I'm Getting the Vaccine - Tonight.

Originally posted by Sharrow
You're one of them. Yesterday I haven't clearly understood your "I'm going to get it, I'm going to get it." approach, because from your posts I see you're intelligent and only dumb people are taking this thing. Some are even told me to try to convince you about the opposite, but I refused because the little voice in my mind said: something is not right with this guy. Now I do know what is wrong with you.

What? I'm not boasting if that's what you think. My purpose is to keep ATS posted on what a real live actual person experiences with the vaccine.

Only the stupid people don't know that. That's what you're intending to use this against the ATSers. Personal connection, a little betray by telling false experience.

Are you saying people on ATS are stupid and gullible? I don't think they would appreciate that. I have found some very intelligent and compelling folks on here who are truly dedicated to the theme "Deny Ignorance".

You're doing this since the beginning. Take the shot, take the shot, just you're writing and telling some nice surrounding, background story to not grab the suspicion of anyone. Such as you're taking the shot, but your fellow co-workers are don't and hesitating, presenting them as they're stupid and you made the only right decision. It's clear psychology; reverse psychology what I used to use all the time.

I'm offended by lies and I don't like when someone is trying to convince people about something what about many knows it's dangerous. If it's offending you, be it. I'm intending to save lives, instead of taking them away.

A - I told no one to take the shot.

B - I didn't take a 'shot'. It was the intranasal LAIV vaccine.

C - You used to use reverse psychology all the time, but you aren't now? Or you are now by suggesting that I am using reverse psychology to control people?

D - I've told no lies, and I certainly haven't disparaged you. I cannot help what you feel. Offense is a subjective emotion. One person cannot "Offend" another person if that person refuses to be offended.

E - What lives are you saving? Who has died? Not one single human being has died from receiving the H1N1 vaccine. Thousands have died who did not receive the vaccine.

Using your reasoning it would logically follow that since you are telling people NOT to get the vaccine, and thousands who haven't gotten the vaccine have died, that you are actually wanting to end lives and not save them.

I'm not here to save anyone. I felt a moral obligation to try and avoid becoming infected with the flu so I don't pass it along to my family and my patients.

reply to post by KyoZero


Thank you!

I'm only a couple of hours south of you on I-57 so if you hear of anyone turning into a flesh-eating zombie from the swine flu vaccine in Champaign be sure to warn ATS!

:-)

reply to post by emsed1


OK, you're on!!

reply to post by emsed1
I told you, you're not stupid (You know history very well.). You're well educated (Well above average). And well educated people are not falling into the vaccine story. That's where you failed.

Even though I voluntarily took the vaccine, if there were a Federal mandate issued I would be the first person raising hell over it. No government has the right to tell you what to do with your body.

Of course not. Yet you went to the first line. I'm not buying it. Also you have a child, but you're not giving it to him. Parents are all the same. If they fear their life, they fear the life of the children too (Even much better then their own). If they're willing to take the shot, they're giving the shot to the child too at the very same time. Psychology again. Actually this is where you failed for the first time.

I usually get a flu shot but I have a crappy immune system.

This was your second mistake, because people with crappy immune system are not going to weak their system further, especially not someone who is reading a lot about medicines or even working there. You're a paramedic as you stated. And as you presented above, you're not stupid. So I bet you know clearly what Vitamins A to D are really for.

I can say one thing for sure -- I definitely like the intranasal mist a lot better than an injection! & As for untested - The H1N1 LAIV vaccine has been given to thousands of patients over the last several months. No reports of adverse effects yet, except for the occasional allergic reaction.

It's a hidden advertisement. Telling the people to get the intranasal, because it's better then the injections by your opinion. Yet only the intranasal is containing the LIVE H1N1 virus, while the injection don't. The best advertisement is giving trust to the people, trying to share something with them to give them enough bravery to take it. You don't have to say directly, take it, take it. You just have to say some nice words about it, shepherding them and voila, some are already convinced.

I'm choosing to get it. & I am still not ready to give this vaccine to my children until further research has happened.

And this was your greatest mistake. You have a crappy immune system, yet you're volunteering for a vaccine WHILE you clearly know it wasn't researched well. So tell me. Are you simply suicidal or you simply a debunked disinfo agent? As my senses rarely cheated me and the upper mentioned things are well connecting together... I guess I'm not mistaken.

