Iran to 'blow up heart' of Israel if attacked

Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
reply to post by rugbyguitargod

 

You ARE NOT DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION! The War on Terror has F'ALL to do with the Constitution. If you want to protect the Constitution!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love how the average grunt hides behind the golden parachute of "protecting the Constitution".

OH and as far as not doing anything except ranting and raving on a public forum..........#1 you don't know me personally regarding what I have or haven't done, how I vote, who I voted for, or where my money goes. Short of taking up arms and start killing politicians and government officials my biggest power lies in my vote and my wallet.

#2 You are on the same public forum I am buddy.

The troops have lost their justification. And when I say troops I mean EVERYONE all the way up to the corrupt military brass chucking orders down to all you lackeys. In fact the top military brass are probably more corrupt than the top government officials.

You sound like a bitter disenfranchised soldier trying to cling to any last desperate reason to stick up for your duty and the "cause". Sorry but just like your citizenry you were sold a bill of goods like all of us. Your government lied to you like they lied to us. You're not different just because you picked up a rifle and killed some terrorists in the name of "freedom" or "democracy". The difference between you and I is the same people that lied to you are the same ones responsible for cashing your check at the end of the month.

[edit on 10-10-2009 by Zosynspiracy]

i enlisted prior to 9/11. i didn't join to go lay waste to a foreign middle-eastern country. granted, it is what i am trained to do and do well but i digress. so i guess im still corrupt and an evil villain then, huh? ill definitely lose sleep at night wondering about that you have no idea how many tribes/villages i have helped in afghanistan. you can call humanitarian operations 'propaganda' or whatever all you want, i know that i genuinely helped out a people who were in need even if it was only a handful of villagers. to them, we made a huge improvement over their previous living conditions (which was the Taliban coming into their village once a month and taking 20 males ranging from 15-45. if they did not cooperate, they would kill 40 males). the war in Afghanistan may be unwarranted, but i know for a fact i have personally made a difference to someone, even if only a few. maybe ill start a thread about the benefits of 'unconventional warfare' and see how many flames i get.

''De Opresso Liber'' translated, means:
Free The Opressed

maybe you should 'research' that and tell me what you find...

i enlisted prior to 9/11. i didn't join to go lay waste to a foreign middle-eastern country. granted, it is what i am trained to do and do well but i digress. so i guess im still corrupt and an evil villain then, huh? ill definitely lose sleep at night wondering about that

you have no idea how many tribes/villages i have helped in afghanistan. you can call humanitarian operations 'propaganda' or whatever all you want, i know that i genuinely helped out a people who were in need even if it was only a handful of villagers. to them, we made a huge improvement over their previous living conditions (which was the Taliban coming into their village once a month and taking 20 males ranging from 15-45. if they did not cooperate, they would kill 40 males). the war in Afghanistan may be unwarranted, but i know for a fact i have personally made a difference to someone, even if only a few. maybe ill start a thread about the benefits of 'unconventional warfare' and see how many flames i get.

''De Opresso Liber'' translated, means:
Free The Opressed

maybe you should 'research' that and tell me what you find...

Thanks for your work over there. My generation saw the faces of the children and the effect of our assistance one-by-one, also. Our soldiers should be proud of their promotion of freedom. Of course, your efforts should not be in vain, therefore we must all commit to a full completion of the mission to stabilize Afghanistan and prevent its use as a stronghold and training ground for terrorism.

The difficulty in establishing an outpost for freedom in Afghanistan is much like the problem we faced in Vietnam. The citizens of that country must take the baton, establish peace, and maintain high moral standards. Our country tends to throw money at the problem. Money corrupts. I shudder to think what our country would be like today if George Washington and the lot of them were doing it for the money they were receiving from a foreign nation. Freedom: you've got to want it bad enough to die for it. Democracy: you've got to want it bad enough to align your mind and morals with the higher good.

Originally posted by Strype
This entire butchered thread just to explain the simple concept of retaliation? "If you hit me, I'll (try to) hit you back." I guess I'm having trouble figuring out why this wasn't obvious to some of you.


Cheers,
Strype

Best post in the whole thread.
It's a simple concept if people want to see it, it's not for people who live in self-denial.

[edit on 10-10-2009 by December_Rain]

Originally posted by Sharrow
reply to post by mattpryor

 

Israelis are nervous because everyone knows they're lying. And Iran has every right to said this as not they're the ones whose are pushing for war, but they're the ones whose are willing to defend themselves.

If the Israelis are scared... well, they deserve it. I'm not going to support their war, because they have a blood lust to fulfill their fabricated prophecies.

[edit on 9-10-2009 by Sharrow]

I would like for you to explain about Israels "fabricated prophecies".
Israel doesn't want war,they are surrounded by those who want to
wipe them off the planet.
Iran has every right to defend themselves.They(Iran) keep ranting on,
lie after lie,about a lot of things.Example:denial that the holocaust ever
happened.There are people, who witnessed these atrocities,still alive
today.
In my opinion,I think Iran has,or will soon have,with the help of russia,
weapons grade plutonium.I also believe when that happens,Iran will
strike first.They won't be defending themselves,they will be the aggressors.

