Indigo Children Exist

Originally posted by Merriman Weir

Originally posted by Chilkoot
fair enough, I suppose what I should have said is that I've read several of these indigo threads front to back, and it seems to me that only a fraction of the people that seem to think they show "indigo" tendencies are not actually identifying with what *I* believe the term encompasses, but another set of characteristics (analogous to ADD/ADHD) that I believe to be falsely associated with the term.

Fair enough, thanks for the clarification. You could be right, but as you've said, it's all conjecture anyway - unless of course you're claiming to be in a similar paradigm you're an indigo-seeker or something whose ability is to detect and measure the abilities of these wunderkind.

There's the rub, if we can't clearly define what an indigo is, or even that they exist, it would be ludicrous to claim to be one.

As a fanciful concept though, it does resonate with me that if they did exist the general perception of them as either "superheroes waiting to awaken" or "saviors come to save us" are both dead wrong, as is the criteria that more or less states "they feel special, like they're here for a purpose, and they have special needs and aren't always understood by others", which I earlier compared to ADD/ADHD.

Whatever the numbers, and whether there's millions of these people or only a handful, the reality is that none of these claims are actually being seriously tested, in the same way that I see people coming on to dozens of boards claiming to be vampires, lycanthropes (or whatever's currently doing the rounds in on television, cinema or in comics). Thousands and thousands of them but none of them really willing to step up to the plate and put their money where their mouths are.

IMO, and I base this on nothing (nothing I can cite or link, at least), as I stated above real "indigos" are this generation's old souls, most clearly recognized by their personality traits and not some fanciful set of "superhuman" abilities.


To put it simply, indigo is not WHO they are, or WHAT they are, it is HOW they are.

reply to post by Chilkoot

if we can't clearly define what an indigo is, or even that they exist, it would be ludicrous to claim to be one.

I was under the impression they were supposed to be members of a particular non-human soul group incarnated in human bodies. Though I don't recall which race or star system they're originally supposed to be from...and google is failing me at the moment in favor of zillions of sites full of arbitrary lists of personal traits that are supposed to be indicative of them. It really does look like a lot of soccer moms have latched on to this.

Anyway...point being, I think the "what they are" is definable, but the defining trait is one that we're not readily in a position to observe: soul group of origin.

As such, claiming to be one would not be ridiculous if one had memories of having been a member of that other race on their planet. It might be ridiculous to look through these lists of alleged qualities and claim to be one simply for having some number of those traits.

I've been reading about this New Age thing for years now and all I can summize from the description of an Indigo Child is that they're outcasts who feel superior to everyone else. Basically, they're the type of people who anyone will want to shake-up once in a while just to put them in their place.

I've seen quite a few of them when I was in High School a long time ago and they piss me off for no apparent reason. Oh. I think I know why. Maybe it's because they're not normal. They're probably emitting a throw-me-inside-the-locker signal.

Originally posted by LordBucket
reply to post by Chilkoot

 

if we can't clearly define what an indigo is, or even that they exist, it would be ludicrous to claim to be one.

I was under the impression they were supposed to be members of a particular non-human soul group incarnated in human bodies. Though I don't recall which race or star system they're originally supposed to be from...and google is failing me at the moment in favor of zillions of sites full of arbitrary lists of personal traits that are supposed to be indicative of them. It really does look like a lot of soccer moms have latched on to this.

Anyway...point being, I think the "what they are" is definable, but the defining trait is one that we're not readily in a position to observe: soul group of origin.

As such, claiming to be one would not be ridiculous if one had memories of having been a member of that other race on their planet. It might be ridiculous to look through these lists of alleged qualities and claim to be one simply for having some number of those traits.

Interesting, if you can find it I'd like to read that one.

I think I recall reading a long time ago a few pages from someone who believed that indigos were lower angels that chose to come to earth as humans at this point and time (and as humans no memories of their mission or identity) to, after whatever unstoppable disaster occurred, unwittingly be the ones to help mankind survive it and lead them into a new generation of prosperity. The "bright lights" as it were. That's the one that always stuck with me.