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Finally a little update.

I worked 12 hours today but I only got about 3 hours of sleep last night. It's been 21 hours since the vaccination. I have a mild headache but due to the nature of my job I have eaten junk food and caffeine all day.

No more nasal congestion or other symptoms.

Some of the other crews today had some nasty flu calls but my calls were fairly non-urgent.

The emergency room had seen four H1N1 cases today, which is pretty high for our town.

My plan for tonight is to hydrate, eat a nutritious meal and get plenty of rest because tomorrow is a rare Sunday. My wife and kids are away for the weekend visiting relatives and I have the house to myself! Hello NASCAR!

If I don't live to see the end of the Chase somebody please call Tony Stewart and tell him that I am very proud of him. Also give Mark Martin a call and congratulate him for me if he wins.

I don't think H1N1 will kill me, but if pretty boy Jimmy Johnson pulls another championship out of his smarmy little peach-fuzz-make-believe five o clock shadow... well my heart probably couldn't take it!

reply to post by emsed1

Then you're giving us updates... telling us what you not feel...

No more nasal congestion or other symptoms.

And your final mistake is coming here, if you're failing... presenting the fear also in a little hidden message.

Some of the other crews today had some nasty flu calls but my calls were fairly non-urgent. The emergency room had seen four H1N1 cases today, which is pretty high for our town.

Translation: It's here! It's here! It's already pretty high for our town!

So tell your bosses you failed here at ATS.

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reply to post by Sharrow


In my opinion this thread will go one of two ways.

Either:

A) I will suffer a serious side effect or adverse reaction (or die) and ATS will have the scoop of the century for a verifiable insidious swine flu bioweapon plot. (I can already hear Alex Jones starting to pant heavily.)

or

B) Everything will be fine. I won't get swine flu and people reading this thread can have at least one verifiable first-hand experience to help them make an informed decision about their own choice.

reply to post by emsed1
Or C. You haven't took the vaccine at all and telling others what may lower and dissolve their fears, convince them to take it and not you're going to feel the side effects, but other ATS members. I bet on this one.

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reply to post by emsed1


We already know that B) is the foregone outcome because you were given a special version of the vaccine for pharma-government shills that protects you for when they release the final strain. C'mon, you think we're that dumb around here? The evil plot has been exposed! Your defensiveness in the matter is absolute and irrefutable proof that you are paid by the TPTB to deceive us into taking their poisonous concoctions!

Me? I'm sticking to vitamins, which will of course be outlawed under your Codex Alimentarius. I guess there's no escape. Have fun with all your NWO friends!

Why would it help anyone make the choice if (like you said) you haven't had the vaccine that everyone else will have to take?

Originally posted by CriticalThinking
Why would it help anyone make the choice if (like you said) you haven't had the vaccine that everyone else will have to take?

No one in the United States will be 'forced' to take the vaccine. Some states are mandating healthcare workers take it to remain employed but the choice is still up to the individual.

The intranasal vaccine will remain available as a choice for whomever wants it. Since it has only been clinically tested on people under the age of 49 the CDC cannot make a recommendation on whether those over 49 should get it or the injection.

Perhaps it was a fault of my own logic for assuming that people would choose one way or another. The vast majority of the population in this country stumble through life blind to the possibilities. Most of us don't "choose" anything unless we are forced to make a choice.

I would strongly urge anyone who has the least bit of uneasiness about the vaccine itself to not get it. Listen to your mind and your heart.

For me, as I said before, it's simply a matter of a little discomfort in exchange for a 96% chance of never getting H1N1 flu versus a week of miserable flu symptoms and the possibility of giving it to my family or patients.

That's it.

Oh... and also I am an attention whore.

reply to post by emsed1

I would strongly urge anyone who has the least bit of uneasiness about the vaccine itself to not get it. Listen to your mind and your heart.

I'm just doing it, when I say, I'm not going to take it. And I also listen to my mind and my heart when I suggest the same to others.

For me, as I said before, it's simply a matter of a little discomfort in exchange for a 96% chance of never getting H1N1 flu versus a week of miserable flu symptoms and the possibility of giving it to my family or patients.

