Two die at US spiritual retreat

reply to post by D.E.M.


Pseudo-Spiritualism gone mad.

This is built by people moving away from organised religion, but not trusting themselves or their own thoughts and emotions enough to do without the external control.

They still need someone to tell them how to be spiritual.

And it is very sad and pathetic to see.

But, a few less idiots in the world = good for the rest of us!

Natural selection.

Originally posted by dragonsmusic
reply to post by wdkirk

 

if only elvis had routinely participated in routine digestive tract cleansing he would not have died embarassingly fat, a pawn to his controllers, and all while sh@#$ing on the pot. (well he still would have been a pawn, but he would have been a skinny and healthy pawn, and possibly saved his own name from becoming a metaphor for someone with huge potential but that ultimately self destructs in the end) elvis met his end because he had problems with his end

...how dare you tarnish the king of rock and roll's name on a public forum....I will give you a good solid kick in the rear with my blue suede shoes !!!!

I don't about the rest of you my friends, but I'm not going on any retreat that promised to cleanse the colons of the attendees. That just doesn't seem like something I'm going to willingly attend.

Yucky.

Originally posted by Asktheanimals
Story is they got confused and used the hot rocks from the sweat bath and appplied them for the colon cleansing. Unfortuantely, the dolphin consciousness simply could spray enough water to save those poor as$$$$$s.

It kills me that people have that kind of money to waste while others are being kicked out of their homes after being laid off. I hope I dont sound overly sympathetic here.

Yeah, you better slow down and be careful.

You wouldn't want to accidentaly have some compassion for your fellow man, now would you?

reply to post by wdkirk


ok, man , you do that. do it while you're busy channeling the king, man. do it while you cleanse your colon and eat peanut butter and bananas.like that picture? you kicking me in the butt while you channel elvis, cleanse your colon, and eat peanut butter and banana sandwiches?
i was observing the reality of what elvis experienced. how he ended up. only writing the truth mate. just a messenger. didn't you just write those words about not shooting the messenger, ? it's ironic regardless of the fact that you were being retarded when you wrote it.

Originally posted by D.E.M.


And people wonder why these things get looked at wierdly. Seriously, if you are crazed enough to pay up to $10,000 to put your life in the hands of someone who will "Harness the spirit of a Dolphin" to heal you, aren't you getting what you deserve if you die in the process?

It's harsh, but Natural Selection and Darwinism don't really care about feelings. If you are this dumb, you are going to die.

news.bbc.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)

I find this statement semi offensive and in opposition to this site's motto, Deny Ignorance. Sweat lodges have nothing to do with harnessing the spirit of any dolphin, and death isn't something remotely common in TRUE sweat ceremonies. Perhaps the ones in Sedona do as they are full of gringos trying to rip people off. I have been to sweat lodges all over arizona and Ive never heard of a single one charging money. Groceries or some other compensation yes, but never thousands of dollars. I've been through 4 hour long sweats after fasting and the thing is you just don't die because of the sweat itself. There have to be other factors involved.

These things get looked at weirdly because people are ignorant of the ceremony itself. Science proves that your body rids itself of toxins through sweat. This ceremony is one of the most profound and powerful I have ever experienced. The goal is to pray for others the whole time and if you do, that two, three, and four hours go by like minutes. And the heat, which can get extreme, is nonexistent if you are truly praying for other people. Truly an example of mind over matter.

Please do some research on things before you insert funny comments and remarks in a cheap attempt to get stars

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Originally posted by detachedindividual
reply to post by D.E.M.

 

Pseudo-Spiritualism gone mad.

This is built by people moving away from organised religion, but not trusting themselves or their own thoughts and emotions enough to do without the external control.

They still need someone to tell them how to be spiritual.

And it is very sad and pathetic to see.

But, a few less idiots in the world = good for the rest of us!

Natural selection.

I would agree that Sedona is full of both pseudo-spiritualism as you call it, as well as true spirituality. Who are you to judge what anybody does without any first hand experience. Its easy to laugh and write off others but what about looking inward to your own faults instead of criticizing others in their attempt to find whatever it is they're looking for?

If nobody in this thread has experienced a TRUE sweat ceremony your opinion on them is invalid and based on the mis and disinformation you have come across in your life.

As a person who has participated in several hundred sweat ceremonies I can speak from experience that they are one of the best things for a person in need of a cleansing of the soul. I however do not recommend going to Sedona but rather finding an established and well known lodge on a reservation run by people who are familiar with this ancient tradition.

Who knows what really went down there in Sedona, that is yet to be determined, but I know there is both good and shady stuff that goes on out there and it's hard to discern which is which. A lot of ancient ways have been perverted in the name of money and it is truly sad to see something so beautiful used for greed, which is in discord with the true meaning of this ceremony.