But what Ms. Virtue is saying absolutely does not resonate with me in the least. She has it backwards, they're not super cuddly and loving and desperately in need of attention. I don't at all believe it's some hippie love revolution waiting to happen.

edit: it just occurred to me how funny it is to refer to lower angels as "old souls", seeing as they wouldn't have one. What I mean is that those are the characteristics that they portray, those of the typical "old souls".

[edit on 11-10-2009 by Chilkoot]

Originally posted by LordBucket
reply to post by Merriman Weir

 

Until I actually see some tangible proof that 'indigo children' have some kind of special ability rather than nebulous new age psuedory then I think it's fair that I call them on it

I don't care about proof. I don't care if they call themselves indigo children, GFL, Jesus, or the flying sphagetti monster. And I don't expect any of these groups or beings to go out of their way to "prove themselves" to me or anyone else.

Less focus on giving these things names and credit, please...and more focus on getting something done.

Ok I'll give it a name "Bolony" now what exactly do you want to get done with bolony and what do you want to credit the bolony with.

You don't care about proof you say ?

Hm don't happen to be an Amway salesman do you ?

From a scientific standpoint, Indigos cannot exist simply because this phenomena cannot be measured, however, millions believe in religious tenants with no proof at all that they are real. I will say this...there are may things that cannot be measured, or even studied for scientific evidence or any sort of proof, however, I can assure you all that a Spirit World does in fact exist, as do many other dimensions of time and space. Why not let the Indigo thing lie, and talk about something else that can be measured..... that way the Indigo bashing will stop.

Originally posted by Copernicus

It doesnt matter who is indigo or not. All that matters is intention. Do you intend to do what you can to make the world better for everybody or do you intend to do nothing?

No disrespect intended but there's a saying that goes something along the lines of this: "We judge ourself by our intentions; we judge others by their actions."

Intention, without action, is nothing.

As for aura's - I'd like to believe in them but does the color of someon's aura trump their deeds?

takes one to know one.

reply to post by autowrench


Correct me if i am wrong here auto, but didn't you once claim to be an indigo? I think you started a thread about it, i could be wrong.Yep i even have the message i sent you still. Your post on this thread confuses me, are you against indigos now or am i reading it wrong?

[edit on 07/16/2009 by Lichter daraus]

reply to post by moocowman

You don't care about proof you say ?

Correct.

Proof is a mathematical concept. Attempting to apply it to real life usually leads to dissapointment.

For example, how does someone prove to you that they love you? They can't. They can only demonstrate it; "provide evidence" by saying it and acting like it. But that is not proof. It is only evidence.

To someone who believes something is true, no evidence is sufficient to "prove" to them otherwise. For someone who believs something is false, no evidence is sufficient to "prove" that it is true. It is only after belief has changed that the "evidence" is perceived as "proof."

Look at the UFO community. Look at the 9-11 truth movement. No matter how much evidence either side provides, it is never percieved as "proof." Unless someone changes their belief. Then suddenly "proof" is everywhere.


Regarding indigos, there can be no proof. That doesn't mean there isn't truth to the idea. There might be. Or there might not. I'm not in a position to know. Neither are you. But recognizing that there can be no proof, I choose to not worry about it. If somebody claims to be an indigo, ok...then might be an indigo. It's an identity. Some people choose to perceive themselves as "real men" or "educated" or "gay" or whatever. If someone told you they were gay would you immediately seek proof of it? No. What for?

I have better things to do than try to confirm or deny the validity of other peoples self-identities.


[edit on 11-10-2009 by LordBucket]

Originally posted by bowlbyville
Intention, without action, is nothing.

Wrong!

Intention, without action, is how you win a Nobel Peace Prize.

Sorry, carry on with the IndEgo discussion.

Originally posted by emosun16
There are children finding out they're Indigo Children and are confused about it, I put this up so they could find out more.