Originally posted by mamabeth

Originally posted by Sharrow
reply to post by mattpryor

 

Israelis are nervous because everyone knows they're lying. And Iran has every right to said this as not they're the ones whose are pushing for war, but they're the ones whose are willing to defend themselves.

If the Israelis are scared... well, they deserve it. I'm not going to support their war, because they have a blood lust to fulfill their fabricated prophecies.

[edit on 9-10-2009 by Sharrow]

I would like for you to explain about Israels "fabricated prophecies".
Israel doesn't want war,they are surrounded by those who want to
wipe them off the planet.
Iran has every right to defend themselves.They(Iran) keep ranting on,
lie after lie,about a lot of things.Example:denial that the holocaust ever
happened.There are people, who witnessed these atrocities,still alive
today.
In my opinion,I think Iran has,or will soon have,with the help of russia,
weapons grade plutonium.I also believe when that happens,Iran will
strike first.They won't be defending themselves,they will be the aggressors.

Screw prophecy, CHECK history.
I will give you some key words "Marxist" "Bolshevik" "Zionist" "BOMBS"

Originally posted by bigyin

Originally posted by EMPIRE
It wouldn't surprise me if Israel let off a nuke and blamed it on Iran. It wouldn't surprise me if we fall for it, as we usually do, and come to their aid.

[edit on 9-10-2009 by EMPIRE]

I already postulated that possibility in another thread, and we need to watch out for that. It could even be a device set off in say USA and blamed on Iran, similar to the 911 false flag blamed on Iraq and Afghanistan, even though Bin Laden and the supposed hijackers were from Saudi Arabia.

However I do not believe either side would actually ignite nuclear tipped rockets. These things are monitored by satellite and whoever launches first would be on a suicide mission .... so for that reason it won't happen.

Its the same reason no nuclear strikes have taken place anywhere on the planet .... its called mutual destruction.

So we are left with conventional war tactics, and under those conditions Iran would beat Israel.

It is interesting that you say that because many Bible scolars say that the opposite is also true according to prophecy, this accumulates to the war of Armageddon in the middle east, which is Babylon Iraq, maybe troops from Iran and China and other nations decide to gather up, fire will come from heaven, or lets say a mishap occurs and Israel get the blame and then the world arms it self at Isreal before Jesus comes down with his saints, a time where Isreal recognise Christ as a nation and people for the first time in history.

To back this up the Koran is the direct opposite prophecy of Jesus wiping out the Jews and we know who that will be.

Originally posted by Retseh
I wonder how the world would react if we said "If there is one more Arab muslim attack on the United States we will destroy the heart of Iran."

Anyone with any decency should utterly condemn statements of this kind, it shouldn't matter what your politics are.

If it was an "Arab Muslim" attack, the attacking Iran would be like blaming all Christian attrocities on Eskimo's....

IRAN IS NOT ARABIAN.. The 9/11 attacks were (apparently) carried out by Saudi Arabians, not a single Iranian among them.

Originally posted by mattpryor
reply to post by Harlequin

 

Which country is currently protecting the Hamas leader and acts as a base for Hamas Worldwide?

What political party controls that country?

What sect of Islam does that party represent?

Wouldn't that be Syria, which is under the control of a branch of the Baa'th party, a pan-Arab and secular organisation, but if you had to ascribe a religion, most Baathists are Sunni (certainly Syria is mostly Sunni)

What was your point again?

reply to post by mattpryor


Qom was known to the IEAE well within the stipulated time limit allowed under the NPT. This is something the media doesn't tell you.

The NPT states that before any facility of the type at Qom goes live, the IAEA needs 6 months notice. Iran gave 1 years notice the IAEA and the USA knew about the facility at least 1 year ago as well.

It has been spun to be something they "kept secret", when in fact they did nothing of the sort.

reply to post by Jim Scott


LMAO! And the brainwashed Hollywood rhetoric continues. What are you going to tell me next? You're the wolf out there protecting us sheep?

9/11 killed a little over 3000 Americans. I think we've gotten our justice and revenge ten times over buddy. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

US foreign policy has ceased being about democracy and freedom and has grown into a militaristic imperialistic beast knocking over anything that stands in its way. The US military is a big bloated mess of an institution being used as pawns by the elite who could give a rat's arse about US citizens let alone the soldiers doing the dirty work.

Like this guy before you who tries to justify the tragedy and travesty of war by "helping the children". There is evil all over the world. Until that evil makes its way onto our shores (9/11 is debatable as to who was really behind it) we need to take care of our own country and our own North American continent FIRST! You go playing in a hornet's nest you're likely to get stung.

reply to post by rugbyguitargod


Where are the terrorists? Not one attack in 9 years? Where are these evil, American hating terrorists? If I hated my country it would be easy as pie for me to buy some assault weapons and bomb making material go to a mall or worse yet a school and blow up some American kids and kill a few hundred people. But NOTHING has happened since 9/11.