Originally posted by RoofMonkey
I'm guessing that they used the wrong rocks.

If I remember correctly... certain rocks.. when heated really hot, emit carbon monoxide when doused with water.

It was in a plot of Columbo™ from years ago. I think it's rocks containing calcium carbonate... such as limestone or marble.


And carbon monoxide tends to accumulate in your body when you inhale it... see, it bonds to the hemoglobin more strongly than oxygen, and takes a while to leave your system. So in essence, your cells wind up suffocating.



[edit on 9-10-2009 by RoofMonkey]

certainly possible in Sedona...we knew a few hippie white guys who were brought into the rez to participate in these ceremonies. After they had attained some kind of ''status'' they began to attempt to run their own lodges on the rez and started adding their own weird practices to the ceremony. Like using rocks that sparked and glowed, funny looking rattles and charging money for the sweat. Needless to say when the elders found out, they got the boot and moved to Sedona and started their business.

The correct rocks used are lava rocks that can be found in the mountain regions all over arizona and the central united states...but one who doesn't have the experience in these ceremonies could certainly use the wrong rocks...I wouldn't put it past the swindlers..

Well... according to the "news", tests for carbon monoxide came up negative.

BTFOOM.


Meanwhile... despite "logic", I'm sticking with the rock theory.

[edit on 10-10-2009 by RoofMonkey]

You can also heal your inner self through the spirit of a dung beetle... probably. It still sounds funny though, especially when someone pays 10k dollars for it as well.

My friend got his damaged spline fixed with a simple touch from some old man, for free. But still most people pay thousands of euros for very risky medical procedures and fishy alternative treatments. Of course, he had extremely hard times finding that old man.

It is really odd that after I read this article about this tragedy, I was doing internet research on some of the "New Age" shysters that have a following here on ATS.

The native Americans have a term to describe people that perform some of their traditional practices and charge people.

It is called Plastic Shaman

Plastic shamans are also believed to be dangerous because they give people false ideas about traditional spirituality and ceremonies. For example, people have been injured, and some have died, in fraudulent sweat lodge ceremonies.

This article is from 7 years ago.

2 die seeking spiritual enlightment in sweat lodge.

Four years ago in the land of Oz.

A 37-year-old Caucasian male died of dehydration and heat exposure following a sweat lodge ceremony in outback Australia.

Dehydration and heat related death:Sweat lodge Syndrome



[edit on 10-10-2009 by calcoastseeker]

reply to post by calcoastseeker


seeker, plastic shaman. that's really cool. pointing out what it is i mean. (plastic shamans are not cool

those two words and the meaning behind them hold amazing song title potential i think. a song about plastic shamans. yes. synchronicity resonates on this thread. when the plastic shamans song by kevin carini hits the airwaves and , hopefully, climbs the billboard charts, remember this thread.

Originally posted by dragonsmusic
reply to post by wdkirk

 

ok, man , you do that. do it while you're busy channeling the king, man. do it while you cleanse your colon and eat peanut butter and bananas.like that picture? you kicking me in the butt while you channel elvis, cleanse your colon, and eat peanut butter and banana sandwiches?
i was observing the reality of what elvis experienced. how he ended up. only writing the truth mate. just a messenger. didn't you just write those words about not shooting the messenger, ? it's ironic regardless of the fact that you were being retarded when you wrote it.

No offense was intended to you or the King. My comments, even the blue suede shoe one, were for entertainment only and not a slight to you or the king. Sorry you took it that way.

Originally posted by Retseh
The BBC is reporting this ??!!!???

Two accidental deaths at an obscure US resort makes national British news??

Are those people obsessed with us or what.

No the BBC actually has news on it as opposed to American Media Outlets....

The sweat Tent is the single Most Effective cure for more diseases and betterment of health than ANYTHING I have ever encountered.

I just went through 2 weeks of H1N1 with accompanying infections I believe were bacterial in nature... I did every holistic trick I knew... finally caved in and got Penicillin and traditional meds...

NOTHING...useless all of it.

ONE DAY of a Dry Sauna 100% relief...


These people and the people who ran this place were IDIOTS... PERIOD

Too stupid to walk out of the tent, no one monitoring their health, terrible construction methods.... Zero Common sense for all

IF a mechanic does a faulty brake job it doesn't mean Brake Jobs are BAD lol, just the Mechanic...

You don't sit at 180 degrees without ventilation or breaks or at least a medicine woman present to look for signs of heat stroke... This is a Tour De Force of imbeciles at work Yes...

But has nothing to do with the practice... a practice I choose personally hands down over any other vs or of use in curing almost any disease or toxic condition

"What are you, the dolphin princess?" only on ATS!

Anyway, live and let live. If these people have the money to mentally turn into a dolphin or whatever the heck - let them. Stimulates the economy, right?