So they could find out more? What is it that they're actually finding more about? There's dozens of 'indigo children' threads on ATS already. Surely this advanced race of precocious adolescents is able to find information that's already been posted?

Besides, what could they actually learn from what's been posted by people with a pro-indigo stance? That there are others like them? How does that work? For a start, if this thread and countless others are anything to go by, there's hardly a shortage of indigo children. If this was really the case, then surely an indigo child would have met others by the time they were in their mid-to-late teens?

Also, isn't one of their special "skillz" super-fantastic empathy? What? They need to be told outright via an internet post who the other 'indigo children' are?

I hope no one is really hoping these 'indigo children' are really here to save the day as they're in for a long wait.

Originally posted by LordBucket
reply to post by moocowman

 

You don't care about proof you say ?

Correct.

Proof is a mathematical concept. Attempting to apply it to real life usually leads to dissapointment.

For example, how does someone prove to you that they love you? They can't. They can only demonstrate it; "provide evidence" by saying it and acting like it. But that is not proof. It is only evidence.

A lot of what these people are claiming is measurable though. Whether it's some kind of psi-power or fantastic amazing intelligence at 'over 9000'. Whether you define this as proof or evidence, the point is the claims are testable. However, it's funny how none of the them actually go out of their way to be tested.

reply to post by Merriman Weir


You know what? If you don't like it don't read it. I'm sick and tired of people coming into any indigo thread just to bash them. They are not better than anybody most never claim to be. Some may have egos just like a lot of ATS members do, so don't give me the ego bull%$#. If most would drop there egos just maybe they would learn and leave indigos alone or atleast quit bashin them every chance they get.

Originally posted by Lichter daraus
reply to post by Merriman Weir

 

You know what? If you don't like it don't read it. I'm sick and tired of people coming into any indigo thread just to bash them. They are not better than anybody most never claim to be. Some may have egos just like a lot of ATS members do, so don't give me the ego bull%$#. If most would drop there egos just maybe they would learn and leave indigos alone or atleast quit bashin them every chance they get.

Who's giving who "ego bull%$#"? Point to me where my ego is an issue. The main points that I've made on this thread, hardly unreasonable points, are that no one with these abilities ever puts themselves in a place were they can be (con)tested and that a lot of this can be explained by other means. That's hardly "ego bull%$#".

As far as I'm aware this a discussion board, where people debate, discuss or whatever a variety of topics. I wasn't aware it was a 'mollycoddle the indigos' board.

Why don't you take your own advice here? If you don't like my posts, don't read them!

reply to post by Merriman Weir


I was being general with the ego part. I see more crappy egos with other ATS members than i do with supposed indigos. Your right it is a board for discussion, not bashing...

PEACE!!!

Originally posted by Merriman Weir

Originally posted by prevenge
but they're not kids.

they're over the hill post menopause women with morgellons.

.......you think I'm joking....

I kind of agree with you. I've often wondered whether at least some of this is the New Age equivalent of pushy 'stage school mums', almost living vicariously through a 'my child is special' schtick. A lot of the 'indigo child' claims seem to be either the result of too much attention or not enough attention; some times the polar opposite, if extreme enough, will produce the same results.

right... i agree. .anyone that says "hay i'm indigo" is just as lost and desperate for identity as someone who says "hay I'm GOTH!" .. buy your identity at the local whatever trift-vintage blah....
here you just buy it on the newest new age site...

but you took my post all wrong... I'm actually being completely serious.... morgellons = indigo... and the process is not without pain.



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reply to post by prevenge


That would also apply to people claiming to be anything else extraordinary and has nothing to back up there claims. But i don't know about the morgellons thing, because not all supposed indigos are women so I'm not to sure where your going with that.

If i have multiple personality disorder can i be multiple indigos?

Indigo Children have supposedly been around for 30+ years now. I suppose that mean that if they exist, then some of them are now adults and are already contributing to society.

So, where are they? Can someone point out an indigo adult to me? If they have the skills to change the world, I suppose they would be in positions of relative prominence.