same, putting something out and getting something back, (inflow and outflow), (create and perceive)? Isn't this what you are doing right now at this very minute? Isn't this basically what you are doing every minute of your life?

How is that different from what animals do?

You don't create anything that hasn't already been created. All you can do is modify the creation to suit your needs. Animals can do as much.

Originally posted by useless eaters
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

I'm not in the mood for semantics.

Neither am I.

You create matter and energy every time you think a thought. And since the thought did not exist there before it was thought of, you could say it was created out of thin air.

Hmmmmm,.. interesting. Apparently you are ignorant to the First Law of Thermodynamics:

"The law of conservation of energy states that the total amount of energy in a closed system remains constant. A consequence of this law is that energy cannot be created nor destroyed. The only thing that can happen with energy in a closed system is that it can change form, for instance kinetic energy can become thermal energy."

First Law of Thermodynamics

Consider yourself educated from this point out. Deny Ignorance.

I knew it!

reply to post by NOTurTypical


Did you get that thermodynamics quote out of the Bible, NuT? Because if you didn't, then can you also consult other philosophies besides science and Christianity? Or does it break the rules? What I'm saying is you don't get ALL your information about life from the Bible, do you? There is no need being racist against other cultures, other ways of seeing the reality around you, etc., as it all ultimately means the same thing in the bigger picture. In fact incorporating so many different views and information opens up the big picture to you.

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Am very conscious of being A god-particle

and having said that I'm physically and mentally built to create ......

so I guess it's true: there are originally no Gods only Goddesses

But we let men believe they are Gods simply because they like to mess around with Power and such

Let the thunder and flashes be shown!!

ah the irony of ownage...

firstly he says.

YOU ARE GOD, yes that's right.. "

in caps btw signifying his attempt to persuade by using caps. doesn't work.


and then he says.

" So, are you a God who is unconscious of being a God? Or to put it another way, Are you God? "


in a question form. So at first he is dead certain we are God, and then he questions it. This is a classic tactic of certain spammars, not saying he is one. But they use alot of !!!! those marks and say irrelevant things in the beggining and then come off as sincere near the end.


again, I'm not saying for sure if he is a spammar. of course we are not God.

we didn't create the universe and human kind. whoever behind a keyboard says so is a liar.


and sane person over 10 years old can realize that.

Come on guys, this is the age of lies. Twists of scripture and the last age, the most faithless degenerate lustfull age in human history.

expect more of these type of threads in the future.

you see God wants us to be gods, but with humility. Thats what the saints did.

They didn't say.

I AM GOD !! exclamation... with an ovetone. No they were filled with Christ and became like a god but with true humility.

This age was predicted centuries ago, the last age where man becomes God.. JP2 preached it and antichrist will use the same doctrine. and antichrist is literally around the corner.

he will be head of the NWO one world order. And so satan has to prepare for him by spouting out lies like this to try, keyword (try) and decieve people.

But I'm gald to see the responses and Christians realizing baloney when they see it.

Bye..

peace.

Originally posted by bsbray11
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Did you get that thermodynamics quote out of the Bible, NuT? Because if you didn't, then can you also consult other philosophies besides science and Christianity? Or does it break the rules? What I'm saying is you don't get ALL your information about life from the Bible, do you? There is no need being racist against other cultures, other ways of seeing the reality around you, etc., as it all ultimately means the same thing in the bigger picture. In fact incorporating so many different views and information opens up the big picture to you.

'NuT'?? First of all appeal to ridicule is a fallacy of logic, so save it, those arguments only carry weight on the playgrounds of the world.

Secondly, I linked the source of the First Law of Thermodynamics, if you don't like Wikipedia then google "First Law of Thermodynamics" yourself and pick from any you see fit, they will be the exact same.

I pointed it out because someone in this thread is under the impression he can create matter and energy out of nothing. I proved without a doubt that humans cannot do this, it's impossible.

Who knows, maybe it flew over your head, but anyone with an elementary course in Physics will tell you that the subject is hereby "case closed".

PS. 'Cultures' are not 'races', therefore it's impossible to be racist against a culture, the correct word to use in that situation is "bigoted". With that being said, Science/Physics cannot be bigoted nor 'racist', it deals with laws of Science.

(Edit for spelling)

[edit on 12-10-2009 by NOTurTypical]

More people have been murdered in the name of religion than any other reason.""