Oh wait wait.....I hear it now............."We are fighting them over there so we don't have to over here.........."????????????????/

reply to post by nenothtu


I think it's quite bloody clear what the IAEA are saying and you either deliberately not understanding the quote or lack the capacity to. Either way, you really look like you're out of your depth in this discussion.

Everytime I read a topic about Iran these days what make me sad is the blood lust ... LUST for blood, death and destruction without thinking for a second what that means.

Seems like my personal position of pacifism is so out of place here... sometimes sound as "evil". WTF happening??? There is something very wrong if this is the case.

Something I learned in my life: If you are fighting something be alert, be double alert, to not do the exact same thing you are fighting against.



[edit on 10/10/09 by blackcube]

reply to post by reasonable


EMP bombs you say? What is the designation for these weapons, as I've not heard of a non-nuclear EMP weapon so far. The only known EMP weapons are those which also double as Nuclear weapons.

So what you're saying is, in order to stop Iran having the ability to possibly make Nuclear weapons, Israel and the US will blanket the country in Nuclear weapons, so they can't make nuclear weapons?

Sounds a bit daft, doesn't it?

reply to post by blackcube


Because Americans are so far removed from war. They've always been. Yeah WWII affected us but so far there has NEVER been a major war fought on US soil. I'm talking in the last 100 years not the Revolutionary or Civil war. Why do you think French populace and other European countries are so anti-war. Because they know point blank what it's like to be occupied by foreign military. Ask an 80 year old Brit what it was like witnessing the bombing of London. We are lucky here in America to be so far removed from war.......but it sure as hell doesn't give us the right to wish wanton death and destruction on other people and cultures because we are so paralyzed by a fear of a threat that doesn't even really affect us.

I mean my god the US can't go one decade without major war. WTF?

reply to post by Zosynspiracy


The American ecomony benefits greatly from War and has done since WW1. Hence why you came out as top-dogs after WW2, you were the only industrialised nation on the planet not to have suffered the affects of war in your back garden.

Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by nenothtu

 

I think it's quite bloody clear what the IAEA are saying and you either deliberately not understanding the quote or lack the capacity to. Either way, you really look like you're out of your depth in this discussion.

Well then, perhaps you can "dumb it down" for me? For the life of me, I can't see how asking Iran to "pretty please" provide evidence that they're doing things they aren't supposed to is going to produce results.

On the other hand, were they to allow the required inspections, and stop stonewalling and blustering, that COULD go a long way to establish their case.

Since they don't, the conclusions are suspect.

Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by reasonable

 

EMP bombs you say? What is the designation for these weapons, as I've not heard of a non-nuclear EMP weapon so far. The only known EMP weapons are those which also double as Nuclear weapons.

So what you're saying is, in order to stop Iran having the ability to possibly make Nuclear weapons, Israel and the US will blanket the country in Nuclear weapons, so they can't make nuclear weapons?

Sounds a bit daft, doesn't it?

In the case of nuclear bursts, EMP is maximized by high-altitude detonation, which minimizes all the other nasty effects of nuclear weapons to the point of negation.

No need to "blanket a country in nuclear weapons" to get the job done, and as a matter of fact, that close a bombardment would be counter-productive, as concerns the deliver of EMP.

There are other methods of EMP delivery, but much less "cost-effective".

Originally posted by Zosynspiracy


I mean my god the US can't go one decade without major war. WTF?

1973-1991. No "major" wars with US involvement.

Or are we going to redefine "major" now, as we get to choose the timeframes we look at for wars on US soil?

reply to post by nenothtu


They do allow inspections and the IAEA have stated as much. What they referred to in that quote were the accusations being made were what need authenticating, not anything the Iranians were doing. The IAEA is crawling all over Iran and you can guarantee that if they "stonewalled" or otherwise, the IAEA would say so, but they have not.

It's clear as day if you allow yourself to read what is beign said, rather than misqouting tiny snippets of a much larger piece.

As for the EMP thing, my point still stands. Do you not see the thick irony that using Nuclear weapons to stop a country possibly, one day, maybe, having nuclear weapons? I know Americans have a hard time with irony, but this is really taking the biscuit.

reply to post by nenothtu

The last major war the US was involved in that I can recall, was WWII.

Korea was a police action.

Vietnam was a similar action.

Desert Storm was an 100-hour battle.

We fought longer on Okinawa than the invasion of Iraq. Our problems began when we wanted to "help" in the middle of a civil war.

Fewer than 300 Special Forces, TACP's, and Company branch operatives working with the Northern Alliance caused the Taliban government to fall.

Our lingering to mop up residue is highly inefficient, but there's no real war going on there.

Yep.

WWII was the last major war for the US.