14 Art Students with Construction Passes were in WTC before attacks

Originally posted by SPreston
Splendid quality video made a year and a half before 9-11 by al Qaeda? Super rich Usama bin Laden should have had such high quality video equipment.

Woah! Hold up! That doesn't even look like an islamic extremist. He's dressed like a Jewish dude or something!

On top of that, the guy had a script! He's laughing as he is trying to complete his script! And then some guy off camera saying that he had to say it with more emotion??? This guy has to be coached on how to create a martyrdom video?? And then the quality of the video?

Come on! Do I look like an idiot? That was one of the hijackers? Man, our news media is seriously controlled, because after seeing what they showed of the video, the only thing I can imagine is that the Mossad had a hand in here somewhere. There is no way that is an islamic extremist!

I wonder how the newscaster dude came to a different conclusion? Are they somehow... I hate to suggest a thing, but something funny is going on here. That's not possible for someone with a decent amout of intelligence to watch that guy laughing in the video and think that it's because he doesn't want to crash a plane. You don't crash a plane if you are unwilling to crash a plane. Obviously he wants to crash the plane, but just has a motivation that would make participating in a martyrdom video seem dubious to the point of hilarity.

And on top of that, the guy is not even a Muslim?? He's a Christian?

When I first heard the news media's take on it, that there were Muslim extremist hijackers and things like that, I guess I just trusted that they were telling me the truth. When you actually see one of their main hijackers trying to make a martyrdom video, complete with a director and a script and multiple takes, that's a different story. I mean, they had to scrap plans to release it as a martyrdom video, and instead the US just happens to come across it.

Man, we are screwed. And then they're about to attack Iran? I wonder if we'll ever find out all the details about 9/11? Geez.

I'm going to have to do some research on this guy and the other 9/11 hijackers, because that just doesn't add up.

Alright, so what's the deal here. Is no one going to come right out and say it?

Come on now, let's say it all at once, like in a chorus:

"We suspect these art students helped to plant explosives or nano thermate in the buildings. They had the access and the time they would have needed to accomplish this."

I hate to state the obvious, but someone had to do it, if that's where we are going with this.

And if that's the case, then I would presume they are all alive, just like some of the "hijackers?"

Maybe it was them that planted the homing device for the remote controlled planes. It would be quite damning if they had access, and actually did work, for example, on the 81rst floor of the South Tower right where Flight 175 hit.

Someone connect these sukkas to Fuji Bank (who occupied what, floors 79 to 82?) or to the contractors they brought in to reinforce the 81rst floor, and we might actually have something.

As it stands, all we have is a bunch of pictures and a story, which doesn't really implicate them in anything.

Yet.

But you bet your ass I am starring and flagging this.

[edit on Sun Oct 11th 2009 by TrueAmerican]

reply to post by MegaCurious


Ziad Jarrah and his MOSSAD relatives are Lebanese. MOSSAD often recruits people from different ethnic groups including Islamic to do their dirty work.

Bribery or reward or threats or extortion will work on many people.

btw, I just want to state something. Most of us here are not against Jews or anything like that, we are just following the evidence and the Mossad is something that keeps popping up.



As for the "Art STudents". Let's see what the photos bring out. Boxes and Boxes of stuff that shouldn't be there is very suspicious in my view.

[edit on 11-10-2009 by talisman]

Very odd indeed.

Although the boxes could be just used to create a space for them to live, sort of like a hidden room. Or they might be for sound suppression so they aren't heard inside there.

Either way it shows that WTC security is was as cheap as any other buildings security, if not more so; in the months leading up to 9/11.

It also shows that a construction pass for the WTC (dunno how they got those), is as good as haveing a Security badge and pass for the building, if not better, because it allows you to go into (non used areas, bring heavy equipment and stuff in and out) all without creating any suspicion.

Very interesting story.

But the video on you-tube seems to say it was 4 guys, and maybe 2 "asian looking" women. Not the "14" proposed in the thread title. Not that it matters much, 14 guys looking like them would be alot harder to conceal and actually find living space for in the towers than just the 4.

Starred and Flagged.

I may be really naive here, and please please please dont' take this the wrong way, but....

What really would Mossad have to gain by doing this? I am in no way saying they didn't, as I wouldn't put it past them or their operatives to plan and carry out such a heinous act, but in the end, everything they do has some benefit to them. The only thing I can think of is to get the United States so riled up against Muslim extremists that we pulverize the Middle East thereby removing any threat to them, but again it seems like such an extreme way of going about that end.