No. People have been murdered because of lack of grace and love and hypocrasy not considering actual war having to do with other factors then God.

In the final end, 3 quarters of the earth will be destroyed when religion is taken out of schools and society, called the last age, which is where we are.

and then communism will take over as predicted by saints, and nukes will go off at an alarming rate.

also predicted by saints.

and so once (true) religion, true innocent godliness is removed from society, the world and communism destroys itself.

God commanded to not kill. And every saints has lived by that rule. compared to the what I believe antipopes who headed the crusades, compared to those times is little compared to the lives of the peacful saints.

every society has it's hypocrites.

Now to the Op one more time.


you said.

" it's not antichrist satan "


this is exactly the doctrine of antichrist. This is what he will preach. You are just paving his way. he will be here shortly, once the nwo tries to get the world to join as one.

but past that point. with a belief like.

" I am God "

you don't understand all the hidden prides and idolness this can create in a mindset.

we can say that the makers of nukes thought they were gods in their creation.

the makers of destructive weapons.

This type of belief creates an idol mindset which has no limits, since we are our own Gods.

and you see anybody can take it the wrong way.

a rapest can say.

" hell I'm a God, I'm God for that matter, I made this woman, so she's mine "

" she's my reality "


This is the destruction of mandkind. And when we are in WW3, this mindset and the removing of God from society will be the cause.

peace.

and so what rules do we create?

If we are Gods, screw follwing a (set) keyword set of rules that God comes up with right?

screw that. (I) am God.

so my commands is to rape anybody possible.

shoot anybody I want on the street

Say love is hate and hate is love, so love isn't my rule.

why?

I say so..

I am God.

am I not?

who's to say?



You see anybody with that mindset can destroy themselves. So if you say you are God but their is rules, it's a contradiction to itself.

so the argument owns itself if you look deep into it.

and God will always allow the truth to come out on theories like this.

peace.

[edit on 13-10-2009 by JesusisTruth]

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
'NuT'?? First of all appeal to ridicule is a fallacy of logic, so save it, those arguments only carry weight on the playgrounds of the world.

Actually, it is your username abbreviated because I didn't feel like typing the whole thing out.

Secondly, I linked the source of the First Law of Thermodynamics, if you don't like Wikipedia then google "First Law of Thermodynamics" yourself and pick from any you see fit, they will be the exact same.

I know the law well, my point is that it doesn't come from the Bible. Yet you believe it anyway. Which raises questions for me.

PS. 'Cultures' are not 'races', therefore it's impossible to be racist against a culture, the correct word to use in that situation is "bigoted". With that being said, Science/Physics cannot be bigoted nor 'racist', it deals with laws of Science.

And what are "laws of science" again?

Originally posted by JesusisTruth
and so what rules do we create?

If we are Gods, screw follwing a (set) keyword set of rules that God comes up with right?

screw that. (I) am God.

so my commands is to rape anybody possible.

shoot anybody I want on the street

Say love is hate and hate is love, so love isn't my rule.

why?

I say so..

That's perfectly legitimate.

There is absolutely nothing stopping you from going out and doing those things.

And you can order people to do as you wish.


However, every single other individual you encounter has about equal say in the creation of reality, so I think that if you try doing the things you mention, you will quickly find yourself "removed from power" so to speak.

On the other hand, the same perspective, and similar philosophies that complement it and expand upon it and elaborate, can be very empowering if they are properly understood. The understanding part is where this communication gap happens.

Originally posted by useless eaters
YOU ARE GOD!

Isa 43:10c [God is speaking]
Before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

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"God" speaking?

Here is "Jesus" speaking:

John 10

33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Originally posted by bsbray11
Here is "Jesus" speaking:

John 10

33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Since we know that there cannot be another God from Isaiah, the passage in John 10:34 looks like a contradiction to it but it isn't.
The judges of Psalm 82 were called "gods" because in their office they determined the fate of other men. Also, in Exodus 21:6 and 22:8-9, God calls earthly judges "gods."
Jesus is saying "If God gives these unjust judges the title ‘gods’ because of their office, why do you consider it blasphemy that I call Myself the ‘Son of God’ in light of the testimony of Me and My works?"

That takes care of that contradiction and it proves that humans cannot become a God.