And without the vaccine there is 100% you're never getting this flu. Don't be this desperate please. You failed. You're not going to convince anyone here. Please accept that.

BTW. You have a nice new Avatar. I told you the last "Come and take it." wasn't the best choice.

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Originally posted by ruggedtoast
I wont be taking the vaccine, nor will I be giving it to my kid, basically because I think the hysteria surrounding this issue is absurd.

The only hysteria you'll face is that of your own as you hold your dead child in your arms.. wondering why you listened to wildly hysterical conspiracy websites on the intertubes instead of listening to skilled health care professionals and scientists..

It cracks me up though.. these 'dangerous compounds' in the vaccine can't hold a candle to what your body ingests from skin lotion, scented shampoos, tap water, coke zero and splenda. People here will happily expose themselves to things 200x worse than vaccine ingredients and not care whatsoever! It's just laughable.

reply to post by reasonable
You know there is one problem. Conspiracy websites are seeking the truth, health experts are seeking money and profit. So, you may guess one where I'll try to find the truth and whose intention is to create lies. Not the truth seekers's intention, that's a guarantee. And who is intending to lie for profit? Guess one. Also even many health experts throughout the world, whose are taking YOUR life ahead of profit are warned us many times to don't take it, only the MSM tried to silence them.

Although if it's that safe... why none of the Senate members or the President himself taken the vaccine at all? You know, strange, but when the President brakes his finger nail, or kills a fly we get a 30 minutes long news about it. So why we not hear about it in the news? Why we don't have a news about "President Obama got his flu vaccine"? Because they don't take it either. None of them.

P.S.: If there are few disinfo agents whose are reading this post and after this post tomorrow we're going to see the following headline: "The President and the Senate members got their flu vaccines", we'll be able to prove you're lying. So don't even try or dare to use this trick, because that will be the next nail in your coffin.

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Originally posted by Sharrow
reply to post by reasonable

 

You know there is one problem. Conspiracy websites are seeking the truth, health experts are seeking money and profit.

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Uhhh.. several conspiracy websites are in the top 5,000... you really do have no idea the billion dollar industry that is "conspiracy". But you go ahead and live in your little fantasy land if it makes you feel better. Everyone in conspiracy land is here to help us with their sites and products, their 20k US a month incomes are all donated to charity and the pursuit of truth I'm sure.

reply to post by reasonable
I know that. But at the moment there is no real business in Conspiracy regarding to H1N1, only at the other side. There are business in other matters, yes, definitely, just as you written... such as 911, UFOs, other mythical things. But this time conspirators are also intending to save lives and as you can see this time civilians are also with us, even those ones whose are hating conspiracies. And that's a huge difference, maybe for the very first time.

Originally posted by Sharrow
reply to post by reasonable

 

I know that. But at the moment there is no real business in Conspiracy regarding to H1N1, only at the other side. There are business in other matters, yes, definitely, just as you written... such as 911, UFOs, other mythical things. But this time conspirators are also intending to save lives and as you can see this time civilians are also with us, even those ones whose are hating conspiracies. And that's a huge difference, maybe for the very first time.

Discussion of h1n1 has generated 100's of millions of hits on conspiracy sites, hits are good for biz. Anyway.. suit yourself, but all I can see is "anti-vax" hysteria. Any vaccine has risks. I am by no means pro-vaccine but if the odds show 50% will die from a virus and 90% who take the vaccine will survive then I'll play the odds. These odds are yet to be established so I am holding off.. People here really do believe that this vaccination is a depopulation system to kill millions. It's unreal. I know several in the health sector as well as bio chemists, these are good people. There is nothing sinister here.. but in hollywood "sex sells", in conspiracy land "fear sells" so do the math..

reply to post by reasonable
Okay. It's an anti-vaccine hysteria. But please check my new thread, before you say anything. We have the second known victim and the first official.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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Originally posted by emsed1
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I want to be clear because this discussion is digressing way off the intended purpose.

1 - Hundreds of thousands of people have already received the H1N1 vaccine around the world.

2 - Adverse effects reported have all been mild and on the order of 1/10% of vaccine recipients.
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Obviously you are still unwilling to even read any information that contradicts your "belief"....

