Michel Moore gets destroyed in a debate about capitalism

Its good to see this. Its too bad our media joined Moore in attacking capitalism, instead of being critical of his message. Its another clue that Democrats and our media really do want socialism, or something close to it. These people know many of us will fight it, so they try to make it more acceptable to people over time with propaganda like Moore's video.

Regardless of politics, I'd hate this guy anyways. He's just a slimeball who makes millions off of his "movies" and lives the very life that he insults and preaches against.

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Can you say Hypocrite?

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I am at work and cant watch this.
Is this when he was on Hannity?
If so, the best was when Hannity said he goes to church every Sunday. Moore asked if he went this past sunday, Hannity said he did. Moore asked what the Sermon was about and Hannity did not know, then I think he said he did not go to church that Sunday, but that Saturday night.

Both are clowns.

Originally posted by DocEmrick
Regardless of politics, I'd hate this guy anyways. He's just a slimeball who makes millions off of his "movies" and lives the very life that he insults and preaches against.

too right, we have too many of those in truth movement since william coopers demise.

The geezer never came of as smart in any of his movies, just saying sly things about people, makes him appeal to the two faced crowd.

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I am at work and cant watch this.
Is this when he was on Hannity?

No, its from a college Q&A. The student basically exposes Moore's hypocrisy in wanting more government control and power over people. He points out that the problem is "corporatism" and not capitalism. He made the awesome point that giving the government more power inst the answer. To the point where Moore's accomplice jumps in to tries and save him. It was too late though, Moore had already exposed that he a shill for big government and socialism.


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Hmmm - its kind of ironic that he would make the film.

With a net worth of around $25mil it would seem that capitalism has worked out pretty well for him..

Michael Moore’s Net Worth: $25 million

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So, he's worth 25 million.... so what? He earned that, and more power to him. It's not like he got a 25 million bonus for running a company into the ground. 25 million is small beans in todays world. He provides a product, and people have a choice if they see that product or not.

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I believed you missed the post concerning Moore's hypocrisy.

He himself is a hypocrite capitalist. A transparent one at that.

Just wondering how you can actually distinguish corporations from capitalism when it is the liberal philosophy of the market that allows corporations to be private owners of capital, just on such a massive scale. To regulate corporations to avoid corporatism is not capitalism. Corporatism and the abused attributed to the largesse we observe from groups( CEO payouts, funding political parties and lobbyists and governmental concentration and monopoly of markets etc. etc. organisation of groups that leads to the sociological corporatism) are a direct result of the capitalist structure that see all profit from capital ventures going directly to owners and investors to do with as they like. That is Capitalism. The only way to stop doing this is regulation. That is not capitalism.

So, while the student has a point, it is merely trying to blame individuals, and their actions whilst trying to exclude the philosophy that inspires them. Maybe he should have included the term state corporatism?

Has anyone seen the movie. Perhaps it starts out discussing capitalism and how it all goes wrong! Perhaps Corporatism gets a mention!

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We are all hypocrite capitalists. I have a small business myself, I am capitalist, I recognize that there is a point where capitalism breaks down, and becomes a system as abusive as communism. When a company gets so large that it cannot be allowed to fail, that company has gotten too large, and should be broken up. As it is, the United States, and probably the whole world, is being held hostage by obscenely large corporate interests that serve nobody but the corporate executives. That is not capitalism, it is feudalism in a thin veneer that is sold as capitalism.

i actually think this guy is smart, we can't do much about it so why not join them, hey he found a way to make a quick buck and he went and put this idea to make some movies about how crappy our government is. Too bad i didnt think of it first.

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NEWS FLASH: Capitalism allowed Michael Moore to earn $25M dollars! DOH! If the country were Socialist, which this idiot is seen advocating, he wouldn't be permitted to make the kind of money he has made. So, what we have here is called HYPOCRISY. Yes, Michael Moore is a hypocrite - oh, and a moron!

Originally posted by SpacePunk
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We are all hypocrite capitalists. I have a small business myself, I am capitalist, I recognize that there is a point where capitalism breaks down, and becomes a system as abusive as communism. When a company gets so large that it cannot be allowed to fail, that company has gotten too large, and should be broken up. As it is, the United States, and probably the whole world, is being held hostage by obscenely large corporate interests that serve nobody but the corporate executives. That is not capitalism, it is feudalism in a thin veneer that is sold as capitalism.

No, that is called CORPORATISM! Which is exactly the point of the young man in the video above. Capitalism is an even playing field that allows everyone to compete freely. If the government had enforced anti-trust laws and destroyed monopolies as required under Capitalism, the corporatism would not have evolved. You're on the right track here - you just aren't understanding the definitions of these different systems very well and are therefore misappropriating the vernacular.

He talks about the ratio of what CEO's make compared to the workers, I wonder how much his camera man made compared to his profits

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I really don't think he got destroyed by this little college punk who absolutely has no concept of the way things are really run or even what the he** Michela Moore is saying in his movie. I have seen his movies and know he is against the corporations and I am sure that is really the message in this movie, about how capatilism has not truly been a "Free market" For at least the past 20 years. He is not a stupid man. And Those of you who say he's advocating socialism, Where in he H*** does he ever say that???? You are putting words in his mouth. He's about fairness but of course, if you're about fairnes, you must be a socialist, Right? Some of the stupidity I see here makes me see why we're clearly heading down the toilet as a country.

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Michael Moore loves that word "Democracy"

He's so blind that he doesn't even know what the American form of Government really is.

I don't think he was "destroyed" but he showed is "democrazy" side.

He couldn't answer the question properly so he went off on a long rant that had little to do with the question.

I don't see how the video supports the premise that Michael Moore was "destroyed".

What I saw in the video was a rational discussion and explanation by Michael Moore.

In fact, this was one of the first times I've actually looked at what he was saying, and I found myself in fair agreement with him!

In the context of the video, how was Michael Moore's position destroyed, specifically?

I'm just asking, because if the intent of this post was to discredit Michael Moore, the post had a strangely opposite effect on me (which might have been the hidden intent of this post from the start?)

Please give some bullet points. Right now I am favoring Moore's position, based upon the video's content, but am still developing my opinions regarding this particular debate.

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I really can't stand Micheal Moore, my favorite clip of him is Alex Jones harassing him from outside Maui Tacos while Moore is inside stuffing his ugly face.

The problem we have today is government collusion with corporations. It's not capitalism, where anyone could make a business and the government would stay out of it. The government is the corporations and it is hard to see any difference. Government becomes indebted to these corporations and therefore can not act in the nation's best interest and has to act to help support the corporation despite the fact that their criminal CEOs and leaders have run it into the ground.

France huh?

Did you know in France if you wanted to start your own business, art gallery, bakery, business services you are not allowed....People leave the country so they can start there own business.