This is very interesting and the video is truly something to see. Everybody and I do mean everybody on this thread should consider why their is a quite hush over this and other things that has been done for or by Israeli intelligence and their officials. For one our country and our govt. is theocratic but they "try" to hide it. And in regards to this there belief is that Israel must exists because thats what god said, Israel for the Israeli people. It fits to our end times situation with the second coming, which states that in the second coming that as said before Israel will be occupied by his chosen for one and then when the rapture happens everyone that is pure in faith etc. etc. will go to heaven and the Israeli's will be given a choice to convert to Christianity or be destroyed. It's a sick thing, but thats what they believe. So at almost all levels of govt. you have people that will look after this believe over the welfare of the US (all you have to do is look at all of the govt. officials that have been caught but not prosecuted or a slap on the wrist giving information to Israeli officials).

There intelligence and govt. units use this belief and pressure from their leaders and the media to quite down and or squash any information that could be related to Israeli participation in anything that is nefarious. I don't blame the Israeli's one bit. Many of our own allies along with our enemies spy on us. The big problem we have is that we have a blind eye to their spying and intelligence gathering (I didn't know this but many of our phone billing gets correllated in a few companies that are headquartered and in Israel). If we didn't have this, they (we don't know they are behind this but they may have known and said nothing or "cleared" the pathway to make it easier for them, it wasn't just them if they did it they had to have had help from US govt. officials) wouldn't be so bold to try alot of stuff that has been done and people that have been caught and let go.

Sometime in the future we will know the truth and when it comes out, it will be a shocker for sure.

I did a search on the "WTC balcony" and came up with this site The Art of Prank

In the Spring of 2000 an Austrian art group called Gelitin either did or did not remove a window from their 91st floor art studio space in the World Trade Center; did or did not place a balcony outside; and did or did not stand on it for photographs taken from a hired helicopter.

The students names were Ali Janka, Florian Reither, Tobias Urban and
Wolfgang Gantner.

I believe them all to be male and am unsure how they are connected to the 14 mentioned in this thread or the 2 Asian women mentioned in the video.

Some of the images shown in the video are also shown on the site I've linked, together with the name "Gelitin" which also appears in the video.

Maybe someone can find out more.

Image of Florian Reither, he's the guy in the blue T-shirt.

Images of Ali Janka

Images of Tobias Urban

Images of Wolfgang Gantner

I'm confused, this seems to be old news regarding them being in the WTC, I assume some new info has come to light, and am still not sure about the 2 Asian women and the 14 students previously mentioned, I'm guessing that the 2 women were friends of theirs.

As far as I can see they seem to be art students that stage Art Pranks, all be it on a relatively grand scale.

As I see it, the only connection being made with Mossad or the Israeli spy ring, is that they were arrested and questioned by the FBI in connection with the 911 attacks, which is what you'd expect as they carried out their stunt a short time before 911, sixteen months to be exact.

These guys have made no real attempt at hiding what they do.

[edit on 11-10-2009 by Koka]

I found this image, taken from the video, particularly interesting:

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Core columns and elevators discussion? What's up here? With the provided resolution, I found it hard to really read much of the writing, even after magnifying. Perhaps pictures are worth more than words in this case?

Originally posted by talisman



As for the "Art STudents". Let's see what the photos bring out. Boxes and Boxes of stuff that shouldn't be there is very suspicious in my view.

[edit on 11-10-2009 by talisman]

In my opinion what is visible are empty flattened boxes to "protect" the surrounding walls from harm. However, where the content of the boxes are is questionable.

Apparently some of them were demolitions experts with expertise in "explosive ordinances" and members of the Israeli Military.

reply to post by PenandSword


I theories that the seed of evil has infected all the worlds major religions . Every Jew I've ever met has been a decent person , this still doesn't blind to the knowledge to the deeds of Jewish Supremacist . In fact it's almost enlightening to be aware of this and still not judge an entire people over the deeds of the few.

In the spring of 2000, Gelatin and 14 other artists shared free studio space on the 91st floor, where the group’s artmaking appeared to consist of building a clubhouse out of cardboard boxes.

Come on people this thread is going off on a tangent, read the link in my intial post above.

I'm all for the truth behind what happended on September the 11th but 2+2 does not equal 911.

Try to be a little objective and stop taking things at face value.

[edit on 11-10-2009 by Koka]

Origin of film:
www.youtube.com...

I was contacted by an individual who led me to this information about the art students living in WTC Tower 1 before 9/11. In fact, in May of 2000, they were living on the 91st floor where they were doing construction and sleeping in tents. They did have construction passes. I do believe that ACE Elevator and Securicom, as well as Kroll Associates should be focused on, however, this is important information that has never been confirmed, until now.