First of all, yes, there are doctors and nurses who accept the word from the CDC and say the vaccines are safe, but there are several who say the oposite "once they have done their research by themselves, and don't only trust the word from the CDC without doing any research."

As for your claim that there haven't been any bad side effects from the vaccines, here is an example to what is happeing to children for taking tamiflu, which is taken orally.

Here is a summary of some of the side-effects that they have found so far as stated in the article.

A total of 103 children took part in the London study, of which 85 were given the drug as a precaution after a classmate received a diagnosis of swine flu. Of those, 45 experienced one or more side-effects. The most common was nausea (29 per cent), followed by stomach pain or cramps (20 per cent) and problems sleeping (12 per cent). Almost one in five had a “neuropsychiatric side-effect”, such as inability to think clearly, nightmares and “behaving strangely”, according to the research, published in Eurosurveillance, a journal of disease.

www.timesonline.co.uk...

So 1 in 5 children were behaving strangely, an inability to think clearly and had even nightmares...

It almost sounds like the reactions for some children are like taking a hallucigenic drug.

Apart from that there is the fact that MANY doctors, and nurses have been protesting, and they don't want to take the vaccines, so i have to wonder exactly what you want to accomplish with this thread.

Are we to believe you, we don't even know who you are, and we have no proof of who you are, or do we believe the nformation hich we can corroborate, and believe the thousands of doctors and nurses who say these vacinnes are not safe?.....

Well, that's a tough one right?.... Not really... I'll believe the information that I can corroborate, and not the claims of someone whose first post was to belittle the people who want to exercise their RIGHT TO CHOOSE when many doctors, and nurses state these vaccines re not safe....



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Originally posted by emsed1
reply to post by kneverr

 

A) I don't understand how you can understand my intent better than I can.

B) It is impossible to become infected, or transmit, H1N1 Influenza solely from taking the vaccine.

C) Rense is nonsense. There are about 4 billion threads debunking Rense on ATS.

Strange, you now profess to be more intelligent or know more than the CDC? Either that, or you are leaving blatantly misleading statement on "B", and that would be in very poor taste.

Rense.com may be nonsense, I only said to visit the link for an interesting read on the subject... but let us get back to the official facts I left in my last post or would you now like to spin the issue?

Your "B" statement is not supported by accredited science professionals that have weight against those in the CDC.

Just because you want to believe you are not infected, does not mean it is true friend, sorry for the wake-up call.
I know, it must be frightening to realize that you could be a Typhoid Mary and hurt, permanently injure or even kill one of the people you supposed to be helping.

...and let us not forget what you admitted, which compounds the issue:

Originally posted by emsed1
I have a crappy immune system.

But please forgive me, If you have proof that the CDC is wrong, by all means present your official proof; until then, please do not mislead people here.

In case you missed this in my first op:
CDC
Person-to-Person Transmission of Vaccine Viruses

"Because LAIV contains live influenza viruses, a potential exists for transmission of these viruses from vaccinees to other persons. Vaccinated immunocompetent children can shed vaccine viruses for 1 virus strain, with a mean of 7.6 days duration (17). One influenza type B isolate was recovered from a placebo recipient and was confirmed to be vaccine-type virus. The estimated probability of acquiring vaccine virus after close contact with a single LAIV recipient was 0.58%--2.4%. The type B isolate retained the cold-adapted, temperature-sensitive, attenuated phenotype, and it possessed the same genetic sequence as a virus shed from a vaccine recipient in the same children's play group."

"use of inactivated influenza vaccine is preferred for vaccinating household members, health-care workers, and others who have close contact with immunosuppressed persons because of the theoretical risk that a live, attenuated vaccine virus could be transmitted to the immunosuppressed person and cause disease"
(www.cdc.gov...)

Until you prove you are not a threat to those you suppose to be helping; I stand by what I said:
"...this admission (that you have a "crappy" immune system), compiled with how you are now infected with the LAIV vaccine and that you are a Paramedic who deals constantly with a multitude of sick & injured people, makes it exponentially more probable that you may very well shed your infection to the immunosuppressed public you suppose to be helping.... if you truly care about helping & your oath, you should now take a month off. "

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