These art students were apart of the art group, gelatin, and were pulling off a large stunt in the name of art, at least that is the official story. Gelatin is notorious for encouraging and participating in various stunts and elaborate adventures to push art into the pop culture by performing publicity stunts. The project these art students from Austria and Germany were apart of was called, The B-Thing

So, if you are an art student living in the WTC, then you have to be a terrorist?

I don't think so. You guys are taking someone's opinion about art students to a whole new level.

radiodujour.wordpress.com...

GELATIN - group of four Austrian artists - Brief Article:
findarticles.com...

Four Austrians have been making appearances under the label "Gelatin" for the past five years. They have been engaged by music clubs and invited to participate in theater festivals; they have made commissioned "percent for art" pieces and staged their multiworks in art exhibitions.

You see. Anyone can make a connection.


[edit on 11-10-2009 by Pathos]

Originally posted by HennyPen

Yes indeed. MOSSAD art students and other MOSSAD agents have been spying on the easily suckered United States for years and years. It really makes one wonder why the Zionists are considered allies or friends doesn't it?

Easily suckered??

Who needs 'easily suckered' people when we have very-high level traitors almost openly giving away nuclear secrets, operational secrets and selling favors? And these traitors were openly protected by the president of the US (Herr Bush). It's doubtful Obama is any better.

Want classified info or materials?? Got a $20 bill you can spare?

reply to post by Pathos


If you are Isreali Military, with expertise in Explosives and you are living in the WTC, then yeah, you just might be more than the "art student" you claim to be.. duh!

Originally posted by OmegaPoint
If you are Isreali Military, with expertise in Explosives and you are living in the WTC, then yeah, you just might be more than the "art student" you claim to be.. duh!

Please supply the evidence that connects this group of students with having explosive expertise and more importantly, being Israeli military?

[edit on 11-10-2009 by Koka]

reply to post by Koka


See the Youtube video I posted above. Thanks.

Originally posted by OmegaPoint
reply to post by Koka

 

See the Youtube video I posted above. Thanks.

I had already viewed your video, and it makes no mention of these students.

Maybe you could afford me the courtesy of reading my initial post and the link enclosed.

[edit on 11-10-2009 by Koka]

If only people would actually LOOK at the way the buildings were destroyed



And then stop defending and supporting the Zelikow directed myth and Big Lie in history - then maybe the 9/11 event could serve future history as a point of learning and in so doing, serve the cause of justice for the many victims, both on 9/11 and then enacted on their behalf in the wake of that monstrous Crime of the Century. May it be remembered for what it REALLY was.

"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor".

Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources For a New Century
September, 2000

Project For A New American Century

GoodOlDave's Master

Philip D. Zelikow, Chief 9/11 Master Mythmaker as the Bush appointed Executive Director of the 9/11 Commission.

The idea of 'public presumption'," he explained, "is akin to [the] notion of 'public myth' but without the negative implication sometimes invoked by the word 'myth.'

Such presumptions are beliefs (1) thought to be true (although not necessarily known to be true with certainty), and (2) shared in common within the relevant political community."

An act of catastrophic terrorism that killed thousands or tens of thousands of people and/or disrupted the necessities of life for hundreds of thousands, or even millions, would be a watershed event in America's history.

It could involve loss of life and property unprecedented for peacetime and undermine Americans' fundamental sense of security within their own borders in a manner akin to the 1949 Soviet atomic bomb test, or perhaps even worse.

Constitutional liberties would be challenged as the United States sought to protect itself from further attacks by pressing against allowable limits in surveillance of citizens, detention of suspects, and the use of deadly force. More violence would follow, either as other terrorists seek to imitate this great "success" or as the United States strikes out at those considered responsible.

Like Pearl Harbor, such an event would divide our past and future into a "before" and "after."

The effort and resources we devote to averting or containing this threat now, in the "before" period, will seem woeful, even pathetic, when compared to what will happen "after."

Philip D. Zelikow

www.ksg.harvard.edu...

On the World Trade Center

"... if the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center had succeeded, the resulting horror and chaos would have exceeded our ability to describe it. Such an act of catastrophic terrorism would be a watershed even in American history. It could involve loss of life and property unprecedented in peacetime and undermine America's fundamental sense of security..Like Pearl Harbor, the event would divide our past and future into a before and after. The United States might respond with.."

~ Philip Zelikow, pre-9/11

Originally posted by OmegaPoint

Listen to him, at the 3:50 mark, through 4:44..

[edit on 11-10-2009 by OmegaPoint]